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Reform to self-employed PRSI contributions could be “too expensive”

Despite earlier promises that PRSI contributions for self-employed people would be reformed, the Department of Social Protection says it would have “significant financial implications”.

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A PROPOSAL THAT would see business owners allowed to pay a voluntary additional PRSI payment may be too costly to implement.

Last February, Minister for Social Protection Joan Burton stated PRSI contributions for self-employed people “can and will be reformed by the end of the year”.

Speaking on RTE’s The Frontline she stated that the self-employed currently cannot voluntary pay extra contributions that would contribute to their social welfare entitlements. As it stands, self-employed business owners pay 4 per cent PRSI.

However, reform to PRSI contributions may be on the back burner, despite Minister Burton stating that change would take place by the end of the year.

A spokesperson for the Department of Social Protection told TheJournal.ie that the Advisory Group on Tax and Social Welfare is considering the issue of social welfare entitlements for the self-employed adding that:

Any measure to provide short-term benefits to those who are self-employed would have significant financial implications.

They added that any decision made in relation to voluntary PRSI contributions would “would have to be considered within a budgetary context”.

The Small Firms Association (SFA) made a pre-Budget 2012 submission meeting with Minister for Finance Michael Noonan, arguing that those business owners who are willing to pay a voluntary additional PRSI payment should be allowed do so, in order that they may qualify for all social welfare benefits as their employees do.

Patricia Callan of the SFA said the proposal was “positively received” stating that in order to encourage entrepreneurs, self-employed people should get as much protection as their employees if a business fails.

Speaking to TheJournal.ie she said she has had “ongoing discussions with the representative from Department of Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation on this Group, who says that whilst there is political support for the proposal, it will come down to the cost of provision”. She added:

Whilst that analysis is ongoing, it looks like being too expensive to get through.

However, she said that this was still a “top priority issue for implementation” to the SFA. She said:

Notwithstanding that, we have included it again in our own pre-budget submission for Budget 2013 to Minister Noonan, and SFA Chairman, Ian Martin, made a presentation on this at the last meeting of the Government’s Advisory Group on Small Business in July, which is chaired by Minister for Small Business, John Perry TD, with a view to it being included in the Government’s Action Plan for Jobs, which is due to be published in early October.

The social insurance fund that provides for social welfare payments faces a significant shortfall.

Earlier this week, Labour’s Joan Burton and Fine Gael’s Brian Hayes were in disagreement on how to plug the fund’s shortfall with Ms Burton favouring an increase in PRSI contributions while Minister Hayes favoured a reduction in social welfare.

Asked whether he was of the opinion that this initiative is something that would create jobs and encourage more people to start new businesses the Minister for Small Business, John Perry said:

Along with other matters, this is a matter that will be discussed by the Cabinet in relation to Budget 2013 over the coming weeks, the Cabinet will then make its decision collectively and announce these decisions in due course.

The Department of Social Protection stated that Minister Burton was unavailable for interview on the issue adding:

In relation to Budget 2013, no decisions have been taken as no Cabinet discussions have taken place with regard to the Budget.

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Comments (20 Comments)

  • Too expensive? How in the name of god can it be “to expensive” to allow the self employed the option of paying Class “A” prsi contributions instead of Class “S” contributions???? It’s simply a matter of ticking a box on a form.

    If they can’t manage adding an extra box to a form how are they going to manage the FG promise of introducing a flat tax rate for micro businesses?? Or have they forgotten about that pre-election promise altogether??

    What a shambles this pathetic government is. They are absolutely useless. The sooner we’re rid of them, the better.

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  • It’s absolutely shocking that self employed employers do not get the same protection as employees. This is harmful and nonsensical discrimination that discourages enterprise and growth. Utterly rage inducing!

    Down with that sort of thing Minister Burton! Cop the hell on!

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    • @Kitty, what Minister Burton also failed to say is that self employed people pay income tax at about €8K and PAYE pay income tax at around €16 as self employed do not get a PAYE allowance. Basically self employed people are paying tax on an income less than the dole of around €9.7K per annum.

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    • @eugene, that doesn’t sound right at all. Paye allowance isn’t a lot so self employed have similar tax allowance. the amount of tax you pay as self employed can be much more than that of an employee just on the higher income.
      I personally would be better saving the extra prsi than paying. Considering I pay in tax the salary I would have got gross as an employee I think I should get dole on that alone not charged more for it. Prsi as a deciding factor just doesn’t seem fair given tax paid

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    • Kal as self employed you get a tax credit of 1650 and as paye its 3350 for a single person. Take 16k salary multiplied by 20% tax rate equates to 3200 tax. If you deduct the 1650 tax credit for self employed they have to pay 1550 income tax where the paye employee has the capacity to earn another 100 euro before they start paying income tax.

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    • It’s 3300 for single person paye tax credit not 3350

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  • Surprise, surprise… Yet another promise broken…

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  • you can be sure that the increase Burton is talking about will be borne by the very people who cannot themselves avail of the social welfare safety net, the employers. This will not help to create employment.

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    • The tipping point for a sustainable society is when the number of voting state dependents (Public service and Welfare receivers) passes out the number of voting tax and PRSI contributors (Employers and Workers)

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    • You do realise civil servants pay prsi? We also actually need them to do their jobs. It isn’t like they were hired for votes.
      There is something wrong with a system where you can pay more tax as a self employed but can’t get the dole when things change.

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  • The difference between paying class A or class S on €350 per week is approx €50 extra per week. This is a rough estimate, it depends on your circumstances. It can be very easily worked out and most self employed people would jump at the chance to pay it.
    I think the reason the govt is trying to do something about this situation is that court cases have been brought in the UK and it has been found that class s payments ( or the uk equivalent) is unconstitutional.

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  • iBob101 24/08/12 #

    In the US it has been found that a large part of employment creation each year comes from small and relatively new businesses. So if an employee is made redundant and is considering sertimg up a business then apart from all the other hurdles (finding money, risking his own money, dealing with red tape) he’s got, he now gets told by this government that its “too expensive” to let him pay normal PRSI to cover the dole if he fails. Maybe instead he should forget about starting his business and go straight to the dole.

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  • Brian Hayes has to be the biggest ever fool in politics! At no time have I ever heard this man say something that didn’t make me angry! It’s no wonder the country is struggling, when the likes of him gets a say in things .

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  • This gov needs to cop on. Raising hopes and not following thru is really morale sapping. It must be clear to the people with initiative that Ireland is a bad place to be. This mix of right wing and left wing Irish style is a joke. Next gen election ASAP.

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  • Feeds 24/08/12 #

    I understand self-employed are eligible for Jobseekers Allowance, but not Jobseekers Benefit? Aren’t they essentially the same, the difference being allowance is means-tested?

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