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State won’t face septic tank fines in February despite government claims

The government has rejected claims that it has misled the Dáil and the public over fines for failure to comply with EU regulations on septic tanks.

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THE EUROPEAN COMMISSION (EC) has said that Ireland will not face thousands of euro of fines if legislation to register septic tanks is not in place by 3 February, despite the government claiming yesterday it would.

It comes amid a row between Environment Minister Phil Hogan and Fianna Fáil’s environment spokesperson Éamon Ó Cuiv over legislation which will require homeowners to register septic tanks at a cost of €50 per tank in order for inspections to be carried out to ensure the tanks comply with EU regulations.

Concerns have been raised that the measure unfairly targets rural Ireland and that owners of septic tanks – of which there are over 400,000 – will face further costs if remedial works need to be carried out on their tanks.

Earlier Ó Cuiv accused the government of misleading the Dáil and the public when Education Minister Ruairí Quinn said the Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2011 was being guillotined – expedited – at Committee stage, as Ireland would be subject to a €26,000 per day fine if the legislation was not enacted by 3 February.

“We no longer have the time to deal with it now, because on 3 February we will face a fine of €26,000 a day,” Quinn told the Dáil during the Order of Business yesterday.

However, the European Commission has subsequently confirmed to TheJournal.ie that this is not the case.

Ó Cuiv has said the government are “using scare tactics by falsely threatening EU fines from next month if they do not get their way.” The government “strenuously rejected” this.

The Commission has taken Ireland to the European Court of Justice over its failure to adopt necessary measures to ensure septic tanks are complying with regulations preventing contamination of ground water and subsequently drinking water.

The EC is asking the court to impose a lump-sum fine of €2.7 million and a daily penalty payment of € 26,173 on Ireland for its failure to comply with the EU Waste Framework Directive.

Urgent matter

However, an EC spokesperson told TheJournal.ie today that Ireland would not face daily penalties if the legislation is not in place by 3 February contrary to what the government claimed yesterday.

The spokesperson did stress that the matter is urgent as Ireland risks such penalties if the legislation is not adopted and in place before the ECJ makes a ruling – but this ruling is not expected until the summer at the earliest and most likely not until the autumn.

A statement from the Department of Environment this evening said:

The central strand of Ireland’s defence in this case will be that the necessary legislative measures have been put in place. It is for this reason that the deadline of 3 February for enactment of the legislation is so important.

The Minister is determined to ensure the necessary measures are in place by the time Ireland submits its rejoinder [reply to the prosecution] to the ECJ in order to support the defence being presented to the Commission’s application.

Ó Cuiv has previously been accused of “frightening people” by Hogan who insists that while he does not want to implement the legislation, it must be done to comply with European regulations.

But the Fianna Fáil TD said that while he is in favour of legislation, he was against “this Government’s attempts to push the entire cost of this process directly onto septic tank owners and to ignore their questions about inspection standards and resulting costs.”

Ó Cuiv told TheJournal.ie earlier today: “Phil Hogan will not address any valid issues being raised. Never in all my life in the Dáil and Seanad have I seen a Minister show more contempt and suspicion and such total refusal to deal with issues raised by the opposition.”

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Comments (28 Comments)

  • Well done Hugh, another fear tactic exposed and used by the present Government.

    It is disgraceful that fear-mongering is used, it is akin to schoolyard bullying. It was a tactic also used by the last Government.

    I earnestly believed that Enda Kenny would be open and honest with his citizens in this crisis, but alas, another election promise broken.

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  • The government lied i’m shocked.

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  • Well firstly the government should apologize for getting this completely wrong.

    But here’s a revolutionary madcap idea for Éamó and the Populists.

    Why not sort out a proper inspection regime for septic tanks, and public schemes?

    Not because the EU told us, or because we will or won’t get fines.

    But simply because we’re not a race of children, but a responsible grown-up country which doesn’t let sh1t get into it’s water courses.

    And yep, I have a septic tank.

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  • This charge will / should be paid in part by the Local Authorities and Department given IF THEY KNEW they are culpable for allowing planning on septic tanks up to now. Plus if Ireland cannot implement retrospective legislation on the likes of pensions and other Legal matters then surely they shouldn’t be allowed to apply this to houses built way back in the 60′s 70′s 80′s etc.
    The various campaigns will continue I believe….

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  • I have a biocycle which i paid 4,500 euro to construct because this is what was set out in my planning permission, by the planners if the Government think i’m paying them the septic tank charge when im treating my waste for them when anyone with a public sewer treated by the state doesn’t have to pay anything,they’ve another thing coming.

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  • Once again scare mungering I have a septic tank it’s never been emptied it works well leave alone I’m told so the bacteria can do their job,so now the government want to upset them as well ! If they want us to up grade they need to pay the cost of doing so I don’t have the money to do it paying it all in taxes.

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  • Whatever will they think of next?
    How about taxing cats?
    Well…you are already taxing dogs.
    Or maybe taxing every extra toilet in a house?

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  • Septic tanks??? We’re all in the $h*t – it’s just the depth that varies!

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  • Aurfur 13/01/12 #

    Dare I say it but there is a fortune waiting to be collected in sewage charges in the cities.

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  • The Government will be deep in the shit by the time rural dwellers are finished spraying the contents of their septic tanks all over the walls of Leinster house.

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  • Is there any evidence that faulty tanks are damaging the nation’s water supply? No. Just the theoretical possibility that, at some time, they might…
    So let’s waste everyone’s time and money dealing with a problem that doesn’t exist.
    Surely we have enough real problems to be getting on with?

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  • haha now they want to tax our shit true they will want to tax extra toilets in a house next

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  • Ardo Ci 13/01/12 #

    What a shit government we have – lying. Impossible to believe an Irish Government would ever do that. :) Stop voting in tyrants people. That’s what we’ve got!

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  • I think the point of all this has been missed. Human waste is let into septic tanks but animals (who vastly outnumber humans in rural Ireland) products doesn’t. In fact it’s used as fertiliser. I’d say the vast majority of decal matter in our watercourses is not human so whether our septic tanks work is irrelevant.

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  • Hi Jason.
    You meant to say ‘fecal matter’… But yes. I very much agree with your point.
    Example:
    We have two water wells on our land.
    A shallow and a deep well.
    I had both wells tested for contamination.
    The shallow well failed because if e coli contents.
    The reason for this by the laboratory was that it merely takes a deer,fox,sheep, cow etc to defacate near the well in order to contaminate same.
    Your point of fact proven correct.

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    • @Jason & Manfred.
      Nothing to disagree with in what you said. Fecal matter deposited on the surface is more inclined to cause contamination to water courses, lakes and shallow wells, whereas untreated effluent discharged from septic tanks contaminates ground aquifers by leaching into the ground water table.
      By leaching into ground aquafers untreated septic tank effluent causes an unacceptable level of fecal coliforms in drinking water supplies from deep bore wells endangering public health.
      Fecal matter from grazing farm animals and slurry spreading by farmers is a greater pollutant to rivers and lakes because of it’s high nitrogen content causing oxygen depletion and killing fish stocks. Untreated human effluent however, is less high in nitrogen but is much more a threat to public health.
      I find the double standard of O’Cuiv a bit hard to take given that the installation of inadequate sewerage disposal systems in improper locations was mainly a result of the ‘favour’ politics applied by his party during the most intense period of house building in the rural enviornment.

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    • I am puzzled at the thumbs down gesture of two readers.
      Do you not understand the essence of my comment which is based on fact?
      What kind of mentality are we dealing with???

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  • Aurfur 15/01/12 #

    After viewing the documentary “Crapshoot” by NFB Canada it would seem that the major pollution is caused by city dwellers connected to a sewage system. Little control is given to what is disposed down the sewer. Such a system according to the documentary is a 2000 year old outdated legacy from the Romans with water as the medium of carrying sewage being most unsuitable and non sustainable.

    Perhaps a 100 euro registration on main sewer connections would be more appropriate. A closed loop system where the producer deals with his own sewage is the only sustainable system. Composting toilets would help in the country, but that’s always been known! The documentary concluded that a completely radical approach was needed to overcome the problem.

    As a matter of interest are local authority sewage disposal analysis figures available in detail listing the discharge figures into rivers? Do sewers overflow into storm drains and pollute rivers in times of floods? Where does the sludge go? Why are sewage plants located on rivers?

    My conclusion is that the wrong area is being targeted and that rural dwellers are seen as an easy target, whereas for the cities to clean up their act is nigh impossible. That’s risk management!

    An easy fix appears to have been targeted while ignoring the greater problem.

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  • Pisreog 13/01/12 #

    How about a tax on shit comments* on journal.ie, twitter and shit comments on all other social media?

    *any comment which in anyway can be linked to any form of excrement, be the reference either to the matter itself or metaphoric.

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  • Pisreog 13/01/12 #

    Metaphorical.

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