That’s best comment on here

And Fr. Fintan Stack..

At least Jim McCann can sing.

And Henry the eighth!

Jeeeeeeeezzzz now that ye say it…..

And Pat Mustard.

Wonder does he play jungle music at 3 in the morning too???

There must be a full, sworn public inquiry into the neglect which led to the death of Sabita H.
Otherwise, it’s just the foxes discussing events in the henhouse.

lol, get a load of this guy, stop taking it out on us cos you have no wife to beat Garry

Angry man of the year award coming your way, we’re not worthy, we’re not wort

Angry man of the year award coming your way, we’re not worthy, we’re not worthy

and actually Garry I have 6 cells, I did have 7 before I replied to you

Wtf?? I made a special effort but no matter how drunk I get that comment still makes no sense

Crawl back under your bridge troll.

Ed O Standún was actually replying to an insanely stupid comment by Garry Fitzgerald, who then removed it & ran with his tail between his legs. The comment contained derogatory remarks about special needs individuals, – not very nice.

Thank you Moccy, you are a Gentleman

So typical in irish politics and society in general.
Topics and affairs etc are being debated and deliberated upon until the cows come home.
These deliberations rarely result in positive action or changes in legislation to resolve these issues.
Go into any irish pub and you will witness people complaining.
That is as far as it goes.
Being a little more proactive would go a long way.

Agree, what’s the story about two women who died in the Coombe within 48 hours of each other in October??? No mention of that????

Tend to agree with you Peter. We all have a collective responsibility after all the X case judgement was 20 years ago and we the people sat on our hands during that time.

@kerry/peter. I second that.

I also agree. We live in a democracy. We voted in the referendum. If it was the wrong result, and clearly it is, then we should have another referendum. After all, we can have them at the drop of a hat when it comes to EU treaty’s.

Thanks Eileen
A reply from the heart.

@eileen. Well said. It is disheartening to see that there have been many negative comments regarding this poor man’s courage to make a stand in seeking justice for his beloved wife.

Interesting use of the word justice. It seems to show you have already made up your mind. What if it is found that no medical intervention could have saved her? What would be justice then?

Eileen
What do you mean by the use of the word Justice. It is an interesting demand. Do you mean something beyond a public explanation of the circumstances in which this unfortunate lady died. I say this because justice implies some form of retribution or compensation or balancing action for the wrong that was done.
All of this suggests that the cause of death was something of a deliberate or negligent nature and for you woman to sit in judgement on this sad circumstance and to issue your sanctimonious findings on nothing more than gossip and malign thinking plus your own prejudice is appalling.
Where will you be if the findings of the various enquiries point directly at a patient who was admitted to a hospital with a condition that prevented surgical intervention as is very possible.
Oh no you prefer to hang the entire Medical Team in University Hospital Galway and you blatantly don’t want facts to get in the way of expressing your bile.
I surrender . I give up . I want to leave.

And where will you be Garry if the enquiries find that there was indeed negligence due to lack of legislation?

Garry just wants to be a contrary bastard, it does not matter what he thinks Eileen

Does anybody have a clue wtf Garry is talking about anyways?

Of course. Don’t pass judgment before anything is known about what happened. You, me and everyone else doesn’t know what happened. Simples!

I guess Garry your not a woman, who may be pregnant, who has been listening to this story unfolding and wondering what if she presents with a problem say at 17 weeks? Or someone like the lady in Cork who was receiving treatment for cancer and discovered she was pregnant? She is also dead now Garry the ethics committee down in Cork decided that the pregnancy could not be terminated or if you prefer the term aborted because her life was not in “immediate danger” but they stopped her treatment because she was pregnant. So maybe Garry rather then fixating on a word you might step back and realise that real people do die in Ireland because governments for the last 20 years have buried their collective responsibility to legislate based on the Supreme Courts judgement on the X case. Better you should ask your government when will they act.

Reggy Baby
Do you move in circles where this language is common among your lady friends. My dear friend you have a problem.

What are ‘Lady friends’?

Garry has pornovision

Happens in the Phillipines and Brazil on a daily basis Peter! both Catholic countrys too may I add, people are blaming Ireland and Irish law for all this, the thing is, we don’t know the facts, how do we know it’s the countrys fault? for all we know it could have been mal practice by the doctor. The law permitted him to remove the foetus if it was a threat to the mothers life, in this case he does not appear to have identified the mothers life as being in danger, but like everybody else, we will just have to wait for the facts to come out, trial of eachothers views by internet is not to change much.

@ Peter TBH I think your comment is more about you trying to bully other people over the internet for the things you have mis interpereting them as saying, i think you are just looking to start a row, not going to react, good luck.

Ed, I have checked. Neither the Philippines and Brazil have laws which place a woman at risk of death due to preservation of the foetus. I am not talking of standards of care but the intentional withholding of necessary life saving medical intervention. You offer no specifics and you offer no argument or reasoning why the supposed situation in other countries justifies what happened in Ireland.

Your statement that the law permits the removal of a foetus if the mother’s life is at risk fails to state that can only apply when the foetus has expired. It does not apply if the heart of the foetus is still beating. Article 40.3.3 guarantees parity of the foetus and the mother. One cannot be preferred over the other. Look at Praveen’s credible account.

We do agree on one thing. Exchanges on the Internet cannot alter the facts of what happened.

Sad to see you trying to justify, defend or mitigate the unacceptable Irish tragedy by facile and irrelevant reference to other countries.

I noticed you dishing out a lot of smart remarks earlier.

Ed, I see you feel bullied. I merely sought to challenge your views and the irrelevance of what happens in other countries. That’s what happens in a debate. I have been correctly challenged on occasions. It’s healthy. It disturbs comfortable assumptions and unexamined opinions. Are you the individual who was jeering above? It might be someone with the same name.

I can reassure you that I am not looking for a row, merely to correct flabby thinking and defective reasoning. We can all be guilty of that.

The priority has to be how to ensure that bad laws are repealed and how the tragedy of Savita’s needless death can be avoided happening again.

Peter, let’s just wait for report to come out, to much blame going on here, we don’t know yet, but yes I stand by what I said, this could have happened in other countrys besides Ireland and that was all I was saying. No need for a cyber bullying contest now surely.

@ed. the fact that this could have happened in another country does not negate our responsibilities to a) investigate the savita case thoroughly, and deal with the findings appropriately to safeguard other pregnant women b) deal with our appalling legal mess in relation to abortion

@ Irene, well you said that not me! think your putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5

@ ed. referring to your comments below re Philippines and brazil. Apologies if I didn’t make that clear in my post.
But my statement still stands.

Regardless of what happens in the Savita case, the opinion of many legal and medical experts is, is that our legislation re termination is a disaster. That is why countries in the western world are looking at us aghast and rightly so. We have signed up to the UN and EU convention for human rights for goodness sake and 20 years after the x case ruling we still haven’t managed to legislate. In 2010 the ECHR ruled that we must legislate nd it still has not happened.

As an Irish WOMAN living in IRELAND I think our main focus should be getting things right in our own country. Women in Ireland are more concerned with what happens in OUR hospitals ( what happens in brazil is totally irrelevant to an unfortunate woman in Ireland whose pregnancy runs into difficulty).

My life NOT yours.

I do get what your saying Eileen, I have an awful feeling that this report is going to point finger at the doctor involved who quite possibly is not Irish and may have mis interpereted the law which does re X case account for termination where the mothers life is in jeopardy. I suppose what I mean about it happening in other countrys is that medical negligence and/or religious and state failures do and have cost mothers and unborn their lives.

In this case they had identified in UCHG that Savita had miscarried but the foetus still had a heartbeat (however that is possible) and although she asked for a termination was still refused one on grounds of Ireland being a catholic country, I will be surprised if it does turn out that Irish law is the sole cause of this mess.

@ Peter, please read my reply to Eileen, yes the smart remarks were directed at Garry only, and if you read his comments you can see for yourself he earned them.

Ed
Unless the details of the medics involved have been made public, which I doubt, you have no shred of evidence to assume the consultant was not irish. Also your musings that a consultant might misinterpret the law because he/ she may not be irish is again an assumption on your part and not based on reasoned argument or fact.
To quote yourself ‘wait and see til the report comes out’ before you cast judgement on the consultant involved.
There has been plenty of reasoned argument that our laws re abortion are not adequate. This needs to change for women in this country

Ed, it pains me to have to say this but having read through your posts and, in particular, your raising of the possibility that the consultant may have been non Irish and supposedly confused as to the application of Irish law, it is reasonable to conclude that you are mildly xenophobic, as are many Irish people. That is not your fault, it is a consequence of slow adaptation to a multi cultural society and the changing demographic in Ireland.

I have noticed that Brenda Power in the Sunday Times, a staunch and devout Roman Catholic is willing to accept that it is Irish law which is actually at fault. Look at Carol Hunt’s article in today’s Sunday Independent and please read Dr. Peter Boylan’s article in today’s Sunday Business Post.

As a retired lawyer, I can say that if a clinician intervened to induce contraction whilst the heart of the foetus was still beating and if an Garda Siochana and the DPP were to be informed, the clinicians involved or complicit would have been liable to be prosecuted for a serious criminal offence contrary to the Offences Against the Person Act, 1861, regardless of how humane their intentions were.

We urgently need legal reform so as to avoid the risk of a death in similar circumstances to Savita’s sad and needless death.

Savita and his solicitor are right to stand up for a proper form of inquiry and I am convinced that the unusual and disturbing facts of this case warrant an appropriate form of inquiry on a proper legal foundation, preferably under the Commission of Investigation Act, 2004.

Chance be a fine thing Mike, why you say that or are you just being contrary like Garry :-)

Wrong placement. That was meant for Garry.

Sonya
You have a mouth on you like something your mother should have smacked years ago. Irish Society doesn’t exist at the whims of your vulgarity. Leave it in the gutter from whence you brought it.

lol, Garry thinks hes Charles Dickens, Sorry man, it’s still shitetalk even with fancy language

lmao, “from whence you brought it” ha ha ha ha ha

He’s been watching Edward de longhsanks’s scenes in Braveheart again methinks.

@garry fitzgerald.

Looking at your own posts garry you’re not too hot on social etiquette either.

@valerie. You are spot on there valerie. Through all the ‘savita articles’ negative posts, be it about savita’s husband or the more general issue of women seeking termination, as far as i can see have come from Irish men! Odd that.

Valerie, I agree with some of what you say but I consider that the legal problem goes back to Article 40.3.3 of the Constitution introduced in 1983 by the Eight Amendment. This prevents early induction by oxytocin or a D&C, a miscarriage to address the consequences of a spontaneous abortion.

I have considerable sympathy for your view that this is an issue for women, not men, and I have felt some unease addressing this issue. That said, and as a man said in a letter during the week to the Irish Times, he values his wife’s life beyond all the foetuses in the universe.

Had the issue of miscarriages and abortion not been addressed by male dominated legislation and Constitutional Amendment, as a man I would gladly not get involved. It is desperately unfortunate, even a little that this area is being dealt with by an 85 per cent male Dail. On balance and with some reservation, I think that men do need to engage on this life threatening issue because they have stakes as partners, husbands, brothers and even as friends of potential victims. Certainly Praveen has the right to speak and the right to be heard. He has a legitimate interest.

That said, I am not sure that I should have a right to determine or to dictate what should happen to a woman’s life and health other than that I don’t want to see any woman allowed to dies a a result of bad law in a country of which I’m a resident and citizen.

OTT

Way OTT, this aint the time for Mafia crap, due process, it could turn out to be case that we and you are to blame if indeed it turns out to be the fault of Irish law.

OMG actually, seriously Maurice.

ok sandy and ed.i was sent away from hospital in a very very similar situation with my missus.it was almost as bad only i made more noise and i thank my God shes still here…its o.t.t you say…what would either of ewe two do in the same situation?due process?my arse.

Should have read ‘sincere’. Changed now.

Athenry News
This man has received condolences to last him a lifetime.
He is now ultimately seeking justice,transparency,honesty and ultimately an open investigation into his wifes tragic death.
This could have been your wife.
Mr.Halappanavar deserves everbodys support as to avoid this distinctive Irish blunder from reoccurring.

Hugh, i’m not having a go, but the journal.ie makes these kinds of mistakes a lot, tick tick tick tick boom if ya don’t nip that stuff in bud

Yeah lets go back to the silence we had before.

I’m sure that’s what she’d have wanted.

As much as some people would like it all to go away and be forgotten, that will not be happening. “Can we not all move on and let the woman rest in peace?” Eh, No actually. It is important that it still has news time. The fact that related case notes taken in Galway University Hospital are now ‘missing’, it is more important than ever to keep the pressure on the government so this doesn’t become a whitewash.

@SL it’s not a ‘ fact’ that notes are missing, its possible that the termination request was never recorded. if everyone could wait for the actual facts instead of inventing “facts” there’d be far fewer bandwagons to choose from.

I am not impressed with this development.
This meeting should have taken place a long time ago.
Irish politics at it’s worst.
Once again.

Well said…wait and see there will be plenty to ponder when the actual facts come out…facts not the “he said she said” rubbish that’s going on now. Stick to the facts people, it’s always the best way to go.

Shhhh Mick! They don’t like sensible ideas such as that.

@gamma fair enough. no facts known yet. however if the formal termination request(s) were not recorded on multiple days, as alleged, that’s another can of worms. we’ll wait for the facts. my main point was that this story won’t just fade away as some would prefer. This is a painful but necessary process.

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