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Column: Political parties rarely become extinct – which is why Fianna Fáil is back in business

Voters tend to place more emphasis on current events than previous ones, so it’s no surprise Fianna Fáil has returned, writes Theresa Reidy.

Image: Sam Boal/Photocall Ireland

FIANNA FÁIL HAS been making slow but steady progress in opinion polls in the last 12 months, prompting quiet satisfaction in some quarters, disbelief among others, and nothing short of horror in some of the more vocal corners of Twitter.

Individual opinion polls give us an impression of the political scene but a series of polls gives a much stronger and more reliable picture of the overall trend in party support.

Several polls have now put Fianna Fail on an upward trajectory. The really interesting poll was the latest Red C Sunday Business Post one, as it has been tracking party support on a monthly basis for some years now.

‘Fianna Fáil is a systemic party in our party system’

Fianna Fáil’s recovery is not unexpected but their return to the top position in some of the recent polls is perhaps a little surprising, especially coming so soon after its worst election result in history. But there are a variety of reasons why a resurgent Fianna Fáil should have been expected.

Political parties rarely become extinct. Political history tells us that although politics is an evolutionary process, systemic parties – once they are established – rarely disappear. Fianna Fáil is a systemic party in our party system. It has its origins in the foundation of the state and emerged at a time when the dynamics of political party competition were being established. As a consequence, it became embedded at the centre of political competition over the last ninety years. It is rare that these types of parties are wiped out.

During the 2011 election coverage, many pointed to the Christian Democrats in Italy and the Progressive Conservatives in Canada as examples of parties that have gone out of business. In the Canadian case, the party was undone by a deep recession and accompanying sharp rise in unemployment. The Italian example had more to do with the collapse of Communism in Europe and corruption scandals which bedevilled the party and its members, eventually leading to its disbandment.

What both of these stories do not tell us is that many former members of these parties are in parliament, and even in government, to this day. The parties reorganised, merged with other movements and have returned to power in both cases.

Lack of a friendly merger option

The Progressive Conservatives joined with the Canadian Alliance to become the Conservative Party of Canada. It was returned to power in 2006 and now has a majority government. The Christian Democrats fractured more widely but a significant group of former Christian Democrat personnel joined Silvio Berlusconi’s Forza Italia party and went on to serve again in government. In both examples, it’s a case of the party is dead, long live the party.

Fianna Fáil has avoided a merger with another political movement possibly accounted for by its massive unpopularity and the lack of a friendly merger option. It was so unpopular for a time that no other party would have contemplated merging with it and there are few options in any case.

More importantly though, the depth of the economic recession has forced the government to implement deeply unpopular economic decisions with sharp budget cuts and tax rises, the order of the day. It continues to preside over a massive unemployment crisis. Research on Irish politics has shown for many decades that unemployment is the most salient issue for Irish voters. Consequently, it is not surprising that the government parties have seen their support levels shrink in the past months.

Voters are myopic

Now you may say that Fianna Fáil played a role in bringing about the worst recession in living memory and this is largely indisputable, but this brings us to another truism of politics – voters are generally myopic. This means that they place more emphasis on current events than previous ones. While Fianna Fáil may have been responsible for the economic mistakes of the past, the current government parties are bearing responsibility for the economic decisions of today. For voters, what happens in the present carries more weight.

In the absence of any new political parties, voters that temporarily drifted to Labour and Fine Gael have moved in a couple of directions; towards Fianna Fail, support for Independents continues to grow and, of course, several polls have told us that in the region of one third of voters remain undecided about their voting intention.

Again, the high number of undecided voters is not out of the ordinary. International evidence tells us that the number of voters that decide during an election campaign, and even in the days before polling, has grown considerably in recent decades. It is one of the reasons why there can be sharp movements in party support levels during a campaign.

The return of Fianna Fáil is not a surprise and the speed of their return probably tells us more about the innate conservatism and path dependent voting behaviour of Irish voters.

Dr Theresa Reidy is a political scientist at UCC.

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Comments (104 Comments)

  • “Voters are largely myopic” should be rephrased to “people are unbelievably stupid”

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  • we need to completely rid ourselves of civil war parties, it has stopped the natural politic in this country for the last 90 years. we determine our politics by which side our forefathers fought on in a civil war when we should be forming ideas based on our thinking on right, left and centre ideals. what we have are two main right of centre parties in government since this state began with no difference between them, actually there is a difference, fianna fail are rotten to the core and fine gael are incompetent, but there isin’t a hares breadth between them policy wise. if fianna fail we in government today they would be following the exact same policies are fine gael are implementing.
    its time for a new way of running this country, far from the gombeen son taking over from the gombeen father because hes a great lad and fixes the roads.
    we need to break with the old

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  • Good article. The argument makes sense. I wish it didn’t though!

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  • It’s amazing that so many people seem to have forgotten what Fianna Fáil did. If it translates to seats at the next election we are in trouble. The people will get the government they deserve…..

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    • What did we do wrong to get the present bunch of liars?
      Labour’s way or Frankfurts way.
      Enda’s five point plan.

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    • Many ordinary working people voted for Fine Gael for a ‘change’. And now they are surprised they are getting screwed. If any had read the fg manifesto they would have seen they are a right wing wealth minding party.
      As fg have the majority of seats they have the majority of say in government. That’s what coalition is. I don’t think labour should have went in with them, labour will suffer for many years and may never recover, but if fg were in with independents things would be even worse.
      Ordinary working people should not be voting right…..

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    • @ Eric Nolan:
      wrong -
      people have now seen what FG/Labour are like
      some of knew, as a result of experiencing them in the past.
      & people now realise that FG/Labour would probably have been even worse than FF, had they been in power, before the economic meltdown.

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    • @Michael O’Toole

      Fianna Fáil destroyed our economy and every citizen of this country will be paying for it for a very long time. Fianna Fáil were proven to be completely incompetent, and that is putting it nicely.
      You may wish to paint over what Fianna Fáil has done to us all, as well as our children but I for one will never forget.

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    • FG/Labour are & always have been incompetent, arrogant & dishonest
      some of us predicted that they would not keep their pre-election promises – wasn’t difficult to predict !
      some of us have experienced them in past governments,
      based on their present performance & their performance in opposition during the ‘celtic tiger’ era, many now have come to the conclusion that they would have been worse than FF, had they won the 2008 election.
      you can’t see that – perhaps you’re myopic.
      BTW – i don’t intend voting nr 1 FF in the next election, but i’ll give them a higher transfer than FG/Labour.
      i’ll give everyone a higher transfer than FG/Labour.

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    • You don’t seem to have ready comments, I strongly oppose Fine Gael and all they stand for.
      How you can gloss over what Fianna Fáil has done to our country is beyond me. I hope the ‘we’ you keep referring to aren’t too strong in number.

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    • @ Eric Nolan:
      “You don’t seem to have ready comments,” ???
      ” I strongly oppose Fine Gael and all they stand for”, too,
      & Labour, who join up with them in Government at every opportunity.
      i don’t “gloss over what Fianna Fáil has done to our country”, but the evidence indicates to me that FG/Labour would have been worse.
      i suspect that you may not have experienced previous FG/Labour governments as i have, & i can assure you that the leopard hasn’t changed it’s skin.
      the only time FG/Labour were not at the bottom of my ballot paper was when the PDs were in existence,
      & the arrogance, incompetence & dishonesty of the present FG/Labour lot is every bit as bad as i had expected.
      that’s the reason people are returning to FF
      no mystery about it – at all – at all !!

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    • It should have read ‘you don’t seem to have read my comments’.
      You started by saying ‘wrong’, and then using a straw man argument argueing against things I never said. I have never defended fg and you are simply trying to put words in my mouth. Try reading my first comment again and tell me why you commented disagreeing with?

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    • Well said Jenny your 100 pc correct with your point there.

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    • @ Eric Nolan:
      you say -
      ” Try reading my first comment again and tell me why you commented disagreeing with?”

      well – you said – “It’s amazing that so many people seem to have forgotten what Fianna Fáil did. If it translates to seats at the next election we are in trouble”

      i don’t believe that people have forgotton at all “what Fianna Fáil did”
      & i believe that with FG/Labour in government after the next election, we’d be in much the same “trouble” as if FF were in.
      i know that you’re against FF & FG
      i don’t know who you’re for, or which party/parties you wish to see in government after the next election -
      my guess is that you may be a Labour hack, & your preference may still beFG/Labour for government.

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    • Wrong

      You make assumptions about what you think I think, based on nothing I said. It’s impossible to debate with that. You should try responding to what is actually said rather than deciding you know other people’s opinions better than themselves. I don’t believe there should be a governmental role for either fg or ff, and as long as people pick either or, things will never get better.

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  • FF doing so well because the present lot have lied and broken so many promises.The last election was FF’s to lose there was no need for lies,but politician’s just help themselves.Pat Rabbitte case in point on the Week in Politics.

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    • I actually dont believe they have lied!!!
      In truth, I think the current Goverment have to roll back on handout after handout that was made by sucessive FF led Goverments… Truth is that If the current Goverment free us from out ecomonic masters, get some level of growth in the economy and reduce unemployment to say 10-11% by 2016 then this will have been a huge achievement!!!
      I am not convinced that if we had an election in the morning that the current Goverment would not be returned…
      What did people think? That we would not have to make cuts? We borrow money to pay for our services so therefore we all have to pay!!! We cant rely on bond holders to pay for our 50% of people on medical cards or high levels of dole or grant after grant… FF used money taken from Bond Holders to through at us idiots in order to buy election after election…
      Enda Kenny has the unenviable task of undoing that mess… Time will be kind to him…

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    • Kenny will go down in history as the fool who continued FF policies because he had no ideas of his own. You’re right that he’ll be in the ha’penny place compared to Cowen, Lenihan and co but what consolation is that?

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    • u are so right jenny. i voted andrew doyle 1. in wicklow rang his office to day spoke to a lady who works there; was so supprised??? she was not one bit interested in what i wanted to say. that said fool me 0nce not twice. so ANDREW here is one family who wont be voting for you again.

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  • tom 25/02/13 #

    Its always been a two horse race and unless a there is a massive shift to SF it always will be. Power sharing is self destructive for the smaller parties as the greens discover and Lab will at next election.

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  • The country has know for many, many years that ff were corrupt and power hungry…but still voted in again and again…why, because we know that they are that way
    Unlike the greens and especially labour, who, when in opposition, constantly promised change when they got in, it will be so different, policies that benefit the ordinary citizen.
    And surprise surprise, are the same as fianna fail!!!

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  • Thats what Brian Lenihan meant when he said ( laughing) that he had left a few landmines for incoming government. eg. property tax, water etc. Irish have memories of goldfish- a full 3 minutes !

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  • There the shower that got is in this mess. It’s great how quickly people forget the past. And we all know what happens to those who fail to remember the past.

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  • A brain dead electorate helps.

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  • Those who forget the past are doomed to repeatedly re elect Fianna Fail. Of course this could also be some very clever people trying to scare Fianna Gail into being gentle with the budgets.

    Surely no one would ever vote in those Fianna Fail idiots again.

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  • One question for Fianna Fáil supporters on here. Do you support the Property/ Bondholder tax?

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  • Knowledge is knowing FF is a political party, wisdom is not f**king voting them in again! You will see a new party born before the next election

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  • The revival is neither surprising nor a result of forgetful or stupid voters. It is in keeping with a political model advanced day in and day out. http://colummccaffery.wordpress.com/2013/02/10/theres-nothing-surprising-in-the-return-of-support-for-ff/

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  • people who voted for fianna fail before willing to do so again news at 11

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  • Strange how so many comments refer to people considering voting for FF as idiots yet given they got close to 40% of the vote in 2007 it’s a reasonable assumption they many of the people commenting voted for FF.
    Yes of course FF made massive mistakes but people forget its the same party that turned Ireland from a backward stagnant economy in the 1960s to the modern economy it is now.
    People have to right to vote for FF without been called idiots or stupid, just as people have the right to vote for SF without been accused of supporting of supporting the activities of the IRA in the past.
    Now I await been called an idiot or abusive comment for having praised FF.

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  • I’ve a feeling Fg/labrador are keeping the banking guarantee investigation up their sleeves until nearer the elections to remind the 26% of goldfish just what happens when Ff are in power.
    Hoping for a new party or a decapitated labour to be around by then myself.

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  • Do people forget that all f fail leaders end up disgraced

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    • did Lemass end up disgraced or jack Lynch – unfortunately there are no Lemasses or Jack Lynches around now or Garret Fitzgearld – waht we have largley is Obedient Dross – obedient to Troika – and screw the Irish People .

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  • Rarely but still possible, I hope!

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    • The Greens are rightly extinct, and FF should follow. And if the current bunch don’t drastically improve they should also be wiped out. And this course of action should continue until the party corrupt lying policies are a thing of the past. Voting is the only way get at these guys. Seriously Damaging FF would have been sweeter had half of them not retired the last time round, but the likes of vradkar won’t be retiring anytime soon, so voting him out would have huge consequences for him, similar to the crap they are dishing out to us!

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  • You get what you vote for! In the Gombeen nation it’s government of the gombeens, by gombeens for gombeens. The civil war politics parties and the champagne socialists are all the same they just wear different badges and until Irish people grow up and start looking for alternatives to these nepotistic dynasties who seem to think Dail seats are some sort of family heirloom then the country will continue to be a dysfunctional basket case whose biggest export is it’s young!

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  • How come nobody is talking about the banks in Ireland don’t have and have never had a licence to trade…… Don’t believe me go into your bank and ask to see there licence to trade, they can’t show you , or go to Facebook and look at Tom darys page. You’ll be very enlightened.

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  • Good news (for FF) travels fast. Mary Hanafin was on Newstalk today and she’s sniffing around her old seat.

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  • Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

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  • When will people realise only a minority are in a very bad financial state in this country. Fianna fáil supporters never went away. Vast swathes of farmers, business people and well heeled public servants are more than willing to vote them back in. Oh and on a more trivial matter… I went out for dinner with a friend on Saturday night… ( I am working and mortgage free so have a good disposable income) well known restaurant and hotel in leixlip… we had to wait 40 minutes to get a table. The place was heaving… I said to the waitress why was it so busy and she said its packed every night… she joked there was no recession around leixlip! And it aint a cheap place either… where’s the austerity or only 100 euro a month after bills paid?? Like the extinction of Fianna fail I think these hard times are greatly exaggerated! !

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  • Anyone that votes for FF, should be put against a wall and Peed on. Then shot!

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    • Nce Stephen.. I am no fan of FF… In fact i see them as a cult more than a party… I know loads of good honest people who for some reason are drawn to them… Its like a religion of something… But it is dying.. There was a time when FF had a core vote of 45%… Thats dead now.. its about 20% with a floating vote of maybe 10% depending on their fight with SF…
      All that said… that kinda of comment you left is just pure ignorant and says more about you than FF

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    • Ah yes declan, your no fan of ff but? You haven’t even the courage, to say you are and hide behind an egg like a chicken. I am ignorant, for having contempt for people who’d put these conmen back in power. After what they’ve put us all through, ‘Good honest people’ voting for a party of crooks! That’s a new one, thanks for the laugh!

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  • MrKnow 25/02/13 #

    And that’s way we Irish are the laughing stock of the world.

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    • I travel quite a bit with work and the world may be laughing at you, MrKnow, but not at the rest of us. The Irish are as much respected as we always have been I’m afraid.
      In fact, on 17th of next month, a large percentage of the western world will celebrate the Irish people and culture.
      But carry on putting us Irish down, the majority of the world will simply ignore you.

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    • Because we “took one for the team” (ROFL)

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    • Agree with you Danny… But in truth the world has huge respect for out current Goverment…No question that we were seen as a laughing stock towards the end of previous regime.. I was in US when Jay Leno took piss out Brian C… No question that our international rep was damaged significantly…
      Thankfully much of this has been restored..not that Enda Kenny will get an ounce of credit on here for it

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    • censored 25/02/13 #

      Really? They all think the gathering is a great idea as well.

      Kool-aid: 50 euros a litre.

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    • @danny Mc Loughlin
      ”on 17th of next month, a large percentage of the western world will celebrate the Irish people and culture.”

      so waht the heck ??. will this reduce the emigration – stop child benifeit cuts , cuts to medical services – pay cuts , pension funds being robbed to pay off failed banks .
      F ##k Paddy day – and the fools who celebrate being robbed .

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  • The establishment parties have only themselves & there cronies at the heart of there policies! Sinn Fein have fought for the ordinary people since 1909 & continue to put the people first, so the notion of no alternative to the status quo is a myth!

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    • For many it’s no “credible” alternatives esp when it comes to SF

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    • 1905 Malachy!

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    • Bit selective there Malachy. What you mean is that SF have stood up for people as long as they agreed with SF and what turns people off them is that those who didn’t agree were, for 30 long years, at risk of being shot or bombed. Credibility comes with truthfulness, a problem SF have from Gerry downwards.

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    • There is very few Parties on this Island that has not been involved in armed conflict but unfortunately if the free state had not abandoned the nationalist then there would not been a reason for conflict. We are now for the first time ever at a moment in our islands history when we can all focus our efforts on creating a just & equal society but this is at odds with the status quo … This why we must redouble our efforts to change our society for the better!

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    • I agree 100% Mal …people will slowly come to realise that SF will serve them better than the greedy gits in FF/FG/LB

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  • Just like the cold sore virus…..

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  • Maybe the g**s****s in this country want them to arrange for the building of more tax incentive housing estates and hotels.

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  • Pity. It would be a great opportunity to punish uselessness and incompetence.

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  • don’t matter who in…its going one way,you really think they give a shit who’s top dog,its all planed out,

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  • Can people on this issue remember the core issue? Please. The point was how Political Parties do not become extinct, one person has correctly identified Democratic Left although this may now be identified with labour. How about the PD’s and to a lesser extent , the Grens. Would the author of this rubbish get real?

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    • Are the core leaders of Labour orignally Democratic Left,Gimore Rabbitte and Lynch.Open to correction of course.

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    • No, Rory. The point was not about political parties not becoming extinct. The point was about systemic political parties not becoming extinct. FF, FG, Labour and SF are the only systemic parties in the Irish political system. All others mentioned, possibly with the minor exception of the PDs, were/are not systemic and either died outright or merged. That is precisely the process outlined in the article.

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    • Rory — Ya big lazy lump! You clearly didn’t read the article!

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  • what about the greens aint they extinct ?

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  • Those vote No1 posters have a whole new dimension to them now.

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  • Pds Aontacht Eireann, the Workers Party, Democratic Left?

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  • Ask democratic left.

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  • “Political parties rarely become extinct”. What happened to the P.D’s?

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