Silly and an extreme lack of insight into the reasons for the veto.

Some Polish anti-Russian bias I suspect.

Or a rational if flawed argument that they are demonstrably doing the wrong thing?

The ones that are demonstrably doing wrong are the ones supplying arms and support to terrorists, and buying off diplomats. China and Russia should be commended for quenching the imperialist ambitions of the other lot at the UNSC table… Otherwise there would already be a full-scale regional war in the Middle East which would soon go global as the rest of the world suffers economic meltdown.

That’s a rational argument

No, it’s a speculative argument. Who are you labelling as terrorists here? What imperialist ambitions have Russia and China quenched? When and how?

Why should China or Russia be commended for anything while flagrantly denying the fundamental rights of their own people?

It’s all a part of the neo-liberal global conspiracy to take over the world one country at a time. What don’t you understand?

In all seriousness, while people try to flex their brain cells by being the person who “gets it right” about Syria people are being killed on both sides over there. While we stand around with our fingers up certain body parts trying to denounce each others conspiracy theories.

Iran is the real prize and Syria has been targeted because of their association. Regime overthrow in Syria is a preliminary step toward an invasion of Iran, an invasion which would have started already if Russia and China stepped aside.

What happens at home in Russia/China is nothing compared to the consequences for all of us in the event of an attack on Iran

@Imran are you for Real? Really you think that it’s just some kind of Poland against Russia thing? Stupid. Yeah speechless I am. I don’t care who is selling weapons to whom, what I care about is the fat that there are people dying there for a poxy long time now. Stupid ignorance of somebody who is narrow minded.

Stupid? Who’s the one suggesting the UN simply kick Russia and China out?

People were (rightly) quick to condemn when the US was arming that other Baathist dictator Saddam Hussein. It’s funny how malleable some people’s moral standards can be…

That so called Sovereign Government are using the heavy weapons supplied by the Chinese and Russians against unarmed civilians. Weapons being used against the Regime are largely small calibre arms used primarily for defensive purposes.
It is important to recall that the so called sovereign rulers of Syria have little legitimacy without the use of oppression against their own people.

*Ai Wei Wei

The down thumbs there demonstrate how happily people will ignore mass suffering when there’s a populist anti-US conspiracy theory argument to be had. Don’t get me wrong, I think the US is fairly damnable in most of its doings in the international community and many in its own but that’s not the bloody issue here!

This kind of nonsense is why the UN is so toothless. For shame. You’re all so pissed at the US for some half formed poorly researched reason that you’ll support China just to spite them even if what you’re supporting is a total lack of action to save innocent people. At least donate to the red cross for goodness sake.

The Syrian people don’t care about conspiracy right now, they need food and water and safety, not an argument on neo-colonialism.

We all know China and Russia are corrupt nations but Russia has 1 military base outside Russia and thats Syria. The US has nearly 200 military bases around the world and by official figures is by far the biggest supplier of arms to anyone that wants to buy them. I don’t think people are taking sides in this, its just the typical one sided view the press takes as if the west are little angels. Far more innocent people have been killed by American guns in the last 10 years than anyone else. Nearly 60% of US tax reciepts are spent on the American war machine and their has been massive protests in the US the same as China and Russia over the last year. The US is now offically a police state due to NDAA and anti protesting laws passed recently. U only have to look at the protests in Anahiem last week to see the Army with heavy weaponary facing down peaceful protesters. Can’t believe people are still fooled by the massive propaganda machine coming from the west. There ain’t no good guys in this, just the usual innocent victims in the middle east suffering because of power games between monsters.

These arguments are riddled with bias. A big spiel about innocent civilians then into a load of finger pointing and accusations. Don’t pretend to be unbiased when you clearly are – i.e relying on Sky news for the updates.

It would be great if we could trust the nice Americans and British to have no ulterior motives in this, but the same thing is happening every day in “Democratic Republic” of Congo. Is there any talk of supporting “regime change”? No.

Forgive me for not trusting America and the United KIngdom to have their hands clean on this one. I’d have thought people would have learned the lessons of Iraq…

The Syrian army is targeting civilians. That is a fact. Regardless of who started the uprising don’t you think something should be done to protect civilians? And don’t you think that UNSC’s inability to act is down to a veto from two countries with horrendous human rights records and a similar mood of rebellion among their people?

@George… Maybe you’re not armed with all the facts. The FSA is largely made up of people like these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xS2h5y61zo

No amount of spinning is going to change that fundamental fact. Look through Youtube, there are THOUSANDS of similar videos in which members of the Syrian Arab Army denounce the crimes of the Assad regime and pledge their loyalty to the Free Syrian Army.

Where, Stephanie?

They are only supplying loads of weapons openly, thru the sea ports which then is used to kill innocent civilians.
Yea – Russia and China are innocent!

Not arming anyone. Good one. For a minute there I thought you were serious.

If you are, well then I wouldn’t want to ruin it for you by pointing out that the Syrian army is bristling with tanks and weapons bearing Russian serial codes and export documentation now would I?

Gingerman what is the point in saying what really is going on .There is no point the masses are so brainwashed by what they are told and read its astounding .The US = wars in KOREA VIETNAM YUGOSLAVIA KUWAIT IRAQ LIBYA SYRIA and IRAN are next maybe CHINA and if ye haven’t heard they have nearly entire their naval armada anchored off the coast of china .They started dirty wars in nearly every country in south america and when Hugo Chavez forced the C.I.A out they tried to kill him but failed.Have all these countries needed saving for one reason or another or is it just and the most obvious if people actually took the time to look into it that they invade peoples countries on false pretense put in there own puppet government and strip the country of what ever they are after they go along killing millions along the way it is so obvious it s unbelievable but still ..still people believe their liberty and democracy propaganda 40 yrs of wars and their still the beacon of freedom they must be laughing their asses off at the gullible world .

@gingerman So you didn’t know that Russia has been shipping arms to the Assad regime all this time? I think you’ve disqualified yourself from having anything to say about the situation until you’ve looked into it a LOT more! The USA is not the only country with a military-industrial complex.

US vs Russia its on the way ..

Where do you think they get their tanks gunships and heavy weapons from all the syrian generals were trained in russia

Russia and China have legal contracts with Syria to supply arms, signed long before the current conflict started.

The US, on the other hand, is covertly arming terrorists in order to effect yet another regime change in a less than friendly country in the ME. Syria has been on the “Axis of Bullshit” list for over 10 years….. This entire conflict has been started by the US.

@ Imram, sorry to burst your bubble there but it’s actually Saudi Arabia and Turkey who are supplying weapons and manpower to the FSA. And they are only doing it because nobody will go in and put an end to the crackdown.

Although I’m sure you’ll find some other way to denounce them nasty yanks and their global empire.

Ah yes, the good ol Saudis….Nice chaps… And Turkey? Part of NATO aren’t they?

Most countries aren’t allowed to move weapons to 3rd parties without prior approval of the original supplier.

Are you sitting there telling me that the US doesn’t have an interest in seeing the removal of the regime in Syria?

All sides are as bad as eachother, but let’s call a spade a spade ffs

Jasom

Why shouldn’t America be helping the rebels and foreign fighters? This is a proxy war between Iran and Saudi Arabia. The US is allied to the Saudis therefor they help the Saudi backed rebels. Makes sense. Just like Assad gets help from Iran. Feel sorry for the people though. Regardless of who wins they lose! Personally I won’t pick sides, Iran and Saudi Arabia are both equally backwards and evil.

Of course the US should help its allies, but they should stop trying to pass themselves off as saviours of humanity and trying to sugar-coat their actual intentions. Which is the complete removal of any unfriendly regimes in the ME by whatever means necessary.