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Repeat experiments offer same result: CERN's neutrinos still faster than light

CERN’s physicists have ruled out one possible error in their measurements – and still find neutrinos travelling faster than light itself.

SCIENTISTS AT the world’s largest physics lab say they have ruled out a possible error which could have distorted their surprising measurements – which indicated that some sub-atomic particles can travel faster than light.

Physicists at CERN were sceptical when measurements by French and Italian researchers appeared to show neutrino particles breaking what Albert Einstein considered to be the ultimate speed barrier – by travelling a fraction faster than light.

Now CERN says more precise testing has confirmed the accuracy of at least one part of the experiment – adding credibility to the earlier findings which had surprised the scientific world.

The Geneva-based body said today that scientists changed the way the neutrino’s departure time was measured and got the same results, “ruling out one potential source of systematic error.”

The result would shatter a fundamental theory of physics – that nothing can travel faster than light itself – which has underpinned modern scientific thinking for over a century.

“A measurement so delicate and carrying a profound implication [for] physics requires an extraordinary level of scrutiny,” the president of Italy’s Institute for Nuclear Physics, Fernando Ferroni, said.

OPERA – the collaboration behind the already-famous experiments – said the reruns would not be considered conclusive, and it is thought that the results will not be considered universally reliable unless the test conditions had been replicated in other conditions.

Additional reporting by AP

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    Mute Niall Sullivan
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    Sep 10th 2013, 11:59 AM

    Gilmore will be lucky to make it as leader to next years EU and local elections. He’ll certainly be gone after those results. One of the biggest political mistakes made by Gilmore was not backing Shortall in her dispute with Reilly.

    The vultures are circling Gilmore, you’re a dead man walking as Lab leader.

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    Mute Dermot Ryan
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    Sep 10th 2013, 12:07 PM

    Do you not see what’s coming Niall;
    we have been treated to the possibility of Fine Gael and Fianna Fail, and last sunday the suggestion of Sinn Fein and Fine Gael , they are preparing a fall on the sword for Labour , a big walkout , and then a “In the national interest ” let’s “save Ireland one of the other two coming in to put “manners on big bad Enda !
    Anything but an election before they have a “neutral budget ” in 2014 , a “we have turned the corner” budget in 2015 and finally a “Giveaway” budget in 2016. ; Anything but a general election , anything but that , the polls suggest there is too much support for independents at the moment ; Independents won’t be whipped and that which can’t be whipped is no good to the “bond (slavery) market”.

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    Sep 10th 2013, 11:52 AM

    Gilmore is a traitor to the labour party.

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    Mute Ryan'O
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    Sep 10th 2013, 11:57 AM

    And the people who voted labour #SellOut

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    Mute John Fagan
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    Sep 10th 2013, 12:17 PM

    Eamonn, go foreign for the rest of your life. Preferably Easter Island. Take Brian Cowen with you.

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    Mute Maurice Frazer
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    Sep 10th 2013, 12:48 PM

    Labour is a traitor to the working class

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    Mute Jim Lenihan
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    Sep 10th 2013, 1:50 PM

    labour are traitors to the irish people

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    Mute M
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    Sep 10th 2013, 11:57 AM

    I listened to the interview at the time, I think he has spent so much time out of the country he really has no idea what’s happening at home.

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    Sep 10th 2013, 1:19 PM

    He knows exactly what is happening. He is one of the architects of it. A quote from the interview: “Yes we will do what is necessary to get our public finances in in good order,” the Táiniste said. What he forgot to add was ‘regardless of the cost’

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    Mute Dermot Ryan
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    Sep 10th 2013, 12:00 PM

    Feel free to go anytime Eamon ; Syria is looking for a Good foreign Minister ; tuck the ould Nobel Prize under your arm and off you go, they’ll be delighted to see a man of such eloquence, integrity, charm , honesty and downright good guy genes; not to mention such vast experience on the international STAGE coming to their rescue;
    Here’s a slogan ;
    “Burn the jihadists” ..or “Not a chemical weapon more” ,or indeed “It’s Assad’s way not Washington’s way” .
    Go on now; toddle off !

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    Mute Scrap Croke Park1
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    Sep 10th 2013, 11:53 AM

    Not only will Labour be wiped out in locals and Europeans but also GE 2015/16

    Morgan Kelly wrote in 2011 that the recent GE was mundane and predictable but the 2016 one would be anything but.

    FF will not recover sufficiently by 2016 to have any chance of even being a junior coalition partner.

    Labour are a spent force and will have between 0 and 7 TDs

    SF are still too toxic for FG

    None of the newly formed parties seem to be making sufficient inroads to make them a credible force.

    All in all, FG must be surveying the destruction of the political landscape and grinning like Cheshire cats. Contemplating the holy grail – a FG majority government.

    This will definitely not happen, although FG will still be the largest of the established parties and will form the next govt.

    The question is, with whom?

    The group nobody seems to count as possible coalition partners are the Technical Group of Independents.

    In the 2016 GE independents will get a lot more first preference votes than ever and a lot more transfers too as people become increasingly polarized for one party or disallusioned with all of them. Many will take the first or second seat. If each constituency elected just one independent or new party candidate we’d have 40 in that group. 50+ is not beyond the bounds of possibility. If they achieve that and can unite, the next Taoiseach will be an independent TD.

    I think Morgan was correct. The 2016 election will be anything but mundane and predictable

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    Sep 10th 2013, 1:21 PM

    I think Morgan Kelly has only made one incorrect prediction.

    After the 2016 election the only option for Government without SF will be for a Grand Coalition of FG & FF.

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    Sep 10th 2013, 1:47 PM

    I don’t see FF and FF getting sufficient numbers to form a grand coalition. Even if they joined right now they’d have just 5 over a majority. I don’t see FF picking up many seats. I do see FG losing quite a few

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    Sep 10th 2013, 1:48 PM

    Freudian slip. *FG and FF

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    Mute John Wooldridge
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    Sep 10th 2013, 12:12 PM

    Make the most of it now gilmore! The countdown is on for you to be gone, hopefully for good. One less leech, unfortunately still entitled to a massive pension.

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    Sep 10th 2013, 12:06 PM

    Married to the state trough.

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    Sep 10th 2013, 12:29 PM

    I’d say most Labour members are glad to have him out of the country so they dont have to put up with his bullying whenever they voice an opinion.

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    Sep 10th 2013, 12:30 PM

    I wonder if he will squeeze in a trip to Peru before he gets pushed off the gravy train ?

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    Sep 10th 2013, 12:40 PM

    Is he dying his hair? It looks wile yellow in thon photographical.

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    Sep 10th 2013, 12:48 PM

    Like a ripe cornfield bowing before a gentle breeze :-)

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    Sep 10th 2013, 12:28 PM

    Dont trust a word from this trolls mouth.

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    Sep 10th 2013, 1:26 PM

    Listened to O Rourke,fair play to him..gave him a harder time than P.K…dissapointed he didnt grill him on his wifes appointment,and the ongoing salary breaches for advisers etc.!

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    Sep 10th 2013, 1:17 PM

    Could I suggest he move to become head of the Dole queue?

    Oh hold on that won’t work; he’s qualified for his Ministerial Pension.

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    Mute Brian O Cinneide
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    Sep 10th 2013, 1:44 PM

    He is not wedded to Foreign Affairs. Let us hpe that he is divorced from Dail Eireann after the next election.

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    Mute Jim Lenihan
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    Sep 10th 2013, 1:45 PM

    his next move is the dole and the sooner the better

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    Sep 10th 2013, 11:08 PM

    He’s not wedded to reality either it seems

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    Mute Seanjohn O Connor
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    Sep 10th 2013, 11:18 PM

    Well piss off Gilmore and give someone else the job ….ur useless .. You sold your soul..

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