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Column: Cutting wages won’t fix the jobs crisis. We need a new approach.

There are 26 applicants for every job in Ireland – so it’s time to stop treating this as an economic problem to solve and instead see it as a social crisis, writes Patrick Nulty.

Patrick Nulty

ON FRIDAY, I met a man in Huntstown in Dublin 15 working on a CE scheme. He had previously worked in construction and had just said goodbye to his son – a carpenter – who had emigrated to Australia. Both these men of different generations were ready, willing and able to work but our strategy for tackling unemployment had failed them.

According to quarterly Eurostat figures, there are 26 applicants for every job in Ireland, a stark reminder of the real employment crisis in Ireland. It is a crisis that can only be addressed with real economic solutions.

Behind the monthly live register figures there are thousands of personal stories to be told and talented people who are being failed by our economy.

Active intervention by the state is now essential to create and sustain employment. And yet, the debate about job creation and employment is hampered by a series of misunderstandings. It is simply not the case that reducing wages further, in the public of private sector, will facilitate job creation.

Understanding unemployment is not just about numbers and figures

Since 2008 the deprivation rate for those at work has increased sharply from 6.6 per cent to 12.5 per cent  in 2010. This causes hardship for these individuals and their families, hardship that cannot be understood simply by referring to numbers and figures

This increase in deprivation amongst people with jobs and indeed amongst the unemployed is stunting our growth. Rising deprivation puts additional strain and costs on social services, reduces productivity, consumer demand and negatively impacts on tax returns. If we are serious about creating jobs we must reject calls to resist calls to lower wages.

Equally, assumptions that exports alone will be our saviour are also off the mark. It is true that exports are vital to economic recovery. However, the reality is that this section of the economy is already performing very strongly.

In contrast domestic demand in our economy is in serious difficulty. High unemployment, austerity budgets, cuts and widespread fear and anxiety have all led to a sharp decline in domestic consumer spending. The domestic economy must recover if we are to experience sustainable growth. An examination of our GDP growth rates from 1994 -2007 show that expansion came largely from domestic demand rather than external demand (exports). The government must implement policies which encourage rather than dampen consumer confidence.

We need to be competitive – but that doesn’t necessarily mean low wages

It is true that as a small open economy with a healthy export sector we need to be highly competitive. However competiveness and low wages do not go hand in hand. A company is competitive when it utilises highly skilled, well paid employees and modern technology. Competiveness relies on good productivity which increases as skills levels and indeed wages increase.

There needs to be a recognition that the current approach to the jobs crisis is not working, and work on a new model must begin.
There must be investment in high quality training and education to ensure a sufficient supply of skills in emerging growth areas of the economy. ·

Domestic demand and consumer confidence must be restored. Cuts and taxes that hit people on low and middle incomes undermine consumer confidence and must be stopped.

Structural unemployment, which occurs when a section of the workforce don’t have the skills necessary to take up new jobs as they emerge, must be addressed. Unemployed people who have construction industry related skills must be re-trained to take up jobs in expanding sectors such as IT.

These measures can be funded by shutting down the tax reliefs on non residential that cost the Irish exchequer 450 million each year. Also the 4.7 billion left in our National Pension Reserve fund should be used over the next four years to rollout a world class broadband network and national system of childcare thus creating jobs and supporting economic development.

By encouraging job creation and economic growth we will make better progress towards meeting our international obligation to reduce our budget deficit.

Patrick Nulty is a TD for Dublin West

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Comments (45 Comments)

  • Thank god for copy and paste !

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  • Can somebody please give the IT sector the respect it deserves what total and utter rubbish- ‘Unemployed people who have construction industry related skills must be re-trained to take up jobs in expanding sectors such as IT.’ I suppose we will retrain brick layers as computer programmers and retrain architects as software architects (sure there couldn’t be that much difference)

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    • Donal,

      I interviewed college graduates during the boom and some left to drive diggers on building sites. It may surprise you to know that many who worked in construction did so because they could get better money there. It was short termist I know, but with a degree, masters, fluent etc, I was even tempted…but didn’t.

      There are many bright young men and women who could have the necessary skills to work as programmers and developers, and others who could work at a lower level such as “tech support” in many companies.

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  • It’s not the level of wages it’s the disposable income that is key. the UK figures above are entry level figures and the semi state figures quoted are not a true indicator of what the majority of semi state employees are earning, e.g. the ESB guys you see climbing poles don’t earn even half that figure. Cutting wages means people will spend less and the economy suffers even more. We cannot be compared to the UK since we joined the EMU as they are not part of it. It’s time to get smarter…

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    • While I agree with most of what you say Imelda!, I can’t see how the Government can stay on course without cutting the wages of all public sector workers! Where else can the savings be made?

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    • mike 13/02/12 #

      But it will not be all the public sector worker cut. The CEO’S and executives will have their salary increased. via the largesse of their TDs cronies. Not to mention Bonus for failing the country

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  • Fair point Mike!

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  • Lower wages HAVE to be part of the solution also though! It is simply not sustainable for Irish wages to be 30% higher than UK or EU equivilent!!

    AVERAGE EMPLOYEE PAY AT SEMI-STATES

    Irish Airport Authority €120,300
    Dublin Port €110,600
    Eirgrid €96,900
    ESB €94,300
    Bord Gáis €77,200
    RTE €65,600
    Coillte €63,700
    CIE (bus and trains) €54,000
    Dublin Airport Authority €51,700
    An Post €49,200
    Bord na Móna €46,900

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    • mike 13/02/12 #

      It is not sustainable to have higher costs ie shops prices, rents, Transport costs etc

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    • jimbo 13/02/12 #

      lower wages for state bodies yes,but not for you decent joe soap that pays his taxes…

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    • You go into a hell of a lot more detail with the UK earnings there, got the same detail for Ireland? It’d be nice to see.

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    • mike 13/02/12 #

      We all know that the CEO’s and upper management will not be touched. Only the workers in the public sector.

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    • @mike, that’s why upward only rent reviews need to stop, and go down, but wait, the government won’t do that – why not, hmmm they have a load of properties on their books and they can’t afford to pay the mortgages on them. Yet somehow, the banks who play a big part in this are yet again off the hook. Artificially high rents keep the cost of living and doing business at boom levels while incomes drop like a stone.
      CRIMINAL.

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    • mike 13/02/12 #

      @Paul Spot on. And the average person cannot afford to take more more and more cut. Rents have to be regulated as do prices. The free market have show it does not work.

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    • Are you taking the cost of living in this country into any consideration at all? The cost of services and goods are exorbitant here

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    • Cutting the wages in the public sector is an essential part of the solution. The state’s current largesse is forcing higher costs throughout the economy. As the post above shows, there is plenty of room for cutting average wages within the semi-states too.

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    • Public sector pay was cut, Eric. We are down approx 30%. You think it might be someone else’s turn? Maybe the semi-states? If those figures are accurate those people are earning 2-4 times more than most frontline public sector workers. That is very unjust.

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    • What a load of populist nonsense!
      Governments don’t & can’t create sustainable employment.
      Direct and active involvement of the state in the economy is what lead to this crisis in the first place.
      Sweden has seen it’s economy begin to grow and unemployment fall by reducing the size & cost of it’s public sector and reducing the tax burden on the productive sector.
      http://articles.cnn.com/2011-06-14/opinion/frum.sweden_1_fredrik-reinfeldt-swedish-way-civil-servants?_s=PM:OPINION

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    • The rot always comes from the top.

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    • A market where failed banks are endlessly funded with public money, and rents can go up but not down is not a free market.

      Personally I think everything needs to be cut across the board. But despite saying everyone must share the pain the government keeps upward only rents in place, continues to fund the banks and pay themselves massive salaries and expenses (then the same expenses again).

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    • @ Sean, I think you’re right, but that alone can’t work – see my post above. No point driving the pay of public sector workers down if the cost of living is still at extortionate levels.
      The government are acting like idiots, I don’t think it’s possible for them to be that stupid – they must have alterer motives.

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    • Hi Sean,
      Have you been to Sweden? I moved here with my family in August, and I have to say that article doesn’t get the point across.
      The most important sentence in that article in my opinion:

      ” “Swedish values,” they argue, still emphasize economic security over economic liberty.”

      You can see it as soon as you set foot off the plane, you can’t compare Ireland and Sweden – I don’t think Irish politicians and councils are capable of thinking in this manner.
      Even if they weren’t looking after vested interests, even if they decided now to change their crony ways it would still take 30 or 40 years at least to get to their level of public service and growth.
      It’s not all cut, cut, cut here – the level of public service is astoundingly good; of course there is still bureaucracy, the tax office is still a pain in the ass – but Sweden serves it’s people and serves them well. When I have my business up an running I’ll be happy to pay my taxes to keep this family oriented society ticking over, more than happy.
      I’m looking forward to contributing to this society, it’s just a pity I can’t afford to contribute to Ireland. (even if I did it’d just be syphoned off by the banks anyway.).

      You can’t use that comparison, Swedish society and public services are functioning well.
      It depresses me that Ireland is being destroyed by it’s politicians.

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    • Paul, best of luck with your new life in Sweden.
      I originally left Ireland in the 80′s (during the last politically generated shambles) and spent nearly half my life living outside Ireland. However, I have not been to Sweden.
      I always regard Ireland as home and hope to be able to raise my family here. I find it frustrating and believe that it is a national disgrace that we have these cyclical episodes of mass emigration from this country. I believe a dysfunctional state lies at the heart of this problem and that the Irish people deserve better than they have got to date from incompetent and corrupt politicans.
      Sweden and Canada, among Western nations are pointing the way as to how a state can be better managed and run. We should be learning from this.
      I believe socialism does not offer any meanful solutions. Both these nations have moved away from socialism both at the ballot and in terms of policy.
      I’ve attached an article I came across detailing a brief economic history of Sweden.
      http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704698004576104023432243468.html

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  • Fun debate ))) Here is a link to the 400+ salary averages for UK, so they can be compared to Irish levels. Its time to claw back these MASSIVE semi-state salaries!!! http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-2067258/Best-paid-jobs-2011-Tables-official-figures-UK-salaries.html

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  • Patrick Nulty is right cutting wages will not solve the jobs crisis its going to take alot more than that and a targeted approach to deal with different sectors. He has actually identified corrrectly that the problem is structural but its structural on many levels. Historically the workforce of this country was made up of a large number of skilled, semi skilled and manual labour with small numbers of professionals and a civil service which tradionally paid less to those within its ranks but the quid pro quo was that they had excellent pensions relatively speaking. Over the last 20 years what has changed is that the professional and educated cohort has expanded relative to its traditional size to now include many working in the Hi tech sector and our public sector has been transformed by various agreements and benchmarking into a high cost cohort of workers relative to our international peers. That left the manual labour sectors. The celtic tiger and the expansion of the building sector during the boom took up the slack in this sector and demand was such that inward migration filled the demand and indirectly paid for the public sector. The collapse of the building sector has had a knock on effect with lack of work for those with the skills in that and allied sectors and has indirectly caused some of the funding difficulties that the country is facing as tax take is down and the need to pay welfare has increased.

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  • Teachers could take a cut fairly comfortably, could they not?

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  • “Construction workers must be retrained to take up jobs in expanding sectors as IT” – yeah only person without clue can say that. Maybe retrain all city cleaners to become doctors or lawyers as well? How can you possibly just retrain somebody with completely different experience, knowledge and background for the profession that takes years to master even when you already had some solid backgrounds in it? Never mind people with no interest / background.

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  • If you mention reduce peoples wages in this country you get branded a fascist. So many people haven’t a clue. If wages go down, foreign investment, exports, and employment all goes up. Cost of living well and tax will goes down with time.

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    • mike 13/02/12 #

      If wages go down. Spending goes down as well. Tax Take goes down. ‘ More jobs are lost. Pushing the country into further poverty and leading us into more debt.

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    • when you reduce unemployment, create sustainable jobs and give people the financial confidence back spending goes up, annnd high domestic wages increase the price of goods and exports, think about it … how much of the stuff you buy is produced in ireland? your phone, car, lap top, tv, clothes, more the half of food stuffs, ect ect all produce some were else!! Sure here…. why don’t we just raise minimum wage to €50 per hour that will sort all our financial woes ….pfft!

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    • “when you reduce unemployment, create sustainable jobs and give people the financial confidence back spending goes up, annnd high domestic wages increase the price of goods and exports, think about it … ”

      You say that like they’re self-fulfilling statements, they’re not. Our government is making the cuts, but they too think it’s a self-fulfilling, but it’s not. For a start, they cuts they’re making to public pay and services are going directly into gluttonous bankers pockets, so the costs for Ireland aren’t actually decreasing their just being syphoned off to pay bond holders.
      EVERYTHING needs to be cut.
      Bondholders need to be told to Fuck off.
      If necessary, Ireland needs to leave the Euro.
      It’s just a shame that it’s other countries public taxes we’ll be defaulting on in a lot of cases – but that’s their governments faults, they shouldn’t be helping us prop up failed banks either.
      Vested interests all around! and the public, be they Irish, Greek, German, French or whatever – are not one of the interests.
      Incompetence and corruption are rife.

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  • The minimum in Ireland is the highest in europe. Thats one factor. To say the cost of living is higher than the eastern eu countries is not accurate. The difference is they dont own their own property. The standard of livinv in this country is our own problem to deal with. We would be all better off with less money in a more competative country. Our wages are way too high. I have seen people in this country take home €500 a week & say its not enough & in part they are correct because if personal debt or high morgages. A person in Poland doing the same job but with a lot less conditions would take home €150 a week & in Romania its less than 1/2 that again. This is what we are competeing against & while.we cant work for these amount of monies we most close the gap. The country as a whole must get cheaper including the government & thats why extra taxes wont work.

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  • if we reduce minimum wage employers can hire more people, there’d be less people on “the social” and we’d attracted more foreign investment, how can we compete or talk of job creation when it cost a minimum 8.65 per hour to create a job here and 1.72 to create a job in Slovakia. If a company set up in Slovakia gets 5 times the man power for same price. I’m not suggesting we cut as low as 1.72 and their are other factors but we need to be realistic.

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  • scratch the “well” after “Living”

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  • People here keep harping on about the wages of top bank officials and the heads of semi state bodies – even if they were all to take a pay cut it won’t make any difference! It’s all just a drop in the ocean in the grand scheme!

    The people at the top of the chain will ALWAYS earn more then your average job soap.. That just the way it is.

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