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Three anti-household charge TDs unhappy with national rally

Three of the nine TDs involved in the campaign against the household charge have criticised the Socialist Party TDs for taking key speaking slots at today’s rally in Dublin.

TDs including Richard Boyd Barrett and Thomas Pringle at the launch of the campaign in December
TDs including Richard Boyd Barrett and Thomas Pringle at the launch of the campaign in December
Image: Sasko Lazarov/Photocall Ireland

THREE OF THE nine TDS involved in the anti-household charge campaign have expressed their unhappiness with the speakers at today’s national rally in Dublin against the charge.

In a letter to the steering committee of the campaign, the three TDs criticise the Socialist Party for taking the “key” opening and closing speaking slots, and warn against one political party dominating the campaign.

In the letter seen by TheJournal.ie, they also say that the speakers do not adequately represent the “geographical and political diversity” of the campaign.

The three TDs – Richard Boyd Barrett and Seamus Healy of the ULA and Independent TD Thomas Pringle – criticise the steering committee of the campaign for not having an Independent TD or People Before Profit TD as key note speakers. The three describe the move as “both unfair and potentially damaging to the credibility of the campaign”.

The letter states:

It is difficult to understand why two Socialist Party TDs should take the key opening and closing speaking slots, while TDs from areas such as the South East and the North West and other areas outside Dublin are not represented when some of the biggest protests and meetings have been held in these areas.

It goes on:

Equally, we believe this is important in terms of representing the diversity of political forces involved and to guard against any perception that one political party is dominating the campaign. We again fail to understand why an Independent TD or People Before Profit TD are not featuring as key note speakers. We feel this is both unfair and potentially damaging to the credibility of the campaign.

The three TDs called on the steering committee of the Campaign Against Household And Water Taxes to remedy the situation. A spokesperson for the campaign was not available to comment this afternoon.

Public rally in Dublin today

A total of nine TDs have backed the campaign urging a boycott of the household charge, including two Socialist Party TDs, Clare Daly and Joe Higgins, three United Left Alliance TDs, Joan Collins, Richard Boyd Barrett and Seamus Healy, and four Independent TDs, Thomas Pringle, John Halligan, Mick Wallace and Luke Flanagan.

The Campaign Against the Household Charge is holding a public rally at the National Stadium in Dublin this afternoon with people from across the country due to attend.

Over 80 per cent of households have not yet paid the €100 charge.

Socialist Party TD Joe Higgins told the Dáil yesterday that the government is ‘delusional on a Marie Antoinette scale’ if it believes that people are merely waiting until the last minute to pay the charge.

Read: Full coverage of the household charge >

More: Joe Higgins says Government delusional on a ‘Marie Antoinette scale’ >

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Comments (66 Comments)

  • What!!!? A divided left? What’s the world coming to at all.

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  • Judean People’s Front and People’s Front of Judea?

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  • Greed can be a great unifying force. Take Fianna Fail for instance…

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  • There’s always one…….. or three!

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  • Schoolyard politics and politicians, beware children at play

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  • So much for the United Left Alliance – more like the People’s Front of Trotsky and the Trotskyist People’s Front – Monty Python writ large!

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  • More reactionary nonsense latched onto by the media. Trying to artificially foment division in a genuine movement of people power that they fear. There is nothing parish pump or opportunistic about these protests Tom. This is the true manifestation of real opposition to austerity spearheaded by representatives of ordinary people with real integrity. They have already published concrete proposals as an alternative to the failed policies of austerity in their last budget submission. The fact that this is not widely publicised shows the role of the national media as PR agents for the govt. We either get behind this momentum or resign ourselves to debt slavery for us and our children.

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  • Talk about egos ” I didn’t get to speak its not fair” totally self defeating. Snatching deafeat from the jaws of success. Anyone who has heard joe Higgins speak and compare it to that self important ineffectual smoke salmon socialist Boyd Barrett would realise why he was not asked to speak. I am not a member of the socialist party I just realise who will impress and get the public out. Why must the left always factionalise. If the swp really have the interest of the people in mind they would not undermine the first mass rejection of the austerity agenda

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    • Your description of the eternally angry RBB is sop on, Orla. Totally “self important”.

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    • Should read “spot on” ….

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    • Orla – the extreme left will always factionalise because their need to be ‘right’ is stronger than their need to be successful

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    • RBB- self important? For crying out loud, what is wrong with you people? Of every TD he has protested the austerity measures the most, he has organised and attended rallies, spoken up on ordinary people’s behalf, all while he gets abuse from people who are just jealous that he was brought up by wealthy people. reminder people, the guy was adopted, he didn’t have the ultimate privilege that most people have in being brought up by one or both of their biological parents. He hardlly could have chosen what family adopted him at the age of >0 years. in my opinion they were right. there should have been equal time given to those who wanted to speak, but I’m sure lessons will be learned. More serious problem is people attacking RBB. Cheap. What are YOU doing for Ireland? I can guarantee it’s not close to RBB’s contribution.

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    • There’s a theory that leftys factionalise and shoot themselves in the foot because they are the part of the populace that constantly questions authority and others and each other instead of like right wingers who follow the herd. It’s kinda like herding cats. Here’s a visual of herding cats:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk7yqlTMvp8

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    • Extreme left?! Where are you people going, relative to the Labour Party these guys are right of center. Some of you seriously need to holiday out of Ireland once in a while, perhaps visit an “extreme left” country like say, Denmark.

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  • I am sitting here at the rally feeling very angry at this attitude by the Socialist Workers Party/ People Before Profit. I am a member of the Socialist Party but my county campaign had no interest in this divisive, negative party politic nit picking. If you are active in the campaign with something coherent and interesting to say we in Co Clare will listen regardless of allegiance….

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  • I’m firmly opposed to this household charge. I have not, and will not be registering for it but I find it uterly laughable that Mick Wallace has the gall to stand in front of a banner saying “Make the rich pay for their crisis”. As a property developer on the verge of bankruptcy, Wallace is part of the problem, not the solution.

    The man’s a joke.

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  • politicians all the same,i am an ordinary householder who has decided not to pay this charge,what the fuck does it matter who spoke at what time,all looking for the glory SAD,SAD,SAD

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    • Just shows what some of those politicians are really interested in I think, self preservation and promotion. It’s not really the principle of paying this tax but merely a platform for their own interests.

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  • Antoin you mean like Rabitte, Gilmore etc listened to the people and split the Workers Partyand became democratic left and then listened again and merged with the Labour Party. That has worked out real well hasn’t it and had nothing of course to do with chasing power and self aggrandisement.

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  • The reaction against the household charge is widespread and not an a issue that will be hijacked by fringe parties and extreme left. Ordinary people with moderate centrist views will object by not paying. A fight amount the people organising that rally is a red hearing as those there today would be protesting about some issue or another anyway as they are politically aligned. The amount at protest a fraction of those who will not be paying which looks like around one million

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    • Eh, hijacked by them? Are you forgetting who actually initiated the bycott of these charges? It was the left and it was the independent TDs who called for it. All credit to people for standing their ground, for the first time in years I am proud to be Irish again, but give credit where it is due.

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  • It’s too easy to sit at home at a keyboard and gripe. RBB can hold his head up HIGH. Just as every person refusing to pay this charge can. I am proud to be Irish today. Are you?

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  • Well they found a soocialist appealing enough for Áras an Uachtaráin, I think you are making major assumptions about these guys when you begin describing them as far left, and Trots. Are you suggesting Flanagan is genuine and Joe Higgins, Joan Collins or any of the others are not? Working people are being shafted in this country they have no voice in the mainstream media , most are too busy trying to survive than spend time feking around on internet news sites. I think the cosy establishment are in for a rude awakening over the next few months, they have no idea the level of anger that is out there on the ground. FF are dead if not buried, next will be the government parties, and if it takes a government of independents to get this country back on its feet again so be it, nothing could be worse than the shower that are in there right now, bunch of wafflers and spoofers.

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  • I think the point Boyd Barrett was trying to make, as was Thomas Pringle is that the campaign should be apolitical insofar as not one party should be seen as driving it. The whole reason why the SWP formed PBPA was to encourage those who had become hostile to the neoliberal agenda, yet are not totally convinced by Trotskyist policy. The fact that the Socialist Party are by far the most ardent and uncompromising of the far left in this country could deter non-Marxist left wing people from supporting the campaign, that is if they (the socialist party) are hogging the limelight so to speak.
    On a different yet not unrelated note, one of the most genuine politicians involved in this campaign seems to be Luke Flanagan. Anytime he is asked a question its never coded in Trotskyist ideology, it always seems to be from the heart and what he genuinely sees to be wrong in society.

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    • Was Connolly a “Trotskyist”, while you’re labeling these, people? He was good enough to name a train station after anyhow, wasn’t he, for a leftist? Given our history I’m always fascinated none of you ever seem too concerned about the goose stepping far right. You’ll vote smiling crooks into government election after election, and yet someone like Joe Higgins who has never set a foot wrong in his political career, stayed true to his word, is considered some kind of subversive. Think some people need to reflect on the herd behaviour they get caught up in on these websites.

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    • To be fair it would have been hard for Connolly to be a Trotskyist when he was cold in the grave by the time Trotsky became prominent

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    • Not the point, if you’re going to put quasi pejorative labels on people how would you label Connolly?

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    • Sorry, I did not intend to offend Trotskyists, Im just saying much of what they stand for is not appealing to the Irish public, thats just the reality. Trotskyists is not an offensive label.

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    • You mean the either sold out their ideology for populism or hid it to fool people. Either way it seems to me they are it is disingenuous. If you believe in something you should be willing to declare it the whole n people before profit is an attempt to renege on their socialist roots. At least with the socialist party they are proud of their beliefs and ideology. They do what it says on the tin ie the socialist party. It is extremely disingenuous to say what he wanted was it to be apolitical it was clearly throwing the rattle out of the pram when he didnt get enough attention and allowing the right wing trolls here to have a real laugh at the lefts expense. I will again emphasis I am not a member of the socialist party rather a retired activist who saw all this kind of infighting shit before in the eighties. The swimies never change just the faces. Joe Higgins has always remained true to his politics and integrity

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    • You call it “selling out”, I call it listening to the people. The reality is the majority of Irish people are hostile to the ideology espoused by the far-left in this country. Socialism that adheres to Trotskyist principles runs parallel to the foundations on which this state was built, the fact that this state is a state runs in contradiction to Trotskyist ideology.

      Of course people will be hostile to the neoliberal agenda, because it is inherently unfair in the distribution of wealth and power, but the rigorous political and social constraints Trotskyist Socialism places on people is far from fair either, and is certainly repugnant to the will of the Irish people.

      The way i see it is that if the Socialist Party or any other far left conglomeration continue to hide in the delusions of their young-Hegelian ideology they have no hope of becoming a viable political force on the island and their arrogance is tantamount to high Stalinist state socialism, albeit without any of the power Stalin wielded.

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  • His upbringing has nothing to do with it you are ten only one raising it. Believe it or not this is not about Rbb even if he believes it is. It is about the fact that just as a major blow against the austerity agenda is about to be landed the Swp leak an internal document to undermine the whole broad based opposition. All because they feel they didn’t get their fair share of the limelight How incredible self defeating. As a constituent of RBB I will never again vote for him. He and and his party need to realise they need to leave self interest and egos at the door if you want a broad based alliance to work
    Workers united will never be defeated. Unfortunately this has never properly happened yet in Ireland.and Rbb was set back the possibility with his ridiculous staged leak

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    • That last post should have addressed Lisa’s post about Richard Boyd Barrett

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    • You referred to him as ‘smoke(sic) salmon socialist Boyd Barrett’. The smoked salmon is surely a reference to his wealth inflicted socialism as you perceive it, is it not? do you also not get that just because his parents are wealthy does not mean that he is? He is making his own way, and working hard for his money. Anyway regarding this issue RBB did a lot of work on this campaign and he and each and every one of the TDs behind/supporting the campaign should have been allocated equal speaking time if they wanted it. At the end of the day he has put the work in and he wants to and needs to have his ‘voice heard’, by both his constituents and every Irish citizen. This was a critical time to be heard so he and the others had every right to be miffed. they’ll work it out though, or i hope so, this group is the best hope Ireland has politically and I can only hope that there will be more people as genuine and brave as them in the future.

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  • SWP up to their old tricks again eh?
    They are …… literally…… world renowned for this sort of thing.

    I went to a protest about Roscommon Hospital, and RBB was going around shaking people’s hands saying, “thanks for coming”. AFAIK, he had nothing to do with organizing it.

    I wonder does he do the same when he attends other peoples parties?

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  • Joe Higgins TD. has a wonderful way with words, the fact that he talks pure nonsense should not detract from that. Workers of the world unite against greed

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  • So much for being a “United” Left Alliance…

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  • Funny seeing Mick ‘The Vibrant One’ Wallace protesting on this issue. What makes him ‘left’ I wonder, the fact that his ‘Big developer’ dreams have turned to smoke or what, isn’t he being chased by his creditors too, plenty of small ones too I’ve heard. A bit of a hypocrite IMHO. Or is this unity based purely on a casual/trashy dress sense, which I share totally.

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  • The photo above with Mike Wallace in it speaks volumes for the stupidity of the people involved

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  • Higgins calling anyone delusional is like the kettle calling the pot black.

    Socialism is founded on the need to be right more than being righteous.

    Seems strange seeing pinky wallace in the picture – he may be a nice guy but he’s one of the reasons the country is in the mess it’s in.

    RBB is a class act. He wants to see the wealthy taxed to the hilt. Watch him change tac when he inherits daddy’s pot of gold.

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  • Could anyone imagine this lot trying to run a country not to mind a rally!

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  • What would you expect from a shower of clowns!

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  • This group will only gain real respect when they combine to produce a constructive set of policies. The opportunistic protest campaigns they have so far initiated are only self serving tactics to keep them in the eye of enough people to ensure election to the Dail or other bodies. They are the best example of parish pump politicians to be seen. The best thing they could do for the country is to volunteer to downsize the Dail by resigning. That would be a real positive contribution to the recovery of the countries finances.

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  • No I certainly do not mean people like Rabbite and Gilmore, because they abandoned all their Left Wing principles, I am not opposed to Left Wing politics at all, just the Far Left. Your making it sound like if one alters their views somewhat to come more in line with the general public they are somehow traitors to their ideology. That to me sounds like extremism.

    By the way I would take issue with the Workers Party, because like most far left groups, they spent more time discrediting other groups than they did helping people. When they were Official Sinn Fein, they were more concerned with reading Mao and Marx than helping the nationalist population in the North.

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