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Tánaiste defends changes to maternity benefit, property tax

Eamon Gilmore asked Sinn Féin whether it would encourage people to be tax compliant and pay the property tax later this year.

Image: Oireachtas TV via Website

THE TÁNAISTE HAS defended taxation measures to be introduced this year as part of Budget 2013.

Speaking in the Dáil this morning, opposition leaders raised concerns about the taxation of maternity benefits and the mechanisms which will be used to ensure compliance with the property tax.

Fianna Fáil’s Micheál Martin described the maternity tax as “anti-women”.

Eamon Gilmore claimed that the tax was not a “cut” and noted that women will receive the same salary when the changes are implemented.

“A woman on maternity benefits will continue to receive the exact same take-home pay as she did while working.”

He confirmed that the benefits will remain exempt from the USC and PRSI, adding that the move brings the income “in line with all other social welfare benefits”.

On the property tax, the Tánaiste confirmed that Revenue will send out letters to 1.6 million homes next week to give the initial estimate of the property’s value and property tax required.

Mary Lou McDonald criticised the government for asking people to pay a tax with money that “they don’t have”. “Do you grasp that?” she asked before calling on Gilmore to defend the measures that will be used to ensure compliance.

The Revenue Commissioners will have the power to take money at source from bank accounts, as well as PAYE workers and social welfare payments.

Gilmore said such moves are “well-established mechanisms” in terms of tax collection.

In a loud exchange between the leaders, the Tánaiste claimed Sinn Féin’s “hypocrisy has no boundary” as it has “no difficulty” with the larger property tax north of the border.

He also questioned whether the party would support a campaign to not pay the tax or encourage householders to be tax compliant.

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Comments (96 Comments)

  • I’m not sure how much more the people can take. Gardai are protesting, nurses, teachers, unemployment is going through the roof and emigration has become part of Government policy. I am not a member of supporter of any political party. I am father and husband, a normal guy who always worked hard and paid my taxes. I believed our leaders, I trusted them, I honestly was naive enough to think that because we employ them to represent us that they would do their best and wanted the best for us. I was fooled, I am a fool to have believed the spin, the lies, the media sound bites, the promises. I have lost my job like many others and I had to leave my country, I doubt I’ll ever return because it seems that the political elite and bankers have destroyed it beyond repair, not just for my generation but for my children also. It breaks my heart to leave, I deeply love Ireland, it is my home but a home without a real government, laws, accountability, leaders. I still follow Irish events and listen to the radio on the net, there was a song on 2fm this morning that brought tears to my eyes, Ive seen it on a few forums also. Its the closest thing I’ve heard that captures the true story, the traitors and the lives they have destroyed. They dont give a **** about us and never will, they care about their pensions and huge salaries, Ill tell you one thing they wont ever know the worry of the esb bill coming or how they are going to afford food for the week.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edfNeMIm2Jk

    P.S FF are topping the polls again? How can we expect change if we keep doing the same thing over and over again.

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    • Your talking the truth and it f@@king hurts

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    • Best of luck Paul….

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    • Well said Paul! Just listened to that you tube link, very, very powerful ballad. I have tears in my eyes thinking of my own family. The truth hurts us all, good luck to you and your family

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    • Paul your story is a tough one. One our govt doesn’t want to understand. They are worse now than the thieves who destroyed this country. Threatening the revenue on regular folks who don’t have it. Meanwhile not one banker or politician is in jail for the treason that was committed here for enslaving our country to debt. It appears to me your better of in this country when u owe millions. Does the govt grasp its citizens has had enough!!!!

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    • Really struggle to see how FF are topping the polls, the party should really be in ruins. If they were a company they’d be gone to wall long ago.

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    • @ Jason..quiet simply because we don’t have any choice politically in this country. FG/Lab got in the last time just because we were shit sick of Cowen, Linehan, Dempsy and the rest of them. Look at the way they ran to the hills prior to the last election when there was changes to their pensions ? Until we have a huge mind shift in the way we deal with our politicians and how they deal with us..we’re stuck with the two ring circus.

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    • I hope your new life is working out for you Paul, we all feel your sentiments. Will anything change. Not at all. Those blood sucking lying, treasonous, a holes will continue to plunder what little we have left and have the audacity of covering it up by calling it a progressive tax that will benefit all. Of course all is actually a metaphor for Troika. I pray for Ireland to find its fighting spirit and rise up against this Vichy impersonators.

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    • Well said Paul. I’m sorry you were forced to leave Ireland. I’m on the fence at this point too as most of my family friends have already left Ireland. It’s very sad especially when we have to leave behind elderly parents who will suffer loneliness as a result. Our politicians will never feel this. Their families will just move away as a ‘Lifestyle choice!’
      Best of luck Paul.

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    • Best of luck Paul, many people will feel your sadness. Great song you shared, best ballad I have heard in a long time and very true words, song for the ordinary man and woman. I don’t understand why FF are topping the polls either, hard to believe, same old story

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    • Michael 07/03/13 #

      We need to reduce government involvement in Irish life, for it is the only solution.

      They will never care

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    • Possibly the best comment I have ever seen on this site.

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    • So sad, your words and that song you posted had quite an effect on me Paul and I’m usually a tough cookie. Good luck to you and your family, I hope everything will work out for you

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    • Then Do Something About It people!!! Stand together.

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    • Thanks Paul, they are the words that most of us want to say! Hope things work out for you!

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    • Very good post and a powerful song. Best of luck Paul

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    • SamEire 07/03/13 #

      Direct Democracy Ireland in Meath East.. First nail in the coffin for the status quo
      Lets show them. All for one and one for all.

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    • The global economy is in tatters.

      We are a tiny bankrupt island struggling through it, while still spending more money every year than we take in in taxes.

      If you are waiting around for a government to save you, you better move country to somewhere with a bigger public sector and higher dole. Let me know where that is when you find it.

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    • Well said Paul I wish you the very best of luck

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    • So true Paul, I want out of this country but I have huge negative equity wrapped around my neck. I don’t live anymore, I exist it’s all about paying the bills and nothing else. I hope u and ur family get the better life u deserve, any family I know who emigrated has no regrets, hopefully one day my family and I will get out of this prison!

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    • Best of luck to you and your family.
      I to an not a member of any political
      Party and voted Fine Gael & Labour last election foolish me .The people of Ireland need major change to the system bankers,top civil servants politicians .All have failed.
      We have to ask the people of Meath to
      Send a clear message in the forthcoming by-election
      VOTE anyone but Fianna Fáil, Fianna Geal and Labour.
      These party’s have destroyed this country (don’t forget PD’S and Greens)

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    • M Bowe 07/03/13 #

      U a hole. The people don’t want the government saving them wi hand outs and sole. They want the illegal bankers debts taken of their backs. They want the fat cats properly and fairly taxed. They want the government gravy train derailed. And they want to be listened to not spoken down to like 5 yr old kids.

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    • That should be on the front page of every national news paper! This country is miserable and run by a dictatorship. That kenny constantly with a smug smile, he can’t even pretend to be compassionate! I hope we can get them out soon. And get someone with a spine in there.

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  • Having just secured his own enormous pension Gilmore just doesn’t care about the ordinary people of Ireland. He doesn’t want to know about the poverty he is inflicting. The sooner this wolf in sheep’s clothing is kicked out and his pension revised down to a reasonable level the better. What would Connolly and Larkin think of imposters like Gilmore, Rabbitte and Howlin?

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  • “A woman on maternity benefits will continue to receive the exact same take-home pay as she did while working.”

    That’s is true if the woman works in the public sector, where she continues to get paid while on maternity leave. It is absolutely not true for many women working in the private sector whose employers don’t pay them while on maternity leave, and for the Tanaiste to make such a statement, while at the same time governing a country which does not have legislation that requires employers to pay employees while they’re on maternity pay shows him to be, at best, ill-informed.

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  • We have turned a corner all right we have gone from democracy to dictatorship big brother is going to make you pay what you haven’t got and pretty soon you won’t be able to even make this comment on a forum like this
    The time to revolt has come

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  • JakkiB 07/03/13 #

    Everyday its something! No wonder our people are wore out and drained, I have no intention of celebrating St.Patricks day as right now I am ashamed to be Irish, Dont mean to offend anyone but I can not be proud as our people are being distroyed everyday……

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  • still no cut to his own pay?

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  • Gilmore you traitor.

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  • Gilmore stating that anyone is a hypocrite is a bit rich coming from him.If ya look back to the days he was in the workers party he was vehemently opposed to the introduction of property or water taxes. How things have changed once his snout got into to trough.The labour party are no longer aligned with the left or represent the Irish working class.New political parties needed to bring change like whats happening in Italy.

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  • These politicians should be lined up against a wall and shot by firing squad.

    Criminalising the poor. I’m trying to feed a family of four and pay a mortgage on €330 a week.

    Deduct property tax at source and we can all starve.

    No option left but to vote for someone else.

    Lets hope we can be given an alternative for the next election because if it gets any worse we’ll be going back to the days of Michael and his twelve apostles!

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  • We don’t have a government capable of getting us out of the terrible mess we find ourselves in. Not one politician in this country will ever have to worry about paying a gas bill. They have lined their own pockets and are all financially secure, guaranteed, for the rest of they’re lives. If just one of our big names could stand up to Europe and fight for the people of this country, putting the Irish citizens as they’re priority, then they would live forever as a hero and saviour of this country. The scene is set for a politician with patriotism in their heart, rather than greed to stand up and save our country and save our people. Stand forward whomever you are and write your name in history beside O’connell, Parnell, Pearse and Ray Houghton.

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  • When are we marching as these clowns in govt in their ivory towers are clueless!!!!!

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    • We can march in the St Patrick’s day parades around the country to oppose the property and water taxes.

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    • Good idea …turn every parade into a protest march …let’s start making the banners !!!

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    • Very good idea.

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    • Rose 07/03/13 #

      You should all dress as snakes with Gilmore,kenny etc heads then a placard saying lets get the snakes out of ireland !

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    • They are not clueless – they are doing fine , obeying their masters etc . It is the people who are in a way ” clueless ” – in that the thugs who rob us walk the streets – and make new taxes and more new taxes . We are only stuck with a two ringed circus – if that is waht we want .
      In short we are ” compliant ” – waht a dreaful word – reeks of Obedience .
      Do u really think that Kenny , Gilmore and co – give two f##ks waht or how the St Patricks day marches go – they will be in USA etc
      .Also they cant lose – throwing them out at an election – and they still are ok finacilally .
      Look at what Italy did – a party came from nowhere to take 25% of vote .
      if we dont pay the debts – that are not ours – no matter waht bits of paper have been signed – what will Troika do – they dont want the € to go or anyone to l theraten to bring down the €zone .
      Its a poker game – and we have bad poker players that should be got rid of asap .

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  • I cannot afford to live events in this, my, country anymore. But I cannot afford to leave it either. Nothing in my fridge, nothing in my pockets….. Ugh

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  • sean 07/03/13 #

    Can,t wait to receive my bondholder tax form in the post , because it will be a pleasure, to simply not open it , and mark it “return to sender”
    I suggest anyone against this tax , do the same …………….united we must stand .
    If they want to tak it from our a/c or wages , then as a country none of us should turn up for work , (well i won,t be turning up on the grounds the gov took my money so i can,t pay for diesel for the car non creche fees for the child …………this can be our vision of blue monday.

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  • Endas lapdog.

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    • I hope he was reminded that people in the north actually receive some services for the property tax. Bin collection for example.

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    • Wynnner 07/03/13 #

      Exactly

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    • Cathal 07/03/13 #

      Rodrigo, they get bin collection, water rates, free school dinners for students, FREE GP services (we pay 50 euro a go), free/almost free prescriptions, truly free school up to secondary level… the list goes on…
      We get a household charge, we will now pay separate water rates, pay for GP visits, our so-called free education costs each parent a couple of hundred euro per year. We pay 15 times the prescription charges for many of the drugs we need to keep us healthy…
      Enda will deflect and distract, rather than address the question honestly.

      I think Enda best summed it up when he was asked to look at reducing our presidents salary to less than 200k…. Endas response was that the President needed the salary in order to feed himself and that we should leave it well enough alone (i admit i am paraphrasing, but he did use the comment, the president needs to eat as part of his response).

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  • Like Paul (first poster), my hubby lost his job recently and i myself lost mine in 2009 @ 6mths preg, then again in 2011…we now have 2 kids and are thinking of shipping out….I believed in Gilmore & look where it got my family….sure my kids will b paying for this governments and bankers mistakes!!!

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  • Have a look at what some Fine Gael T.Ds are saying about Labour Ministers in the last few days. There is trouble ahead and with the X case legislation coming down the line it is going to be difficult for them to last…Lucinda Creighton is lying low at the moment and it is known that she will not support the legislation

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  • Ah, the latest ‘distraction tax’. I wonder what they are doing while the country is looking the other way, talking about this tax.

    Minimum Wage drop…yada yada.. Minimum wage back up.
    Carers allowance………..
    Maternity Tax……………

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  • Gilmore a champagne socialist

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  • The trouble with Irish folk is that you all need to stand together and vote FG out and don’t ask me who your gonna put in because I haven’t a clue , you were all not going to pay the household charge but many did now your stuck with the bloody tax crowd for collections either from your wages or social welfare etc if you don’t pay for the property tax ! I’d like to no are your bins now going to be emptied via the council like before when you paid rates ? Or will you be paying for both , Next your water meters will be turned on so yet another bill on the doormat ! Come on Irish friends stand together and say NO

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  • Sorry, but Mr Gilmore and his party lost all credibility when they became the overnight whipping boys for FG. Seriously, back in 2009 they were considered a viable alternative. What are they now? Absolutely zero. SF is Ireland’s only remaining opportunity to remain Irish, viable, and credible.

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  • Why are we women just taking this on the chin? Why don’t we take to the streets and do something about this? I don’t get paid by my employer so I will be even worse off. How do they expect a ‘next generation’ to be born if families can’t afford to have/rear them. This and the cut to children’s allowances is a disgrace. I’m starting to think maybe I should give up work and start claiming social welfare. That way I’d get free buggy/cot etc, free doctors fees, extra money for religious ceremonies (laughable), back to school allowance. THE LIST GOES ON. I wouldn’t need to budget for any of those things like I have to do now and that way I could have as many children as I want. Because right now any mother in the private sector who doesn’t get paid by their employer are really going to be on the breadline if they have a child. They’re the facts.

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    • MR D 07/03/13 #

      If you work in this country then you are constantly screwed. The constantly impose more tax, while they draw massive Salaries and guaranteed pensions which you just cannot buy as a private sector worker.

      Labour and Fine Gael are done for me along with ff

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    • Your talking trough your ASS! You try make it sound like people on welfare are as well of as politicians!

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    • First of all. Pigs eat out of a trough. I’m not talking THROUGH my ass. I’m using social media to voice my opinion. People on benefits are better off than me that you can’t dispute because you know nothing about me and what i earn. Social welfare allowances information is freely available to study online. When you work it all out on social welfare I would be better off. As for politicians, of course they are more well off. They earn too much yes, but they are also for the most part (Healy Rae’s aside) mostly well educated and hard working. Should their salaries be cut in line with other countries? Absolutely. Should I have to pay hugely for social welfare recipients children’s buggies, garish holy communion outfits, back to school allowance, free doctors fees? No.Really the question here is inequality. Why should my child not get those benefits too? Why am I paying for these things? Why is there €50 million euro kept aside by Joan Burton’s department to pay for these social welfare top ups? And why are they cutting my allowance when I never claim social welfare apart from the months I take off to have a child? I work I pay my taxes. I contribute to society and the economy.

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    • And?

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    • Hear hear !!

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    • Well said Deborah

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  • there is really no way this situation would get better. Everyday they take something away or they make us pay more. Then one morning we’ll
    all wake up and all the debts they had made a DEAL are here to be paid. Now what? How and where else would they get this money?

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  • Has anyone noticed THE most controversial attacks on the citizenry are fronted by Labour politicians? “Here Enda, allow me…… you’ve got my back.” What dummies they turned out be.

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  • What a lot of gob shites this government is demanding property tax when people can’t pay their mortgages and how sly they are getting the revenue to do their dirty work it makes me. Sick having to pay tax on the home you live in how can any on the dole or old age pension through no fault of their own pay this tax dole €188 old age pension €230 compared to what they pay them selves this is just crazy

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  • The talking about these treacherous idiots just goes round and round, the case is proven to most of us that a wrong is being perpetrated on the ordinary citizen so what do we do next, they reckon we havnt the balls to do anything,maybe their right ?

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  • Check out Direct Democracy Ireland (Google it…).

    Our only chance, IMO.

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  • I think a visit to a Swiss bank may be in order, just in case. Funny how they keep repeating that we’re the last country not to have a property tax… but they aren’t keen to tell us EXACTLY what we’ll be getting for our money. It’s just going to be squandered on “jobs for the boys” by the local councils. The ones that pay €300 to an unamed contractor for fitting a light bulb and have perfectly good streets repaved by a company owned by a guy they met in the GAA Club bar. That’s what’s galling people, that we’ll have to suffer and we know it’s for nothing.
    And sending in the revenu to bully, threaten and frighten people into paying is unforgivable. Just a thought on the definition of the members of our government. traitor [ˈtreɪtə] n
    a person who is guilty of treason or treachery, in betraying friends, COUNTRY, a cause or TRUST, etc.

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  • What a plonker

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  • Emigration: The product of a failed society.

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  • Scrap the tax! Less of the blather

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  • I don’t see why people are moaning about the tax on maternity pay!! Why should you have more money while off work for 6 months? It’s your exact wage as if you are working, except you are not!
    Before I’m red thumbed….I’m a mother, and my job does not pay me maternity pay, I get the social welfare rate of maternity pay for 6 months.
    Most women I know who job pays maternity ( public sector workers!) save the pay so they can take the 4 months unpaid leave!

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    • No it’s not your exact wage. Maybe it is for you. I got about 230 per week that’s about €1000 less per month than I normally earn. I got about €1200 back after I returned to work. So exactly how was I better off or how is this the same as if I was working. If you earn a low basic salary and depend on shift pay to make up your salary or if you depend in commission in a sales position then you could find yourself very out of pocket having a child. Or maybe we just shouldn’t have families. Maybe we should leave it to the more well off or the civil servants on their tipped up salaries or those on benefits getting handouts for each child.

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    • Have you a Vendetta against people on Social Welfare? Why don’t you out line all the benefits that go with been a member of the Irish Parliament? You can count your self very lucky that you have a job to go to! Some people want their bread buttered on both sides!!!

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    • I don’t have a vendetta. But I am entitled to my opinion, after all I am a taxpayer. For all I know I could end up on social welfare myself. But i know that i would absolutely do my level best to get any job i could and stop taking money that i hadnt earned. I do have a problem with people who are on social welfare when they don’t need to be. Now it might take a year or 2 to get a job but there are jobs out there. If you’re going to end up earning the same or less than on social welfare… So what? Get up off your ass and work. You’re not entitled to sit around at your leisure and expect society to pay for it. Apart from the fact of what does that do to your head? Sitting around idle is not good for anyone, even if they were made to help out in their local community that at least it would be beneficial for their community and their own mindset. Its just shameful and anyone one doing it has no right to have any opinion on politicians or anything else to do with our society for that matter. When they start paying taxes again maybe then they can raise their head and voice an opinion. Til then go back to your TROUGH.

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    • Its nothing to do with a vendetta Im just as pissed off about politicians benefits as i am about some sw benefits its people who work yet again are been screwed

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    • Talking trough your backside (again) are you suggestion that people whom lost their jobs have no place in society because they are on the welfare? Word of advise: “give your job to some one else and you go on the dole, have a big huge family and get all the fruits of the welfare you are mouthing about others getting! Then you will mouth of about the People working! Form a vendetta against them maybe!” ( discussion over and out!)

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    • Deborah keep popping out babies so you can get paid for doing nothing.

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    • Im beginning to think that some people who read articles on the journal can’t actually read.I said SOME people on sw and by the way that includes my partner but he gets his jobseekers and that’s it because i work and obviously my wages are so ridiculously high that were not entitled to any other help….. Meanwhile the same people get everything handed to them on a plate and have never contributed in any way shape or form. Seeing as your making presumptions about me ill make one about u ur probably one of the ones who gets things handed right left and centre to them and doesn’t like when people criticise them.

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  • Sorry but that would be resorting to the subculture of scrounges and I would rather have a small family than become one of them. Burden to society isn’t on my to do list. If we all to do that who would pay for social welfare?! even if i did find myself out if work I would never bad mouth people who work as they support the worthy members of society who live on benefits such as those on disability or pensioners. Suggesting that someone can just keep on popping out babies to stay on maternity benefit sounds like the selfish rantings of someone used to taking and not giving. No doubt trying to get something for nothing comes natural to some people. Maternity benefit is something that hard working mothers deserve. A society that doesn’t value what working mothers do and rewards the long term unemployed is definately failing. The end.

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