Michael
A simple question………why?

Still trolling I see Richard ;)

Ah the bould Richard/Paddy/Michael/Mark
this is the man who stated that these new vacancies would be filled in a day
you are a valuable barometer on this site dick,
whatever you say the opposite is always true
keep up the good work!

Their example should be followed! Well done!!

Keith
The Nurses that treated you so “amazingly” in Beaumont Hospital are not affected by the starting salaries being offered by the HSE to recently qualified staff for a two year period.
Some seven years ago when my daughter obtained her Nursing Degree there were no jobs whatever in Irish Hospitals and if they didn’t go abroad these young people would have had a Nursing qualification without any experience which was worse than useless.
Why is it that the Hospital experience you underwent interferes with any logical thought on the subject.
Why is it that that when someone lays their hands on you in a clinical setting you get all gooey eyed and believe these staff should be paid monies that are simply not there?

Well Richard I think you’ve lost the plot here in fairness with your tangent. I believe with your bitter experience you may have misinterpreted my discourse. I’ve often come into contact with nurses professionally but never at such a personal level. I wouldn’t be surprised if you advocate for higher salaries for the apt politicians making these cuts. You’re just another faceless troll on here.

hahahahaha good on you keith!

Because at the moment nurses are in the main doing the work of two nurses each as a result of the embargo and all the early retirements that in the main were from the front line where I work. People don’t seem to get it but we are all physically and mentally exhausted as whole profession. Our salaries are now just a working wage . Yes there can be further cuts but not at ward level we have no more energy or money to give. We are still giving all that we can to our patients but exhaustion is leading to burn out that is now a very serious issue and getting worse, it’s too hard a life now even for young nurses. Most of us do thirteen hour days . Let someone who wants to see how it feels who is not a nurse come walk/run with us for a day or to really show the levels of exhaustion join is for a week and then comment on why we can’t stand over further cuts to salaries . You will need a strong bladder and be camel like in your constitution as food and water breaks will be short on the ground . Who is caring for us the carer’s . People say anyone is lucky to have job and they are but this level of exhaustion and pressure on so few shoulders is too much and it has reached tipping point. We never saw the Celtic tiger but now to solve mistakes made in the over staffing in some areas of the HSE they are coming for the shift workers and should be looking elsewhere in the HSE for salary /staff cuts.

Keith, deciding what salary to pay people isn’t “treating them with contempt”. That’s an exaggeration. It’s better that they get a job and the experience. Many “interns” are actually working for nothing to get experience. Nurses in Ireland are paid more than in the UK. btw no one denies that nursing is hard work, but the HSE is technically bust so they have to cut costs or treatments. Which do you want?

William nurses have already gained valuable experience through internships while at college completing their honours degrees. I’ve worked for the HSE in several departments. It is totally mismanaged and overmanaged with huge wastage both financial and resource based. Get rid of these overpaid incompetent beaurocratic managerial pen pushers. Get rid of admin staff who spend the day doing their nails. Stop the abuse of the sickness and maternity schemes and top level fiascos.Oh and address widespread bullying by management while they are at it.

Oh and William I worked initially ‘for nothing’ with the HSE to gain experience. Let’s just say I did the exact same job as everyone else and was well utilised by that department as free labour ;)

Oh TD’s €7.2 million annual ‘expences’ could do with a snip. Have a look at todays Journal thread on this fiddle ;)

Chris take it from someone working as a nurse for 23 years it is not a vocation it is a profession. The only people with vocations are priests and nuns.

Agree – on both comments.

Sacha the irony if it all is we nurses are on incremental pay scales so more experienced nurses get paid more but these new grads should get paid at the same starting salary we were all paid ie 100% not 80%.

Judging by the down thumbs there must be a misunderstanding here, I’m on the side of the nurses, the injection is meant for the HSE!

Try and educate yourself before making uninformed statements please William.

Nurses do NOT come out of college with no experience. They expect to make the same wage as a person who is doing the exact same job as them. What is so unreasonable about this? Would you be perfectly happy to do your job for far less than a colleague with the exact job description and daily tasks?

No experience … have u any idea about the nursing degree … more time is spent on the wards then in lectures.
From a student nurse!

Joanne you just display complete ignorance about nurses and the work they do. It is not comparable to the vast majority of graduate positions. They are not just ‘straight out of college’ they do not start on graduate positions (which are graduate positions by virtue or the fact that those in them have less responsibility, receive more training/exams/information and have their work checked and overseen by superiors).

Nurses spend a portion of every year in hospitals working, they spend the majority of their fourth year working and then once they get a job they are fully responsible for their patients and do the same work as someone who has been there years. They are not graduates and therefore should not be given a graduate salary and also unstable prospects to be made permanent once the two year ‘graduate program’ is up.

They do. They have completed significant internships over 4 years training.

honestly william look it up….
1st yr = 6 weeks clinical placement out of 24.
2nd yr = 11(3 done during summer) weeks cp out of 28.
3rd yr = 24 weeks cp , 8 weeks in lectures.
4th yr= 4 weeks cp, 8 weeks lectures, 38 week internship paid a portion of a staff nurses wage.

lots of experience dont you think??

plus all the time we are on cp we are emailed assignments to complete plus have daily journals and skills books to fill out.

Another uninformed idiotic statement.

Are you aware that being a carer is completely different to being a nurse?

If you are then why are you making the point that carers mind their loved ones for half of a nurses salary? Are you aware that saying a carer nurses their loved one does not make them a nurse?