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Vatican official dismisses Cloyne report criticisms

Fr Federico Lombardi has described as ‘curious’ claims that the Vatican had encouraged cover-ups – sparking fury from abuse survivors’ groups.

Fr Federico Lombardi
Fr Federico Lombardi
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THE VATICAN HAS spoken out for the first time on the Cloyne report – to reject criticisms of the way it handled the clerical abuse crisis.

Fr Federico Lombardi, the Vatican spokesman, denied that a letter sent by the former Papal Nuncio to Irish bishops encouraged them to cover up abuse allegations. The Cloyne report described the letter, which objected to a framework set out by the bishops for handling abuse cases, as “entirely unhelpful”.

However, Fr Lombardi insisted it was “understandable and legitimate” to raise objections, as the measures risked contravening canonical law. “There is no reason to interpret that letter as being intended to cover up cases of abuse,” he added.

Fr Lombardi added that harsh criticisms of the Vatican following the report were “curious”, claiming they “demonstrate little awareness of what the Holy See has actually done over the years to help effectively address the problem.”

However Maeve Lewis, director of abuse survivors’ group One in Four, hit out at Fr Lombardi’s claims. Saying they “completely lack substance”, she added his words are “part of the now familiar refusal by the Vatican to acknowledge that the culture of loyalty and secrecy which facilitated the sexual abuse of children extended far beyond the Irish Church.

“It is further evidence, if needed, that the Vatican’s claim to prioritise the safety of children is completely lacking in credibility,” she said.

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Comments (34 Comments)

  • Out out out – time to expel the ambassador to the vatican and close our second embassy in Rome. They just don’t get it.

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  • The Catholic Church is a Pyramid Scheme. There are SOME good priests out there, but they are let down by the “holier than thou”s in the Vatican, who seem to think that they can carry on above the law. Canon Law CANNOT be above the law of the land. If the church refuse to acknowledge the law of the land then it is time to become a secular state. Fair play to Alan Shatter in the stand he is taking, it is time to show the Vatican that we WILL protect our kids.

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    • We’re already supposed to be a secular state…

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    • Unfortunately we’re not a secular state. Our constitution is riddled with references to religion. Indeed, it begins:

      “In the Name of the Most Holy Trinity, from Whom is all authority and to Whom, as our final end, all actions both of men and States must be referred…”

      The Dail also regularly engages in bouts of prayer.

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    • Well… the part you refer to is in the preamble, not Bunreacht na hÉireann itself. There are explicit references to freedom of conscience, association etc, as well as the removal of the RCC’s “special place” in the seventies, that point fairly conclusively to a secular state.It’s like the way the American Dollar, currency of a secular state, has “In God We Trust” printed on it – it doesn’t necessarily mean they’re a Christian theocracy.

      I’m not suggesting for a second that we are a de facto secular state, far from it when the catholics run our schools, have dictated social policy and have brought down governments, but in a de jure sense at least we’re a secular state.

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  • kate bh 20/07/11 #

    @Emma, you actually make no sense. i certainly make no claim to speak for anybody else here. i just was making an observation. you did not reply to my comments you instead have tried to steer the comments away from the actual point of the article and the debate. the catholic cover up is wrong. full stop! as for being on my knees.. i would never have to beg forgiveness for being myself.. i do not wish to live in a world controlled by fear which i believe you do.. if you are going to comment please try and make a point regarding your opinion on the church cover up as supposed to preaching non sensical musings about when our maker arrives!

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  • Seamus 20/07/11 #

    How is the Catholic church even still in business??? Yes, business, because that is what they are, a multinational corporation hell-bent on sodomy.

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    • Seamus that’s one of the most sensible things you’ve said for ages 

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    • I don’t understand how they still get a sizable portion of the population through their doors every week and why do they still control 90% of our schools given their total disregard for the rights and safety of children.

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    • The majority of the clergy are doing a wonderful job and spend their time helping the sick and needy. The people on here knocking the church will have a lot to answer to when the time comes to meet their maker.

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    • Ah now, let’s not taint fun and consensual sodomy between adults by conflating it with child abuse. I would also say the church as an institution is not so much “hell bent on sodomy” as hell bent on maintaining its power to the extent that it covers up for those members who do abuse children, making a mockery of their professed christian beliefs and clearly showing that the power and wealth of the church is more important to them than the suffering of children who have been victims of horrendous crimes.

      Apart from the quibble with the wording, I would agree with you that the catholic church is not only a business, it’s a corrupt business which has abused its power, taken advantage of the weak and falsely claimed a moral high ground for centuries and I would be glad to see the back of it, as I would be with all corrupt institutions.

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    • Emma: The church as an institution has been systematically covering up the rape of children and allowing such rapes to continue. Why shouldn’t we criticize that just because some of its clergy are managing to do good?

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    • @Emma

      Oh please, the whole “it’s not Fr. Murphy down the roads fault” excuse. Fact is that if they’re still wearing the collar, they’re still supporting that evil organisation.

      It’s like wearing a swastika, claiming you were one of the “good” Nazis and that you had nothing to do with the Holocaust – that argument doesn’t really hold water IMO.

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    • Emma… I agree that there are a lot of good clergy out there but would have thought that it would be the child abusers that would have more to worry about when they meet their ‘maker’ if there is one. Would have thought that standing up for the rights of the vulnerable by taking a stand against an institution that showed such a lack of ability to do the right thing would have been seen as positive…

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    • Emma, like in all walks of life and professions there are many of the clergy who do great work. But too many clergy knew that children were at risk and covered it up. You mention meeting your maker, well I think there are many members of the clergy dreading that moment and I am not just talking about the rapists and ones that beat children! The ones who stood by when it happened and the ones who continue to cover the abuse are just as culpable. And you would be hard pressed to find any priest, nun, brother who didn’t have an idea of what went on. I hate to bring things to an extreme but this is Ireland’s Holocaust and the Catholic Church are still denying it. They need to either come clean or get out of our country.

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  • I just think a lot of the clergy have no idea what they did wrong. They know that the abuse and rape of children is wrong but they seem to still think that the church comes first and that the cover up was for the greater good.

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  • @ Emma, I respect other people’s beliefs. However, the Catholic Church has, is and always will be built on fear, power and money. Yes, when someone in a person’s family is sick, they may turn to spirituality in whatever way they choose. The might decide to pray in a church. A person might attend their friend’s wedding in a church, out of respect for their friend and THEIR beliefs. That is what people do. Does this mean that covering up child abuse is ok? Do yourself a favour and read the book “Suffer the Little Children” which is factual and non-sensationalist and see what you think then. These people’s lives were DESTROYED. If there is a God, he loves THEM, not the guy in the big hat in Italy.

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  • kate bh 20/07/11 #

    @Emma, i don’t think the people on here really care about “meeting their maker” as i for one don’t believe i have a maker, except my mum and dad! while i do respect peoples religious beliefs i don’t agree with them being shoved down my throat. live and let live. it just so happens that the catholic church as an institution is corrupt and morally wrong with all its cover ups and lack of compassion for survivors of abuse. if you are as religious as you claim then where is your sense of right and wrong? because if you think defending the catholic institution regarding abuse is morally right, then i would have to question the morals and Christianity you preach.

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    • Kate, I’m glad that you feel qualified to speak on behalf of everyone here about meeting their maker just because you are not a believer. Although, I’m sure that you too will be looking to the true maker when someone close to you is being lowered into the ground in a coffin. Also, do you never stand in church when the priest enters to perform a marriage ceremony. Why not sit in protest, as to stand just shows you to be a hypocrite not unlike most of the people on here knocking the catholic church. Everybody will have to answer one day and you are no different. You should be on your knees now begging for forgiveness.

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    • Emma – I’m more than happy for Kate to speak for me, her views seem sensible and rational. Non-believers are also as entitled to not believe as you are to believe. You should perhaps consider your own hypocrisy in being a Christian but not putting those poor abused children before the institution of the church.

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    • Emma: I am glad I am not you. Your world-view seems so narrow and filled with fear and judgement.

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    • @Emma, you ask “Why not sit in protest, as to stand just shows you to be a hypocrite…”
      How does standing show you to be a hypocrite? To me it shows respect for your friends’ (who have invited you to their wedding ceremony) religious beliefs. By claiming to be “the one true church” it is the catholic church that has no respect for the beliefs of others.

      Eskimo: “If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?”
      Priest: “No, not if you did not know.”
      Eskimo: “Then why did you tell me?”

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  • I know lots and lots of members of the catholic church, clergy and otherwishe, who are kind, moral people trying to do their best every day but I reckon it’s time to throw this Papal Nuncio out!! Who the heck do they think they are anyway. Saw an article yesterday where a monsignor was defending the pope cause sure ‘didn’t he make a public apology to the victims..what more could do they want’? Incredible that the hierarchy expected this all to go away with the pople making a public apology. As many abvoe say, they just don’t get it and never will.

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  • Fr Federico Lombardi has his head stuck up his ass if he thinks many are going to fall for his PR spin and schite.
    …Well except for the already brainwashed sheep!

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  • The Catholic church has a world-wide, consistent, organized approach to concealing rampant child sex abuse by Catholic priests. In places where it’s investigated by outsiders – like Philadelphia, Ireland, etc, they’ve found epidemic child rape and criminal cover up.

    It’s organized crime. Unlike the mafia, it’s not the primary job of the church to commit these crimes, but there’s no question that they committed tens of thousands of child sex crimes, and covered it up in criminal fashion, although they knew the laws well enough to outlast the statute of limitations.

    This makes them an organized crime institution, and they should be investigated like the mafia.

    The fact that they continue to ignore or fight the victims, and the fact that they continue to lie and mislead their sheepish congregation makes them a horrible church. God made the laws so simple, yet Catholic priests and bishops don’t follow them, and their congregation can’t figure that out.

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  • BIG SUPRISE AWAITS THE FUCKERS IN ROME WHEN THEY DIE……….NOTHING THERE…….WHAT A WASTE……ENJOY LIFE FOLKS

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  • Cloud Fairy smells and bells.Your god forgive Child Rape?.Gas the Fuckers.

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  • The real crime was and still is the cover up. There we see the real “church” protecting itself from all who would “attack” it.
    When the Church allows “all” its members to become ministers then maybe just maybe we will see the “church” return to its origins. I am a catholic by birth but I do not see that as being tied to an institution. Yes I believe I will meet my maker and I fully expect to meet a kind and forgiving God.

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  • Why are people asking for the spokesman of the vatican to be expelled. This is small fry – That punishment does not fit the crime. Just like the murdochs yesterday – Inda and his buddies should be pulling the pope and his buddies by the scruff of the neck to Dublin to answer questions. Then we send the file to the DPP and lock them all up.

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  • Sorry the Vatican spokesman rather than Papal Nuncio

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  • children’s safety and innoncense must be paramount in any society ,even in the animal kingdom adults ,mothers particularly will sacrifice themselves to save their young from predators.catholic ireland must be the only country that relies on the organization,group, that commit most of the sexual and physical ,and mental felonies against our children-the roman catholic church,and its clergy to write and then implement a bill of rights for the safety of our children.its like the wolf and the fox –agreeing -together to oversee the safety and welfare of the chickens in the chicken house.the priests and the bishops who enabled and facilitated and shielded and then helped them abscond abroad should be tried and jailed .the catholic church should be treated like the organized criminal empire it is and tried under the ricco act- racketeering and criminal organizations and put in jail all of the crime family. and made kaput never to rise again.thank god for rev.ian paisley =he should be irish president now.he is not afraid of rome.

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  • Expelling the Papal Nancio would send a clear message to Rome that they must recognise the rule of law on whatever state they hope to continue to preach. Another generation should see many of their churches being converted into parking lots and shopping centres anyway…

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  • EMacA 20/07/11 #

    Didn’t take long for someone to roll out Goodwin’s law!

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