That really is sickening , i see similar things myself and just makes you wonder if they dont care about the effects of the smoke what else dont they care about ? ignornace is no excuse , we all know even if some deny the potentail damge smoke can do .They should be given €1000 fines but then again it would be probably taken from the kids rather than give up the fags

I agree David its unbelievable!!! and yet how many of us see cars around us in traffic with someone smoking while the kid/kids are on the back seat with either on child seat or even seat belt on!!! and that is against the law.
It’s the “that won’t happen to me” attitude.

Sorry that was meant to be…..with NO child seat.

Kids should NOT be allowed in BARS in the first place.

That’s a myth, the revenue is far exceeded by the cost to universal health care.

Regardless, so you think its ok to smoke around children?

I think you’ll find most of the public are already on side for now allowing smoking around children,

The published scientific research against passive smoking is clear.

Don’t fall for the orchestrated campaign of propaganda and misinformation peddled by the tobacco industry and its pseudo-scientific ‘research’.

Following some of the references cited in the wiki page is a good starting point:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_smoking

For more about tobacco industry strategies to mislead the public:
http://www.scielosp.org/scielo.php?pid=S0042-96862000000700007&script=sci_arttext

Yes Paddy , even if there was any merit to your unreferenced nonsense , why would you be an apologist for a behaviour that is at best disrespectful and at worst down right harmful to the people you should love more than anyone. it makes no sense. And to all the f red thumbers that agree with smoking in cars casue they are too weak and ignorant to get the F8ck out of the car while their kid are in it can go F8ck themselves.

Tensing, I love your response to paddy above and also to the redthumbers.

Tensing

Could you put your vile tongue back in your head and read my comments please. I never said I was a smoker. I never said that I approve of people smoking in the presence of children. I never ever worked for or behalf of nor am I an apologist for the tobacco Industry.
I reject false science in the same way that I reject perjury. The so called study in the above study came to no scientific conclusions regarding the health related risks of second hand smoke. The authors simply made them up and I am appalled that any respectable journal would publish this type of garbage.
The Longitudinal Study was described by someone above as unreferenced. The person who made that comment is completely uneducated as that study is one of the largest ever carried out in the field of medicine and health.
Ignorance is worrying at this level in modern Ireland.

Paddy,
You’re the classic half-witted commentator that makes me wretch. Of course your buffoonery is only matched by your faux indignation at someone using profanity. I mean, ‘Vile’, really Paddy? I think you’ve been watching too much ‘made in Chelsea’. Anyway, I’ll make no apology using profanity when for dealing with a pseudo –intellectual like yourself , having said that, kudos on your liberal use of the word ‘longitudinal’ , well done Pad’s. One thing you were correct on was that it was me that said you were unreferenced, the thing is Paddy using a word or title is not an actual reference, you referred to a study, the study probably exist but you did not reference it correctly. Now, to the substantive issue, Firstly, smoking in car with children is a bad idea, agreed? To my mind it subjugates your trifling objections to the status of inconsequential because if you care to look you will find abundance of counter studies, but really the salient point isn’t about science , it is why would anybody row in with stupid objections that could only be viewed as supportive of the irresponsible act of smoking around children in confined spaces . Final point, your last sentence: “Ignorance is worrying at this level in modern Ireland” I would re-consider your syntax, it doesn’t read well or even make much sense” Ironic don’t you think?

Paddy, what are you on about??

‘Longitudinal study’ is just a generic name for a specific type of study (ie. longer term) that could be about practically anything. There have been many different longitudinal studies about smoking, as there have been about countless other subjects.

When Tensing described your study as unreferenced, all he meant was that you didn’t tell people which specific study you were referring to, so nobody could read it for themselves.

Yes, the study referred to in the article was solely designed to measure particulate matter in cars, however the authors’ conclusion that children are likely to suffer ill-health effects as a result was probably based on other published studies which determined the maximum safe level of particulate matter – you would need to take a look at the full report to see which other studies they referenced.

Its a very lucky thing then that cigarettes are only on fire for a moment when being lit and that people usually have two hands, one to hold the wheel and one to hold the cigarette.

Whaaa ?

If people followed the rules of driving, one is supposed to have both hands on the wheel, at ALL times (unless one is driving a manual gear). Holding a coffee, fon, lipstick, icecream, sandwich, a cigarette, bar of chocolate is just so wrong.

Go for it ‘thumbs down’!

There is a nanny state because of people with your attitude.Boo.

There’s a need for a nanny state because of people that don’t have Justina’s attitude!

Huh? I’m sorry are trying to compare smoking and stabbing? Not sure where to start there. Anyway based on your previous comments you’d be against the banning of people carrying knives…

International research shows that It’s the children who were subjected to parental smoke in cars are most likely to be the instigators og violent crimes.
I just made that up. But I wouldn’t be surprised on the basis that lack of proper attention to children’s physical wellbeing could point to a lack of attention to other areas of development also.

Nothing is worse than walking on a street, the beach, local park and someone in front of me puffs on a cigarette and blows out his/her fumes in my clean air. Appalling behaviour. Or coming out of a shop/shopping centre and I end up walking into a cloud of cancer. For that moment, my hair and clothes stink. I’m not exaggerating.

I know smoking will not be banned, individuals will continue to throw their butt on the ground in front of me, out their vehicle window and individuals will continue to throw their gum on the ground. Smoke in your own space, closed in preferably!

@Caroline Locke,

Anything that pollutes my air is wrong. Including dirty exhaust fumes and factories fumes and crap been poured into our rivers. But no matter how much of a ‘green’ person, one wants to be, it’s not going to happen. There’ll always be people that have their views, their argument and I suppose, it’s good that there is a place/forum where we can all give our opinions and hope that some will pick up on the ‘good’ points people are trying to make.

Evidence??

There is PLENTY of evidence in the daily RTE news.

@Eimear I am for liberties.I am for freedom of choice.Period.