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Pyrite: There are ‘legal and moral responsibilities’

The chairman of the pyrite panel made the comment at an Oireachtas committee meeting this afternoon.

Image: James Horan/Photocall Ireland

THE QUESTION OF whether people whose homes were damaged by pyrite could launch a class action against those responsible was discussed by the pyrite panel today.

They are discussing the issue with the Environment, Culture and the Gaeltacht committee at a meeting this afternoon

Apportioning blame

Brendan Tuohy, chairman of the panel, said that in preparing the report it engaged with 44 different groups and individuals affected by the issue.

He said the panel was not set up with a legal statute and was “not in the business of apportioning blame”.

Deputy Ciarán Lynch, who chaired the meeting, said that there was a letter from HomeBond saying it had no liability, and that “what HomeBond have done is they have taken a preferred interpretation of a court ruling and put an interpretation on that themselves and… they have walked off the pitch”.

He asked what is the level of enforcement and sanction that can be applied to stakeholders. Lynch also said that the homeowners cannot take on the financial industry or HomeBond.

Tuohy said that “there are moral and legal responsibilities” and that there are “people out here suffering” and the builders should engage with them.

He added that there are 150 houses  in the red category which “deserve to be dealt with immediately”. “We think that action should happen sooner rather than later,” said Tuohy.

We were making recommendations for the Government and ministers to follow – it’s up for them to decide.

He said that he would “much prefer to see action quickly and see the houses repaired.”

Class action

Barry Cowen TD asked it if was possible for the State to look at the legalities of taking a class action suit.

He said it is “important those at fault for using pyrite have to be made responsible”.

Tuohy said that Ireland doesn’t have the facility for a class action in law, and “I don’t think it is for us to change the law on that”.

It is an issue for the Law Reform Committee and an issue for this committee to pass on.

Tuohy said that in determining how many homes were affected, the panel did an analysis of five quarries within a 25km radius.

He said they tried to triangulate using five different sources of information and that 23 estates were identified that hadn’t previously been identified as being affected by pyrite.

Devalue

Tuohy said that people are “very slow to talk about the fact they have pyrite” in their homes as they believe it devalues their home. He said that some people “wanted work done quietly without neighbours knowing what is going on”.

“Those who caused the problem should pay for the problem is the consistent message,” said Tuohy. “We don’t think the State is particularly responsible.”

The pace at which pyrite damage occurred “really threw people,” said Tuohy.

Homeowners found it very difficult to get engagement from anybody. It took five years – or just over four years – for a minister to say I’m going to set up something.

Deputy Catherine Murphy said that “the homeowner is the victim in this case” and that some builders dragged their heels and shouldn’t benefit.

“I believe there should be a licensing of the construction department,” said Murphy. “I do think we need a full licensing system”.

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Comments (12 Comments)

  • Can’t believe homebond are getting away with it thus far…. Ridiculous

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  • You obviously have no clue about it ..

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  • Sinead 25/07/12 #

    I cried when I found out there was pyrite in my house.

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  • Rather than agree to the State assuming responsibility for this issue perhaps the Committee could consent to the State paying the legal fees for one legal case against Homebond and the Insurers of the Quarries together with the builders and while that progresses put a stay on the statute of limitations. If that case is lost against all the defendants at least we would have tried. If the case is won against one or more of the Defendants the State could compel them to pay for all the relevant home repairs.

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    • As brilliant a solution as that is HomeBond were underfunded since 2000 and have not got the funds for a massive payout (which is probably why they have dragged their heels up until now), also as much as I hate to agree with HomeBond, this was not ALL their doing, sure they left homeowners high and dry but as it stood the offers that were on the table were nowhere near the amount needed by homeowners to fix their homes. There are other parties involved and they should all pay up. The problem is also that these houses need fixing now, not in two or three years time or however long it takes for the court case and then as I said there is no guarantee of the money to fix the problem at the end. The proposal by the panel is the most sensible approach for the time being, it must to be pushed by the government as the parties involved have been allowed to drag their heels and pass the buck for far too long much to the distress of the homeowner.

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  • I’m confused as to how pyrite ever came to be used – had it ever been used anywhere before successfully as a building material??

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    • No, it has never and should never be used in construction as the crystals swell on contact with oxygen and water which causes the concrete slab to swell, hence the damage. But despite Pyrite being a mineral that is around since the dawn of time and there being previous occurrences of it used in construction in Canada, as well as the fact that the majority of houses affected are actually situated on a well known horseshoe of rock which contains high concentrations of pyrites (amongst the highest in the country) our government only heard of the existence of Pyrite in 2007. One of the recommendations in the report actually states that the government should use the internet to resource and share information about Pyrite, in this day and age…a government being advised to use the internet is laughable as is the claim that they only knew of the existence of Pyrite since 2007.

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  • And BTW the state are in no way assuming responsibility for this, if you read the report it states that in no way is the state responsible, although that is also questionable as if there was rigorous testing and inspection from the start this crisis would never have developed.

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  • Peter 24/07/12 #

    Nothing a bit of plaster or silicone couldn’t fix!

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    • Peter 24/07/12 #

      Well I’m right in a sence that you must deprive pyrite of oxygen and humidity therefore creating a airtight seal (spray polymer ) could do the trick

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    • Well that would work if you dug up ur floor slab and went through the infill with a fine tooth comb wrapping every bit of pyrite crystal in polymer, but you would also have to remove the active or or activated pyrite so why the hell would you go to all that extra trouble when the solution is to just take the whole lot out and replace it with infill that was fit for under your floor in the first place. Also re polymer…it perishes, it has a life span so it would only be effective until it started to break down and then you would be right back where you started and have to do the whole process again. BTW the oxygen and water it reacts to comes from the site under ur house, the infill is in direct contact with the ground, so if you have a particularly wet site then the pyrite will react quicker…so do you think that there is stuff you don’t know about pyrite now?

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