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Column: Of course there is a pro-Israel lobby – but there is an anti-Israel lobby too

The Israel Ambassador in Ireland says he is tired of talk of an all-powerful Zionist lobby – a Jewish lobby exists, but it’s no different from the Irish lobby which exerted influence in the US, he argues…

Boaz Modai Israel Ambassador to Ireland

WHEN LAST WEDNESDAY, in his speech to the UN General Assembly, President Obama expressed US opposition to a Palestinian state being created unilaterally, arguing instead that it should be created after peace talks with Israel finally resolve the Israeli-Palestinian  conflict, there was much incredulity, even outrage in much of Europe, including in Ireland.

In the Irish Times, columnist Lara Marlowe said bluntly that Obama’s policy was solely because of pressure from Jewish and other pro-Israeli elements within the United States (collectively called ‘the Lobby’).

Such a response, if a little tired and predictable, was perhaps inevitable. For sure, there is a Jewish lobby in the United States, but there are many others too, not least the Irish lobby which for a century was a dominant presence in the Democratic Party and was particularly useful in the Northern Ireland Peace Process. Few people, however, talk about probably the most powerful foreign lobby of all that operates in the United States – the Saudi, or more generally, ‘Arab’ lobby – with its petro-wealth, its huge investment in the US economy, and its steady supply of petroleum to the American consumer and capitalist alike.

Israel is the latest target of the ‘Jewish world power’ fantasists and has been for the last 63 years. The facts, however, dispel any notion of Jewish mastery of the levers of world power. The Zionist movement pressed for a Jewish homeland for six decades before World War II – with precious little success, facing at best patronising contempt, at worst outright hatred, from the international community. True, in the immediate wake of the Holocaust, and facing armed Jewish resistance against British rule, the UN did belatedly create Israel in 1947 with Resolution 181. But after that, a great many countries around the world were hostile to Israel or at best indifferent.

The United States was markedly cool on Israel for decades

The biggest canard is the ‘special relationship’ between Israel and the United States. In fact, the United States was markedly cool on Israel for decades. It only recognised Israel at all in 1948 thanks to the personal commitment of President Truman. In 1967, just before the Six-Day War, with Israel imminently facing a coordinated offensive by Egypt, Syria and Jordan, the US government advised Israel not to do anything.

The truth is, the US-Israeli ‘special relationship’ is a fairly recent creature, since the 1970s, and even then the US had a much broader geopolitical agenda than simply supporting little Israel which has been economically insignificant to US interests.

As for Europe, the relationship with Israel is very mixed. As for the Third World’s attitude to Israel, it is generally negative.

The truth is, far from ‘the Lobby’ having a magic hold over the Earth, the biggest lobby in the world is the anti-Israel movement, which takes many forms. Most problematic is the UN itself which, unfortunately, many people in Ireland naively see as the holy embodiment of world virtue. There are 57 Muslim states, only two of which – Egypt and Jordan – even recognise Israel’s right to exist.

Since the 1970s there has been the ‘Arab-African’ bloc whereby in return for Arab support against then apartheid South Africa the black African countries would support the Arab agenda against Israel. That relationship is still ongoing, fuelled by the power of the Arab ‘petro’ lobby. Some Latin American and non-Muslim Asian countries have also signed up to the anti-Israel Lobby – out of Third World loyalty, selfish interest, or economic dependence on the ‘petro’ lobby.

There is an automatic anti-Israel agenda in the UN

In short, for the past generation, there is an automatic anti-Israel agenda in the UN. Any resolution condemning Israel is automatically assured of a majority. For 50 years Israel was excluded from all of the five regional groups in the UN. Since its creation in 2006 the ‘Human Rights Council’ has passed more resolutions condemning Israel than all other countries in the world put together. Past members of the Human Rights Council have included such sure champions of liberal democracy as Gaddafy’s Libya, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia!

As for the Security Council, its chair this month is Lebanon, a country now de facto controlled by Hizbullah – the most powerful terrorist organisation in the world with over 40,000 long range rockets aiming to target Israeli civilians.

Nor does this take into account the worldwide activism against Israel, in Muslim countries, Europe and increasingly even in the United States, a campaign that is well-organised, militant, ceaseless and well-funded. Israel is demonised in media, universities, trade unions, international conferences, artist groups, and subject to boycott campaigns, propaganda and even hysteria (most recently, the Israeli Philharmonic was disrupted in London by activists, presumably because Israeli music is ‘evil music’).

Trade unions boycott Israel – the only country in the Middle East with a free labour movement. Self-styled ‘liberals’ hate Israel – the only country in the Middle East with freedom of press and speech. ‘Gender activists’ have joined the fashionable bandwagon against Israel even though Israel is the only country in the Middle East with freedom of sexual orientation. I wonder who, or what, is behind and funds this global madness against a country the size of Leinster.

I wonder how much the enemies of Israel are sponsored by Arab oil money, and also how much Islamic terrorism is a factor that scares people and countries around the world into standing against Israel, even if it often means standing  in favour of Middle East dictatorships instead.

Sometimes I am asked; “How do Israelis feel being so isolated in the world?” I reply that things are better now than in the past; at least we can be fairly sure of America’s support. Seventy years ago the Jewish people had no one to help them and we know what happened.

Boaz Modai, Ambassador of Israel

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Comments (73 Comments)

  • The anti Israel movement in Ireland, Europe and US would just as quickly become a pro-Israel voice if they recognise the 1967 Palestine borders and help the people of Palestine rebuild their homes and infrastructure. That’s not to say the rest of the Arab world would immediately follow suit, but Israel would at least have a moral leg to stand on.

    • Israel does a great deal for the Palestinian people actually.There is ongoing deliveries of aid to Gaza,they do regardless of their own threat,this includes,wheat,rice,clothes,footwear,milk and baby supplies,cattle,medical supplies(including mobile trauma units,hypochlorite for water purification etc. These things are never printed,people remain unaware.Also the palestinians are quite happy to have their children treated in Israeli hospitals free of charge.There is so much that Israel does and it always goes unrecognized.

    • But why Israel should withdrawal to 67 borders? Just to satisfy hers haters? 67 borders are not sacred one and they have nothing to do with the Palestinians. In any case you failed to mention that ONLY “recognizing 67 borders” won’t bring peace with the Arabs. As ABU Abbass says time and again, Israel has to accept the “right of return” of more of 5 million Arabs into small Israel? Why they should be settled in Israel if they are already have their own Palestinian state? At the same breath, the Arabs in Palestine don’t want to accept Israel as a Jewish state (not in the religious meaning but the national-hood meaning – the land of the Jews), while they call their future state a “Palestinian state”, which means the state of the Palestinian Arabs. The Palestinians declare that their state will be Judenrein, which means they are intending to apply ethnical cleansing against Jews who wish to stay and live on their Biblical ancestors’ land. Is that a good “Moral leg” of the Islamic stand?

    • @ Naomi: What about the Gaza blockade?! And maybe Palestinians are happy to have children treated in Israeli hospitals, if they can manage to get the correct permits and then get the child through some of the hundreds of checkpoints along the way to actually make to the hospital in time for the child to be treated. And @Aviefar, 67′ borders have nothing to do with Palestinians? That is a bizarre statement. More like borders seem to have nothing to do with Israelis, because if they did, Israel wouldn’t be able to continue their settlement program in violation of international law, and erect a security fence along their own made-up borders apparently in whatever way they choose.

    • Karen Dunne; why don’t you ask yourself “what about the suicide bombing and missiles rocketing from Gaza to Israel”? It’s legal to boycott a state or an entity that attacks you. If a Gazan woman who was treated loyaly at Israeli hospital in Beer Sheba caught at a checkpoint on Gaza border carrying explosives under her underwear in her way to have regular medical treatment at the hospital, you have to open clearly your eyes and not believe any of your haters! It not a play but it cost lives! There are no such thing as “hundreds checkpoints” any more, and it doesn’t refer any way to Gaza, because Gaza has clear border with Israel. That border has 4 border’s gates which 2 of them are already closed. The phrase “blockade” is quite exajurate. Israel let any of the Gazans import/export to flow from/to Gaza abroad. The Gazans don’t starve and never had. Only the well oily Falsetinian proPALganda tries to pictures another story.

      The 67 borders have nothing to do with “Palestinians” because they weren’t existenced when the war accured. That’s fact! You can’t fing “Palestinians” in US resolution 242 for example. If Ireland will conquer sometime in the future some area of Northern Ireland, will the Irish will feel that they illegally conquered that land or will demand that land for themselves and put the lame on British aggression?! The Israeli reality is much clearer; there the Arabs have already a Palestinian state called Jordan.

  • Dear Mr Modal,
    I am not anti Israeli or anti Jewish. Indeed, I believe the Jewish people have the right to their own state and the right to equality when they are part of any other state. However, I also believe that Palestinians have the right to their own state and the right to equality when they are part of any other state. They, the Palestinians, do not have either of these rights at the moment, but if you and Israelis who share your isolation recognised or even strived for the recognition of these rights along with the recognition of the equivalent Israeli rights then you would notice that people like me are actually pro Israeli and just happen to be pro Palestinian at the very same time. Indeed, if Israel embraced the peaceful pro Palestinian/Israeli Lobby then the pro Israeli Lobby would be on very solid ground, and, I am sure that states like Ireland would be in your corner at the UN.

    • You failed to mention that those Palestinians Arabs have already their state on historical Palestine, called Jordan. Jordan is Eastern Palestine, the East Bank of Palestine. More than 80% of the Jordanians are Palestinians with first family connections to Arabs in the West Bank of Palestine, which includes the Israeli Arabs and the Jordanian 48 occupied West Bank [of the kingdom of Jordan]. As I mentioned above the problem is much more than 67 borders. The basic problem is that Arabs in Palestine didn’t accept yet the right of Jews in Palestine to have their own national state!!!! Wake up!!!!!

  • I would like the author to give his opinion on the further 1100 houses to be built under West Bank settlement plans. How will this act contribute to peace?

  • Your use of language is interesting as it is designed to obfuscate the issue and deflect criticism.

    It’s not a Jewish lobby but an Israeli lobby, composed of AIPAC, the influential Christian-Zionists and the still potent neo-conservatives, who haven’t gone away you know.
    http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/john-mearsheimer/the-israel-lobby

    This is a crucial difference.

    As many have written, the goals of the Israeli lobby are often antithetical to Jewish interests, not least because there is evidence that Israel’s continued flagrant violation of international law and indiscriminate slaughter of Palestinians fuels the odious virus of anti-semitism. For more on the connection between a spike in anti-semitism and Israeli actions, I would recommend Norman Finkelstein’s brilliant book Beyond Chutzpah: On the Misuse of Anti-Semitism and the Abuse of History.
    The Israeli human rights group B’Tselem, along with Amnesty and HRW have done some excellent work detailing Israeli crimes against Palestinian civilians.

    The influence of the Israeli lobby is often over-stated though.

    You are right that it was only since 1967 that the Israel became the 51st state of the US and an extension of US military power in the Middle East. You can see this from the US voting record in the UN on matters critical of Israel.
    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/UN/usvetoes.html

    Why was this?

    Because Israel was a useful proxy to defeat the Arab nationalism as championed by Nasser at the time and funded by the Soviet Union to ensure that oil profits continued to flow towards US corporations and that US military hegemony remained unchallenged in the Middle East

    The US State Department in a declassified planning document described the Middle East as “a stupendous source of strategic power and one of the great material prizes in world history”

    Israel is also the largest recipient of US military aid. This essentially allows the “military-industrial” axis that Eisenhower warned about in his valedictory speech to build US weaponry paid for by the US taxpayer and give it to their client state to test and refine for when the US needs it for large scale military engagements, like Iraq or Afghanistan.

    Israel has to date received $140 billion dollars in aid, most of which is supplied in military hardware and gives enormous profits to the armaments companies in the US and allows Israel to maintain it’s illegal occupation over the Palestinians.
    http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/usaid.html

    For more background about the Middle East, this is a great interview by the greatest intellectual alive, Noam Chomsky.
    http://www.chomsky.info/interviews/20060815.htm

    • Will would I be correct in saying that 75% of that military aid has to be bought from US firms. so in effect the US gives Israel aid in one hand and gets three quarters of it back in the other. No aid to Israel means that US firms would lose billions in revenue and jobs would be lost. So it’s actually in Americas best interest to give Israel foreign aid to keep the domestic front happy. I presume that this goes for the rest of the world also.

    • Aviefar 29/09/11 #

      WillLynch; The Israeli lobby is a legal lobby as the Arab lobbies are. It’s a side issue refering to American politics where pro-Israel are the majority in the American society. Your vocabulary is quite a fraud which eases your effort to spread lies and mistakes while describing Israel. The US and Israel relations based on share values and interests as any others states relations. The US has the right to defend Israel and vice versa. It’s clear and legal. The US benefits from the relation with Israel couple of times than Israel benefits from the US. Israel share with the US highly precious military know-how, Technology developements and scientefic inventions. By sellig to Israel some weapons the US gains better influence on Israel. Israel is largest recipient of US military aid through the US State Department badget, but Germany, South Korea, Japan and others get even more through the defence ministry budget, accompanied by existing of US soldiers on their soil. So, The US pays much more to states in order to put hers soldiers there. Isn’t that absurdity?! Israel never asked and never got US soldiers to fight for her. Israel can do it better alone.

      Don’t yell on Israel and threat her to stop the US military aid, because Israel can produce much of her need or buy it from others. In some sense it will benefit Israel because it will lead her to invest more on producing military hardware and develop more of her needs. Take it to account that the total annual American aid to Israel is less the 3% of the Israeli budget. On the other hand the US industries and armies will lose their revenue, the scientific and technological producing and inventions of the Israelis, which will spear their knowledge and inventions with other super-powers. So, your suggestion is quite irresponsible, and you’re at the same time, enthusiastically, operating against the US national security interests! You betray your state in order to appease some monstrous Islamic organ that eager to spread Islam by terror!
      http://www.dailycal.org/article/103806/historical_meaning_of_the_palestinian_flag_

    • Aviefar did you even read what you were linking too?????????????
      “. In 1948, Israel’s founders carried this philosophy to its logical conclusion and used military force to drive more than 700,000 Palestinians out of their homes in a carefully planned campaign of ethnic cleansing.”

      “Then-Israeli defense minister Yitzhak Rabin ordered his soldiers to break the bones of Palestinians who participated in this uprising or who displayed their flag. Israeli soldiers injured, jailed and killed thousands of Palestinians for their crimes of struggling for human rights and self-determination.”

      Ha ha ha!! Welcome to the cause my friend!!!

  • The US-Israeli special relationship goes back further. In June 1967 the US government covered up an fatal unprovoked attack on a US navy vessel, USS Liberty, by IDF forces.
    Let’s not forget also the blind eye the US governments has turned to Israel’s nuclear weapons program, which it could be argued forced Iran to invest in nuclear technology as deterrent against Israels use of its nuclear arsenal against any Arabic nation allied to Iran.
    Covering up an act of war by an ally and ignoring WMD development, is testament to the "special relationship" that exists.

    • Aviefar 29/09/11 #

      Go back and check your history books. It’s a free world and if the US, Britain, France, Russia, China, India, Pakistan have nuclear weapons why not Israel too? I think that Iran has the right for its nuclear weapon too. But I think that any state that is threatened and straitened by other state has the right too to prevent that enemy from fulfilling his mission and even to attack the aggressor and clear him from the nuke’s infrastructure. If Ireland feels threatened by Israel‘s nuke, than the Irish has full rights to bomb Israel nuclear infrastructure in advance. That’s the geo-political rule.
      Israel attacked USS Liberty by mistake. All the conspiracy theories proved to be lies. When one at war it’s very hard to differentiate between foe or friend, especially at the poor electronic means that were used at that time. Just look at nowadays war, with further and better sophisticated weapons, and see how many civilians the NATO forces kill in Afghanistan, Yemen and in Iraq before. I see the never ending intransigence of time-and-again playing with USS Liberty issue a weakness of the accuser and his lack of relevancy.

  • Perhaps instead of seeming anti-Israel due to “Third World loyalty, selfish interest, or economic dependence on the ‘petro’ lobby”, some countries are acknowledging the daily suffering of Palestinian people due to the restrictions imposed by Israel. Perhaps if Israel allowed Palestine to control its own water supply, borders and taxes, to travel through their own territory without having to take miles long detours around Israeli bypass roads – to have all those human rights that are currently withheld from them by Israel, perhaps then you would realise that these are the real problems people have with Israel…fix those and then see if there is still a ” global madness against a country the size of Leinster” . I doubt there would be. In the mean-time, the only madness would be to make the mistake of ignoring these modern-day atrocities.

    • Aviefar 29/09/11 #

      The restrictions imposed by Israel on Palestinian Arabs are the minimum means necessary to prevent terror attacks on Jews. The Israeli check points are no longer sit inside the “West Bank” but on the border between the west bank and Israel, and some in the entrance to Israeli settlements. All made in according to local and international laws. The Palestinians Arabs call even today to murder all the Palestinian Jews, to throw them into the sea and to treat them as “monkeys” and “pigs”. The Arabs educated their kids to hate Jews and the one who commit a suicide bombing will have a real gift: 72 virgins in Paradise. The Arabs have their own land to travel, to tax, to water supply themselves, it calls the A+B areas. But that didn’t made them better peace lovers. As I say it time and again, the core of conflict is that the Muslims don’t accept the right of Israel to exist.

  • If so many people, countries, regions, organisations, etc are anti-israeli one can only wonder if perhaps some the reasons given for this criticism are justified.

    • That is a truly ignorant and flawed deduction. I’m embarrassed to see you have an Irish surname.

    • Norman surname in all fairness, Irish. Let’s blame the French ;)

    • Firstly I would like to say thank you to Ambassador Modai for writing such an honest and heart felt article.
      It is a sad fact that Israel is unjustly and immorally demonized,I wish this was not the case.
      There are many who do however support Israel and more people are waking up to think for themselves.If people would just take the time to research into the miraculous survival of tiny Israel and the Jewish nation,rather than be led by hate filled anti Israel groups and biased media,they would certainly see the truth and have a clearer understanding of what Israel must face daily.

    • Christians and Muslims always envy Jews that’s why they hated the Jews and murdered them. If you’ll check the fixed Anti-Israel political block you’ll see 57 Muslim’s states and other 100 under-developed Islamic influenced states. Looking at Europe we see Christian’s states that no longer remember how they committed genocide on their Jews, and now they are taking care for their oil and energy rather than seeking the historical and political truth. Jews are very unique creatures that many love to hate. I suppose that the blame has to be put on the haters and not at those who are being hated, at least in this case.

  • The last picture in the latest issue of al Qaeda’s Inspire magazine is one of a heavily armored bulldozer flattening a home in what I a presuming is Palestinian territory. I haven’t had a chance to read through the full mag yet but a quick glance shows that Israel and Palestine seems to be a large part of the AQ ideology. If Israel were to seriously look at peace talks on an equal basis with the PA and came to a just solution that was equitable to everyone then AQ would have no leg to stand on. The PA for it’s part would also have to stop messing around and realize that Israel is here to stay so they are going to have to get used to it. Hamas can bury their heads in the sand all they like but if a deal can be struck for the W Bank that would see its inhabitants getting on with their lives Hamas would have to realize that sooner or later they would also have to come to some sort of agreement with Israel.

    Before the Lobby start giving me the usual lines about Israel seeking peace with it’s neighbors etc, lets just liik at Israels reaction to the PA declaring statehood. I personally believe that Israel did no want the unilateral declaration for 2 main reasons.

    1. It puts the PA on an equal footing with Israel and is no longer the underdog looking for tit bits from Israel. Now the State of Israel had to negotiate with the Palestinian State, 2 States on equal terms and Israel is not used to and does not like that.

    2. Israel wanted to be the one who said that the PA could have a State after they (Israel) had decided that they had deserved it. A sort of “bonus” for doing what they were told. What the PA did was defy the “authority” of Israel and say that we can stand on our own 2 feet and we don’t need you permission to do so.

    Israels response was to say in the UN lets have peace talks here and now. Yes this looked like a serious gesture and great for the cameras but what did they do a couple of days later? built more settlements! that is what I mean about Israel being serious about things. As some commentators here have already said if Israel were to stop being so arrogant for want of a better word and and stop treating the rest of the world like fools then perhaps things would swing more their way. As the first commentator has said if the whole world is against you then there must be something in it. A bit of inward reflection, a new strategy and a new attitude would do Israel the world of good. Ambassador Modai very astutely uses the image of Israel being the size of Leinster with the world ganged up against it in a sort of David and Goliath battle. Unfortunetly with America threatening to veto Palestinian statehood at the behest of Israel what Israelis don’t realize is that this time the world sees Israel and the US as playing the part of Goliath.

    • Interesting Brian that you’ve internalized that age old Arab “opt out clause” to such an extent and retail it all over again despite it’s bogusness.

      In fact you go even further, you misrepresent fact. Israel hasn’t “built more settlements” since I don’t know when. They have continued to build within existing settlements. Of course the Arabs have a problem with that too, but if that is so bad then why the need to misrepresent and distort? Why not just object to any development within the existing settlements? I’m guessing it’s because it doesn’t sound as bad or dramatic. But this is one of the most wearying aspects to having a conversation on this subject, there’s simply so much Arab propaganda swallowed whole, without even chewing, by the likes of yourself while Israeli’s, even when stating easily verifiable fact, have to endure a firewall of interrogation and skepticism. So by the time the territory of discussion is established and definitions agreed, the desire to even breath has been all but lost. And this must be done over and over and over again by anyone advocating for Israel, often on the same forum and often when arguing with the same people. At this stage it appears to me to be a tactic. Is that true of you Brian?

      Here is a fact, Israel put in place a ten month moratorium on even building in existing settlements, as a gesture to get the Arabs to the table for peace talks. Abbas waited until month ten before demanding that the moratorium be extended before he would deign to discuss discussions. How can sentient adult accept that they Arabs are serious about peace talks when that’s how they behave. There’s much Israel would like the Arabs to concede as part of a peace process but they’re not demanding that of Abbas as a precondition to talks. You see talks are the place where compromises are made, concessions extracted etc. That’s their purpose. But the Arabs want all that upfront as a conditions for talks. And, of course when they don’t get the reward for their petulant foot stamping tantrums they know they can rely on mountebanks and charlatans like Eamon Gilmore to to pat them on the shoulder and tell them not to worry he’ll go to bat for them at the UN and make the bad guys give them what they’re demanding upfront, without them having to do anythings.

    • When you talk of foot stamping isn’t that what Israel is doing at the moment by building more/old/new settlements just because the PA didn’t come scurrying to the talks table at Israel’s bidding. As for settlements wasn’t that very good of Israel to stop building on Palestinian land! What did they expect, a pat on the back? You say that the Arabs are not being asked to concede anything as preconditions which is fair enough considering that there is probably not much to concede as Israel will take it anyway if it wants to. It’s easy to give and say how great you are when you have everything and hold all the cards. The problem for Israel now is that Palestinians have been emboldened by the Arab spring and are now standing up for themselves and are staring down Israel with a new confidence. If Israel continues with it’s old attitudes and ways it will soon find it’s self out manoeuvred by the PA.

      Oh and I do object to any development within existing settlements seeing as they shouldn’t be there in the first place!

  • Quite simply Israel does not want peace and cannot afford to have peace, the price would be too high.
    Peace would mean giving up the West Bank and it will never do that, the West Bank expansion is critical.

    Israel was founded on the promise that it would be a refuge for Jews from all over the world.
    To provide these peoples with homes it must expand in the West Bank, there is simply no where else to house them.

    The Jewish population is steadily growing in the West Bank, eventually the Israeli’s will become a majority there.
    When that happens the Israelis can claim that the democratic majority wish to stay as part of Israel and will claim the moral right to fully assimilate the West Bank into the state of Israel.

    At that point Israel would be in a position to discard the Gaza strip as a tiny independent Palestinian state.

    I think we will see many more decades of obstructionism from the Israelis.
    There will never be a Palestinian state that includes the West Bank without military intervention from NATO.

  • I am absolutely stunned at this. Irish people see the UN as the “holy embodiment of world virtue”? This man is an arch fantasist. He interperets our experience with agressive neigbours, distaste for violence and disgust at breaches of human rights as anti-semitism?

  • What an utterly ridiculous “article” this is!
    Funny how the myopic Mr Modai can talk about Israel being rocketed by Hizbollah (which all right minded people recognise is utterly wrong and vile), yet can’t recognise the dropping of white hot phosphorus on school children from Israeli warplanes, or the systematic dehumanization of the Palestinian people.
    The sooner we get people on both sides of the conflict to own up to their evil, inhumane deeds, the sooner the ordinary people on both sides can try live normal lives.
    But I guess there’s no profit in that.

  • apartheid.

    • Aviefar 29/09/11 #

      Israel is the victim and you are the victimizer. In any case Israel is not poor by any means of interpretation. Israel is a great success in any objective standard, and that’s why her haters have to lie in order to victimize her.

      You’re right. Palestine is apartheid, as Gaza is. The ultimate goal of the Palestinian Arabs is to withdraw the Palestinian Jews into the see. That’s why Abu AbaSS declared his West Bank state as Judenrein state.

  • The typical look at us poor victims. Boo hoo

    • That’s a digusting and insensitive comment. I’m exhausted reading such vitriol and ignorance coming out of Irish minds. I am convinced we are a nation of buffoons, seriously.

    • Irish Pride thinks we are a nation of buffoons ha ha.

    • Irish Pride, we’re not proud of you

    • Mr.Kelly. Your comment is hurtful and distasteful.How would the Irish feel when they speak of their 800 years of oppression,the rest of the world laughed and said “there they go again,the Irish playing the victims”. The Jewish nation has suffered more oppression and threat than any other group in the history of mankind,fact. Their struggle to survive is amazing.Yet through such terrors,threats and hatred Israel still gives this world so much.If you had a clearer understand of the history of this tiny nation you would certainly have more respect.

    • Aviefar 29/09/11 #

      Damien Kelly; I didn’t see the Irish pride when they bombed each other! Or you still think that you were “proud victims”?

    • Aviefar 29/09/11 #

      Israel is the victim and you are the victimizer. In any case Israel is not poor by any means of interpretation. Israel is a great success in any objective standard, and that’s why her haters have to lie in order to victimize her.

  • Shahab-a-til massacre 1981 ?

    • Aviefar 29/09/11 #

      Do you mean the massacre that Muslims did on Christian in Lebanon? I think that killing Christians is not a real issue for the Europeans to get into conflict with the Muslim states. I think the Europeans appreciate their oil more than the blood of some Christian Arabs. Politics.

  • an interesting piece – I like many in Ireland, I believe that Israel has the right to exist, but expect it to live and co-operate peacefully with its neighbours and account for its actions where disproportionate responses to threats perceived or otherwise happen. The issue with Israel is borders; with the opening of travel out of the CIS since the fall of the Soviet Union, the influx of Eastern Europeans into Israel has created a two-tier society where the new arrivals are pushed out into settlements and the settlers coming from the vastness of Russia & her satellite states find themselves contained within in a modest strip of land; something they wouldn’t be used to. Land availability is leading to pressures to keep taking more and more land to meet demand. If Israel keeps ignoring the agreements from the Oslo accord and keep illegally taking land to build settlements; how can it be seen as a country who keeps it word?

  • The thing that always struck me when the latest bombing incident in Tripoli was reported on the news were the interviews with bystanders and witnesses. They most always had american accents, were white and appeared ancestrally of european background. I know that this may have been due to english speaking news agencies seeking out english speakers at the scenes of these incidents but the impression was of a culturally alien settler community being set upon by a disaffected native population.

  • There are 10 Muslim countries that recognise Israel and not 2 as he stated , Turkey, Albania, Azerbaijan, Egypt, Krygyzistan, Jordan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Tajikstan & Uzbekistan…incidently Iran was the 2nd nation to recognise Israel in 1950 but after they threw off the shackles of Imperialism and all the benifits it brings they severed ties with Tel-Aviv.

    Israel is a terrorist state , and i don’t care that anyone thinks some bearded guy in the sky told them they were the “chosen people”. to quote that great leader of Israel Ariel Sharon “Israel may have the right to put others on trial , but certainly no-one has the right to put the Jewish people and the state of Israel on trial”.

    • Aviefar 29/09/11 #

      You may be right by counting 10 states, but not all of them call themselves a “Muslim state”, although there are Muslims majority on those states. Turkey and Albania for example don’t call themselves “Islamic state”. Turkey until these days considers herself as a product of the “Young Turk”, which separated the religion from the state. Only nowadays we see the Islamic government trying to hijack Turkey towards Islam rule. I think that the former USSR states that you mentioned don’t describe themselves as “Islamic states”. But any way, the ambassador would better refer to “(22) Arab States” rather than “(57) Islamic states” in that context.

      Your new description of Israel as a “terrorist state” might be impressive, but I find that your claims are just political-ideological ones and not based on facts. Firstly, the “chosen people” is an historical fact and nothing to do with your interpretation. According to Judaism, Christianity and Islam, God chose the Jewish people to be his messengers to humanity. The Jews succeeded in that mission, but their haters failed. Any further interpretation of that phrase is on the responsibility of the pleader. Secondly, as for the hoax you spread on Ariel Sharon I would say that I wouldn’t lie on my enemy as you lie on Jews.

  • End Apartheid. Stop the lies. Instead of criticizing Iran stop behaving like them. Israel is like every other theocracy in the world including Iran. Serving one section of society based on their religious beliefs had never worked and it never will. Free Palestine.

  • One of the interesting things here is that, with the Israeli promotion of new and existing settlements it reminds me of Hitler’s excuse for invading Eastern Europe – Lebensraum ( living space) – It seems kind of perversly ironic.

  • what a horrible paranoid world this man lives in

    • Ignorance must be bliss. Mister Modai is an intellectual with a heart.

    • As with all oppressors, he sees enemies everywhere.

    • He sees reality in front of him. If you’re a true Irish you’ll see that reality in few years ahead, as Britain and Western Europe just starting to see. Just remember that Ireland in the “Dahr el-Harb” for the Muslims. “Dahr el-Harb” is the “House/area of war” that Muslims should conquer from non-Muslims and annex it to their “House of Peace/completion”, the House of Islam. If you call it to be a “paranoid world” it doesn’t mean that the one who says the truth is the paranoid, but the Muslims acting as being paranoid by those who don’t know what Islam means.

  • Did the Embassador in all honesty try to compare the Israeli and Irish lobbies in the US. The Irish lobby has tried to get things done for Ireland and the Irish but never to the detriment of others whereas now the US has threatened to veto Palestinians full membership in the UN. Yes they can stay as second class or worse citizens of an ever expanding Israel and subject to their whims -cutting people off from their work by closing the border-non delivery of supplies and fuel etc . So much for human rights! and the US has the nerve to lecture China and others !
    The state of Israel recognises nobody elses right to anything other than theirs- they dont respect the law -eg the use of stolen or counterfit irish and other stats passports by their HIt squads.
    The state of Israel has learned nothing from the Holocaust other than hate which they now inflict on a people who inhabited the land of Palestine prior to the awarding of this land by the Un and Britain to the jews.
    What is happening now in the West Bank and Gazza strip is another Holocaust-they only difference is it is slower and affecting generation after generation.
    And before anybody starts about Hizbollah etc – peoples only resort to terrorism when they cannot achieve what they wish through dialogue. Never forget the State of Israel came into being as a result of Jewish terrorists against the British. Dialogue does work- look at Northern Ireland- but the Israelis want to go into any talks with the decks stacked .

  • Barra 29/09/11 #

    The foundation of states such as Israel, Pakistan, etc, where borders were defined on religious grounds were dangerous and foolish to begin with as they introduced institutional segregation. I don’t believe that there should be any theocratic states fullstop, but that’s a much bigger debate for another day.

    Israel was established, it does exist and people need to accept that.

    However, if Israel is to expect fair treatment from the majority of the international community, as this article seems to plead for, the following issues would need to be rectified:

    If it is too dangerous for Iran to have nuclear weapons in a region where border conflicts are so common, surely it is equally unsafe for Israel to hold such weaponry. A nation which regularly, publicly makes statements about being under attack is, in my opinion at least, the last place I would like to with a stockpile of nuclear weapons.

    If Israel seeks peace with the Palestinian people, and support in doing so from the international community, then building plantations in what are very obviously politically sensitive regions is counter-intuitive. If Israel truly wants to make peace with Palestine, then it needs to stop engaging in this kind of provocation. Israel can justify shooting and capturing Palestinians as defensive actions but plantation building is an act of aggressive expansionism and discredits Israeli claims that they are trying to make peace.

    Also, stealing the identities of Irish (and other) citizens for use in overseas assassinations (which everyone seems to have forgotten about) didn’t exactly endear them to the people or governments of the countries concerned.
    [ http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/15/ireland-israeli-envoy-quit-embassy ]

    With all of this in mind, it’s kind of hard to see Israel as a victim here.

    • Israel’s borders were based originally on resolution 181 of UN from 1947 (which provided for Arab country as well but Arabs have rejected it as they wanted Israel to disappear and attacked it with 5 armies one day after declaring statehood). And as to West Bank it came under Israeli control as an effect of the war started and lost by Jordan (in control of it from 1948 till 1967 – BTW never have I heard that through this time Jordan was occupying Palestine). It was much as Alsac coming under French control or Wroclaw under Polish after WWII. I can see no religion-established borders (if you will read the Bible Promised Land is much bigger than today’s Israel but also with a bit different shape). So the borders were established much like any others

  • An Apartheid state – maintained by the occupation and the subjugation of the Palestinian people. Reinforced by unrelenting propaganda – especially on the other side of the water – where more rednecks identify with israel than the issues of their neighbouring county

  • The Israeli Leaders put all Jews across the world in unnecessary danger with confrontational policies and retoric !

  • So what is the plotline of ‘The Debt’ all about ??

  • It seems pretty clear to me that Israel has long adopted a policy of ‘ethnic cleansing’ in Palestine. The infractions in Gaza just before Obama was sworn into office were a deliberate and I believe a disgusting and indefensible abuse of power. It is clear to intelligent and reasonably well educated non activist observers that Israel is at best a bully and at worst guilty of treating Palestine and the HUMAN BEINGS that live in that territory on the same shocking and appaling terms as the Nazi’s did with the Jewish community during the war. History is repeating itself. I am tired of the Jewish community crying about security threat and reminding us all of their terrible history – which, while I am sympathic of course, at this stage I feel is a mere distraction, a ‘slight of hand’, to deflect public scrutiny and outcry as the Israeli goverment continues to behave in a monstrous and murderous manner towards the civillians in Palestine. I am not omitting acknowledement of the hazardous balance of the political situation in the Middle East from Israel’s point of view, clearly a cause of concern. But perhaps if you guys feel you have created an identity you are finally secure with and are, as you say, finally supported in – you might allow other minority poulations in the immediate region – who now share your recent dilemma – to evolve and do the same. I agree with Obama that a process to achieve this is necessary. But I also see that this is resolution long overdue. I do not consider this a liberal point of view. I merely think that good mature leadership requires progress and not stagnation. Perhaps when the murdering of civillians finally stops the victims and their families, whose voices do not have the privilage of being heard here, may be allowed to be heard, and the apalling attrocities Israel has committed in the name of peace, which I cindemn in the strongest terms, may stop, allowing forgiveness and peace. I think Palestine has shown they are ready for this. Lets not get in the way by espousing clever right wing rhetoric – which may have elements of truth – but clearly – looking at the replies here – the public can discern for themselves what is the truth in this matter. Murder is indefensible. The people, after all, have the power.

  • Why is israel a legitimate country? Why does it have a right to exist ? Leaving aside the UN resolution – made in the fog of atrocity. The resolution made real the aspirations of the zionists and utterly shattered the aspirations of a true race of native people – all of whom born of the land
    The vast majority of the israelis are Russian in origin
    Jewish people are not a race of people no more than Catholics or Muslims – witches or Jedi’s – so can’t have a native claim to the land except through fairy tales –
    I understand all people should be free from persecution but this cannot be done by persecuting others –
    Can anyone explain the legitimacy without referring to powerful men making decisions to suit a few at the detriment of many?

    • Disrespecting someones religion and their scriptures as “fairy tales” is not exactly a great way of putting forward an argument. The Jewish race originally came from the region in the same way the Irish came from mainland Europe. Historically the Jewish people came from the area carrying their race and religion with them. The difference is that where the Irish were converted to Christianity the Jews kept their religion over the centuries. It doesn’t give them the right to go trampling over other peoples rights but it also doesn’t give people the right to disrespect their religious beliefs either.

    • Brian, I don’t think that saying ‘fairy tales’ is a big insult. In fact, if you study the history and demographic spread, not to mention how consistent images of the unconscious are with fairy tale imagery, and how people or kids will get upset if you tell one wrong… fairy tales are almost as deeply rooted in us as religions, so it’s not an insult. If we take D Griffs comment at face value with out getting emotional, therefore, it means that being russians does not equal having roots in palestine.
      Judaism has been a Religion based on scripture rather than place since the destruction of Soloman’s temple hundreds of years before Moses.
      ANYWAY, as a race we should be evolved enough not to be basing the forced forming of countries in OTHERS’ gardens on anything as nebulous as Religious belief. Why doesn’t America give Jews a piece of Mississipi or something :)

    • Some fair points there Conor however I’m sure you will agree that there is a big difference between the telling of Goldilocks and the three bears and The Last Supper. My point is that in my opinion challenging someones religious beliefs is a poor road to go down when making your point. First of all you would probably need a degree in theology and secondly whatever about territorial issues people get very entrenched when you start attacking what are very personal values. Most if not all conflicts can be traced back to my God being better than your God, you know yourself the various conflicts that have occurred around the world now and in times past. Being Agnostic myself I respect all religions no matter what I may think of them and I admit some of the stuff that people believe leaves me rolling my eyes. What I have found though over the years though is that it is not the religion that is at fault but mans interpretation of it. I would concentrate less on the tale that is being told and more on the storyteller that is telling it.

    • D Griff 29/09/11 #

      When u say the Irish are from Europe – yes over thousands of years we migrated
      The Russians migrated into israel over the last 50 – big difference
      All religion is fairy tail and superstition – to give comfort for ignorance -

  • Wait for the vitriol Mr Modai.

  • As the Israeli army say when making their oath Masada will never fall again. Too much propaganda floating about against Israel,this small nation is surrounded by corrupt Arab nations hell bent on its destruction .History has shown that Israel will meet any agression with force while at the same time wanting to live in peace with its neighbour.All the do-gooders forget that Israel is up against militant islamics Iran in particular ,If Israel was to fall Europe next maybe.

  • Moderate minded people will notice the immoderation of the Anti Israeli Lobby here. All very boilerplate with this particular crew. I note some people are taking exception to the suggestion that antisemitism may be a motivator for some on the Anti Israel lobby. Moreover I notice one particular individual identifies me as an Israeli. I can assure everyone that I’m as Irish as the Blarney Stone.

    However unlike some here I do think that Ireland, unlike, say, Germany has got away without confronting our antisemitism. This is a country where, after all, the natives once lapped up the poisoned and rabid antisemitism of Arthur Griffith in the United Irishman, Oliver St John Gogarty, both in the United Irishman and in his works of fiction. This stuff sold in Ireland. This was a nation which turned it’s back on those about to be swallowed by the Holocaust and then slammed the door shut in the faces of those “lucky” enough to have survived the Holocaust. Ireland also gave the world the delightful spectacle of The Limerick Pogrom where the good natives of that town expelled the Jews. And by the time some of those Jews would have washed up in Israel they’d have had ringing in their ears the sound of Ireland’s government expressing its condolences to the people of Germany on the death of Hitler. And just in case, perchance, the message as to what type of people we are hadn’t got through we then made ourselves the only nation in Europe to, post war, erect an imposing monument to, and of, a Nazi collaborator. We did this not once, but twice.

    And, and, it just so happens, nothing of course to do with Irish attitudes to Jewry of course, that we were the last European nation to establish a formal diplomatic mission with Israel. Something which we managed in between our habitual condemnation and denigration of the Jewish state. There’ll be plenty to object to the inferences I’m making but not a one of you can or will (be able) to dispute the facts.

    Does this explain all Irish hostility to Israel? Certainly not. The fact is that it is honestly difficult for young Irish people t grow up any different, the well has been poisoned so completely in Ireland that educationally they’re denied facts and the media, especially the so called quality like the Irish Times, is so hilariously one sided that they’ve barely got a chance. That’s why I think the most rabid, foam at the mouth anti Israeli types on this thread. Frankly they’re Israel’s greatest hope of getting a fair hearing. The incongruence, the contradictions, and the sheer obsessiveness of these people is so unsettling they undermine their own position better than any avid pro Israel advocate ever could. Not forever will people buy the line that “I’m not an antisemite I’m just a critic of Israel.” After a while people wonder why we have so many energetic critics of Israel and there seems such a shortage of critics of, say, Sudan, Indonesia, Iran, or Malaysia, the very epitome of an Apartheid State. The epitome of an Apartheid State but core to the anti Israel Lobby in Ireland funding as it does the nautical excursions of Irish “peace” activists every year they try to set sail to Gaza. Puzzingly these boys and girls seem completely unbothered at the Apartheid conditions inflicted by the Malay majority on the minority ethnic Chinese or Indians.

    It a curious thing, isn’t it, this Irish enthusiasm for working hand in hand with the racist and sectarian Malaysian establishment to launch a broadside at Israel. The principal cheerleader and one of the funders of the Rachel Corrie boat used by those Irish “peace activists” is none other than former Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad. Here’s Mahathir Mohamad on jews:

    ‘”Jewish stinginess and financial wizardry gained them commercial control of Europe and provoked anti-Semitism which waxed and waned in Europe throughout the ages.” He also wrote that “the Jews for example are not merely hook-nosed, but understand money instinctively.” (Sydney Morning Herald, October 17, 1997)

    or

    October-November 1997: Mahathir claimed to have “definite information” that financier George Soros, whom he identified as a Jew, was responsible for Malaysia’s currency problems. He stated:
    We do not want to say that this is a plot by the Jews, but in reality it is a Jew who triggered the currency plunge, and coincidentally Soros is a Jew. It is also a coincidence that Malaysians are mostly Moslem. Indeed, the Jews are not happy to see Moslems progress. If it were Palestine, the Jews would rob Palestinians. Thus this is what they are doing to our country.

    There’s no end to this material and that by no means necessarily the worst I could find, it is though the handiest, and yet these Irish peace activists, of such high principal, saw nothing to bother them in accepting this guys support, which of course wouldn’t be motivated by antisemitism (oh no, perish the thought)? Really?

  • Yup, they’re all out in force today. The clueless, the witless, the brainwashed, and the anti-Semites. Out in force too, which is a good thing in my book. One of the glorious things about comment threads which get hit with as much in the way of defamation and smears as this one is that ordinary people get a peek back stage at the ugliness which underpins the anti Israel lobby.

    I should know, I was once one of them. Actually I do myself a disservice by saying that, I was never “one of them: in the sense that some of the people on this thread are, I was one of them who, in essence, believed that the only thing holding up a new age of Aquarius in the Middle East was Israel. I really believed that if only Israeli’s could see, as I did, that the Palestinians only wanted self determination, the same as Israel had, then all would be well.

    But like a lot of decent people, over time, I began to worry a little about my fellow, for want of a better term, “peace activists.” There was a troubling enthusiasm among them to smear the state of Israel along the same lines that anti-Semites throughout Europe (not just Germany) applied to the Jews openly up until the holocaust. Israel was constantly spoken of in terms once reserved for International “Jewry.”

    Israel was cast as a disrupter of peace, a hidden hand among nations which used powers greater than itself to it’s gain and to their detriment, Israel’s “so called defensive actions were really a pretext for harvesting the organs of young Palestinians (A smear popularized by that centre of “right on” causes and hipness The Guardian) and on and on. After a while even those of us preconditioned to be sympathetic to the Palestinians begin to have our doubts. Doubts about the soundness of the arguments we based our beliefs upon and most of all serious doubts and very serious misgivings about the true motivations of so many in the Anti Israel Lobby. Some of us would then decide to read some “unapproved material” i.e. the work of historians like Professor Bernard Lewis, Martin Gilbert and even the arch socialist (once upon a time it wasn’t socialist scripture to hate Israel) war correspondent Martha Gelhorn. You see, once you stay within the very carefully tended walled garden of “approved reading” such as Bob Fisk, Jon (or John or whatever way he spells his name these days) Philger, Michael Moore and so on, all this anti Israel(i) stuff not only seems correct, it seems to become your duty to retail it and to advocate against Israel.

    It seems correct, but it’s not and as time passes more people are coming to the same realisation. While, for example, there was much disapproval, among people whose motives I accept to be honorable and decent, for the casualty count in Operation Cast Lead in Gaza those same people, despite the shocking once sided media coverage (take a bow Irish Times), are capable of distinguishing between collateral damage in a war and a war where the means AND the end is the destruction of civillians i.e. the type of war conducted by Arabs and Palestinians (I distinguis between the two for sake of avoiding argument only, Palestinians are Arabs and regard themselves as Arabs). Even Irish people understand, in the almost impossible to envisage scenario, that were the Irish Military to have to respond to constant rocket attacks on it’s civillians in Dundalk which were being mounted from across the border from Newry then such a response would be impossible without collateral damage. Would Irish people accept a “do nothing” suck it up alternative course of action? No! Not in a million years. Restraint in the face of attack is ok for thee (when thee is Israel) but not for me (when me is Ireland).

    To return to where I started out from, my pleasure at the tone and content of the Anti Israeli posting on this comment thread. The overwhelming majority of people who read articles like this don’t comment and don’t vote up or down. They do though read and as I’ve long ago had my conversion from a position of Pro Palestinian advocacy to one of being a Pro Israel advocate I am satisfied that the content and tone of the Pro Palestinians on this comment thread will do more to shift people closer the the position I occupy than anything I could ever write. Decent people begin to get a queasy feeling in the pit of their stomachs at some of the types of material on display here and for that I really do extend my most since things to all of you but especially to:

    Aoifeaine de Barra
    Conor Molloy
    D Griff
    Mata Mata
    WillLynch
    Paddy O’Reilly
    And the splendidly named, Deasun Mac An Choiligh

    Thanks guys, you and your, ahem, material will win over more people to the cause of Israel than I, or for that matter Ambassador Modai, ever will. Have a great L’Shanah Tovah kids.

    • I think that when you started calling people clueless, witless and brainwashed you turned the vast majority of people off. As for being anti Semites well there are exceptions to the rule but the vast majority of people comment on Israel and not on Judaism. In fact as WillLynch pointed out “It’s not a Jewish lobby but an Israeli lobby”. The people commenting here are commenting on Israel and not on what Israelis believe in so by playing the religious card and the anti-Semitic accusation it would seem to me that you are more interested in trying to silence people with a racist accusation more than anything else. This is a common tactic used to silence critics but luckily enough the people on here are more thick skinned. Sticks and stones……….

    • Is the West Bank a Country?
      Is the West Bank part of Israel?
      Do the ‘citizens’ of the West Bank have the right to vote for representation in the Israeli parliament?
      What really made you change your point of view so drastically?
      I will never be anti Jewish or anti Israeli, but I will tell you this if Israel do not respect the rights of their fellow Semites who reside between the Mediterranean and Dead Seas then I will become less and less interested in Israel’s plight. And really Israel is in a tough position and should be reaching out and getting the support of countries like Ireland. Instead Israelis who think like you come out with this whole Ireland-is-against-us and typical-response-from-Ireland attitude and never ask why: Why has a country like Ireland left Israel out in the cold? Do you not see what is happening? Israel is becoming very isolated and lonely.
      You can ask yourself why this is the case? but it is not because the Irish are anti Israel.

    • “The clueless, the witless, the brainwashed, and the anti-Semites”
      Yes, you were one of them, then.. Alleluia! And the light slowly descended
      upon you and the truth was revealed to you.

      What seems ridiculous to me is that anyone who speaks out
      against some of the Israeli governments unjust policies on the
      Palestinians gets labelled by many as “clueless”, “brainwashed” “anti-Semite” etc
      and that people like me and who are on your list above have it in for Jews and
      Israelis everywhere. Absolute tosh!

      I spent 3months in Israel. I found the average Joe/Jane Israeli to be as
      fine a person as you would find anywhere in the world.

      It’s George Bush philosophy ‘You’re either with us or your against us’

      What I find disgusting are the Israeli governments policies on Palestine.
      So, spare the well worn label of anti-Semite etc.

      You say
      “Decent people begin to get a queasy feeling in the pit of their stomachs at some of the types of material on display here”
      Indeed, I believe they will.

      Regarding your list,
      would you be so good as to add my name to that list,
      I’d be honoured to be seen to be associated with them.

  • Many thanks to Ambassador for a great article.
    As to the fact why some states generate criticizm and generally high emotions and other don’t – it has many origins (and we would have to deal with them individually in each case and that is impossible here). But it never adds up – the publicity and the facts on ground. There was time when European intelectuals were prising Soviet Union (look at Sartre for example) – at the time when millions of people were murdered there. There is and was much prising of China with disregard of the time of “cultural revolution”, great famine and with disregard of occupation of Tibet. Not much publicity about South Sudan – with atrocities and genocide going on for 30 years (done by Northern part ), and how many of you clearly remember or even heard about Haile Selassie or Bokassa or Idi Amin Dada? Many support Palestine, some gay moves included – but in Gaza homosexuality is punished by death so why do they want their co-brothers executed? Publicity is fible thing as people often don’t bother to check the facts (even widely available). What they do check however is the countries they want to live in if they want to move. And look! People are voting with their legs! Many run from communist countries to the West risking their lives but apart from some group of misinformed communists in 30s who all, without exceptions, finished in gulags, nobody ever run into communist country. People run from Cuba to the USA and not the other way round. People from Erithrea, Ethiopia (not only Jews from Ethiopia), South Sudan risk their lives to escape to Israel like to a promised land. I haven’t heard so far about many refugees to Palestine. And it is not only about living conditions. There are far worse places to live than Gaza (and even more it applies to West Bank), it is about freedom. Being pro-Palestinian in Israel is perfectly legal though not very popular, just the hint of suspicion of being pro-Israeli in Gaza puts you on the death row for fast execution….

  • My conclusion after reading these comments ostensibly written by Irish, I’d that we are nation if ignorant, pro-Arab, begrudging, hypocritical c@$ts. The mist ignorant amongst us feel the need to pick the perceived underdog in any conflict as the just. Very Irish indeed. We are doomed to fail over and over as long as we conflate humanism and pacifism. My contention is that by proxy, you pro-Hizbollah Irish are unwitting and ignorant terrorists of the worst order with blood in your hands and hell in your future.