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What will happen to Amhrán na bhFiann in 2012?

The copyright expires on Amhran na bhFiann, the Irish national anthem, tomorrow – 70 years after its writer’s death. One TD says she does not want to see it used “as a jingle in an ad”.

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THE COPYRIGHT WILL be lifted on one of Ireland’s most famous songs from tomorrow – Amhrán na bhFiann, the national anthem.

Penned by Peadar Kearney in 1907, the 70th anniversary of Kearney’s death this year means that EU copyright will no longer apply to the song.

The original English lyrics for A Soldier’s Song were written by Kearney, and Liam Ó Rinn translated them as gaeilge.

At an auction in 2006 in Dublin, the first draft of the song on paper was sold for €760,000.

Independent TD Maureen O’Sullivan told TheJournal.ie that she hopes the government will reclaim its copyright – which it has held since the Department of Finance acquired it in 1934 – on the anthem, but that it has to be enshrined in law for this to be the case.

“I do hope something will happen that it will be protected,” she said. “The people I had been in touch with about I will be in touch with again.”

“I don’t think it would be difficult,” she said of the process.

O’Sullivan said she was concerned about how the song could be used once in the public domain.

I wouldnt want it to be seen as a jingle for an ad.

Deputy O’Sullivan added that while most people are respectful towards Ireland’s national anthem, with social media and other avenues there is the possibility it could be misused.

The Dublin TD went to school with Kearney’s granddaughter and had been in touch with his family about the issue.

Now that the copyright has ended on the piece, it may beg the question for some about whether it needs to be replaced.

It was adopted in 1926 as the Irish national anthem, so do you think it is time to replace it – or would that be an awful thought?


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If you do think it should be replaced, what would you suggest as an alternative? Tell us in the comments below.

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Comments (63 Comments)

  • I am proud to have it as my national anthem. Damn it, its one of the most rousing anthem on this earth. I shall admit it brings tears to my eyes when i hear it played. I was there in Croke park, when we played England, for the first time. I get goosebumps remembering that day. Yes, we are all bollixed as a nation, but we are still a nation. I and all Irishmen and Irishwomen, should be proud of the fact, that we are Irish.

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    • Of course it’s rousing, it’s your national anthem… Do you not think every other country thinks their national anthem is the most rousing?
      So we want to keep a national anthem, that (let’s face it) most people don’t actually understand. That pretty much sums us up really… Cursing the darkness and raging against the light.
      How about we keep the music and just hummmmm hum hum hum hummmm…?

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    • “I never understood national pride. To me, pride was something that was celebrated because of individual accomplishment, not randomness of birth. Being Irish isn’t a skill”

      - George Carlin

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  • As we approach the 100th anniversary of 1916 and in a time where our sovereignty is temporarily out of our hands we need to retain and be proud of our national anthem. It reminds us of our roots as a nation and of the dreams of our ancesstors. It should be retained at all costs.

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    • The same cut of people that want to get rid of the anthem are the same cut that got us in to this mess in the first place. Your dead right Keith.

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    • @tim, I don’t think you can pin the recession on maureen o Sullivan. It was actually those ‘green jersey’ wearers who said it was unpatriotic to mention recession. The same sort of irrational patriotism that clouds judgement on any discussion re national anthem, or Irish unity. We are Irish by pure chance of birth.

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    • Donncha. Your family are your family by chance of birth too. Nothing wrong with love and loyalty even if by chance.

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  • Is may be just me, but I think our national identity has nothing to do with the current economic climate. In good times or bad, we’re still Irish. Like your life, whether things are going good or bad, it is what you make of it! Everyone who moans about the IMF taking the country over, remember that we are still IRISH!! We can still be proud of that, and no one can take that away. Iwould not like to see the anthem changed, it is what we all grew up with, and I think the words mean less than the sentiment associated with it. It is quite simply ours. Even in a nightclub at closing people stand when its played, no new song will ever get that reaction. Copyright, IMF, eurozone crisis. None of these can ever change the fact that we are IRISH, and we are PROUD TO BE!

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  • Of course we have to keep it! Otherwise Ryanair would find some way of using it in an ad…

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  • Amhrán na bhFiann mar atá abú!

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  • What ever happened being proud to be Irish..being proud of our history & heritage..i cant beleive this question is even being asked..if some people had there own way there would be an xfactor style tv show for a new national anthem..shocking

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  • horrified that anyone would even consider changing it… horrified! it’s the national anthem and that’s how it should stay!

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  • Its kinda sad that a replacement national anthem is even being discussed. Its OURS and I love it! Gets the heart pumping everytime.

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  • It should never have been under copyright.
    The purpose of copyright is to give creators a limited monopoly on their work to encourage them to create, and therefore enrich the public domain. Nothing created by or for the government requires this incentive – it should always belong to the people who paid for it.

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  • Mos 31/12/11 #

    Just imagining “Go Harvey Norman, go!” in the tune of “Sinne Fianna Fáil”!

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  • Eamonom 31/12/11 #

    I always have to laugh when people describe a tune as being too militaristic! Seriously how can a melody be militaristic? What qualities does a melody have to have for people to go “oh yeah let’s go invade xyz”
    If its been arranged for a marching band (which is the format I guess we mostly hear the anthem in) then any melody would sound that way. Godspeed, you black Emperor! played by the Artane boys band would still sound militaristic.
    Brain Boydells arrangement (which used to be played on the TV at the end of transmission pre-digital days) shorn the melody of a lot of these military connotations.
    Sorry but most people talk a lot of nonsense about music without actually knowing what they are talking about. And in case of a national anthem this phenomenon is only more prevalent

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  • Aleo 01/01/12 #

    I think the part of Amhran na bhFiann that is usually sung translates as follows:

    Soldiers are we, whose lives are pledged to Ireland,
    Some have come from a land beyond the wave.
    Sworn to be free, no more our ancient sireland
    Shall shelter the despot or the slave.
    Together we’ll man the bearna baoghail
    In Erin’s cause, come woe or weal.
    Mid cannon’s roar and rifle’s peal,
    We’ll chant a soldier’s song.

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  • A friend of mine always sang the last line as “Shoving Connie around the Green”. I hope we’ll be giving Connie a push for many years to come.

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  • what about the specials ghost town

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  • Any people don’t know the words of it a disgrace,but they know how to rap.

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  • Cpm 31/12/11 #

    My remix will be on iTunes from 12 tonight

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  • A lot of Irish sentiment here but it doesn’t reflect on the street. How cheap we have let ourselves be sold down the Danube. Those speaking truths here are the ones thumbed under the most. What does that say about us. An unknowing of who we are? What we stand for? What we could stand for?
    Cheap…

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  • As an Irish speaker I think it should have been kept in English, people find it easier when they know what they are singing…….

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  • Does it matter?? We have already lost our identity as a nation

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  • A Soldier’s Song
    We’ll sing a song, a soldier’s song
    With cheering rousing chorus
    As round our blazing fires we throng
    The starry heavens o’er us
    Impatient for the coming fight
    And as we await the morning’s light
    Here in the silence of the night
    We’ll chant a soldier’s song

    Soldiers are we…

    In valley green, on towering crag
    Our fathers fought before us
    And conquered ’neath the same old flag
    That’s proudly floating o’er us
    We’re children of a fighting race
    That never yet has known disgrace
    And as we march, the foe to face
    We’ll chant a soldier’s song

    Soldiers are we…

    Sons of the Gael! Men of the Pale!
    The long-watched day is breaking
    The serried ranks of Inisfail
    Shall set the tyrant quaking
    Our camp fires now are burning low
    See in the east a silv’ry glow
    Out yonder waits the Saxon foe
    So chant a soldier’s song

    Soldiers are we…

    (we’re children of a fighting race)………………. Ireland to me is dead. The fight in the Irish is dead.
    Have your drinks and stand because thats the only time you stand for Ireland. Slainte.

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  • Sure whats being Irish anymore.?!?! just get the American or German anthems and be done with it.

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  • I’m amazed people find ‘Amhrain…’ stirring. It’s such a bland tune and the words, even if you know them, are like one long tongue twister. I’ve never really heard it belted out with any real passion – not like the French or US ones, which really do stir the blood. Even at matches it’s kind of hummed instead of sang. As anthems go, it’s pants.
    That said, dunno if I’d want it changed. As has been ( kind of) said, you can’t change your parents. It’s our national anthem and we’re kind of stuck with it now

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  • Maybe Maureen O Sullivan could spend more effort on helping people today than this issue. It may be important to have a identity with the national anthem given it historical value / nature. When someone suggested that we have another anthem for the rugby, it caused a stirr that isnt mentioned much nowadays. This is different and to be fair i can see how some might get angry about its demise or otherwise. Again, i think we have much more pressing causes at the minute for this to be a major issue. Someone somewhere in some department will get this sorted, so maybe the rest inclusive of Mr o Sullivan can concentrate on doing something more productive for the Nation.

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    • In fairness just because there are pressing issues that doesn’t mean everything else should be shelved. our current pressing issues wont be resolved in the next 24 hours. they won’t be solved in the next year. it’ll take about 5 years minimum to resolve those issues. would you suggest that for those 5 years we only focus on banking and the economy and absolutely nothing else? no national anthem for 5 years…

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    • Brian, my comment wasnt suggesting that we do without an anthem or that everything else should be shelved. I also didnt suggest that we focus on banking and the economy and nothing else, but im sure you read my comment intently! What i was saying was I wasnt overly keen on a minister focusing on this one issue as I believe, rightly or wrongly, that there are more important things that should be focused on. It was interesting to see the comments on here afterwards when people got angry about the saving of an anthem or not. Those who expressed reasonable comments were polled down and others who made quips polled highly. Not a fair indication of the overall topic. I didnt suggest that the “pressing issues” which directly affect peoples lives could be overcome in 24 hours, however some perspective on what affects me and any others would be the economic climate. With no disrespect intended, the national anthem wont pay my bills or keep me from poverty, maybe it would for some. If the anthem is such a big issue for you then fine, i respect that, but would hope that you respect my observations as well.
      In fairness just because an anthem may loose a copyright will not inadvertently help the poor of this country.

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  • Presidential runner up Sean Gallagher suggested during that campaign that it was too ‘militaristic’ and it should be changed. I agree. It was too rigid anyways.

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    • Thought Sean liked using militaristic language myself!

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    • It’s not militaristic at all. It’s actually quite an inclusive proud song.

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    • and its in Irish aswell and therefore i havent a clue what it translates too so i shouldnt have commented on what it sound like…thats how shamelessly useless the way Irish was taught in school in the 80s or 90s anyways.

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    • Seans idea not mine. im just going by what it sounds like havent a clue what it translates too. Thats as a result of how badly Irish was taught in school.

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    • I agree with you David that Irish is taught very badly in Irish schools. After living abroad for a few years the only one of my kids that can understand Irish is the one that spent 3 weeks at An Gaeltacht. They are exempt from Irish in school now as an exam subject but interested in learning it and intend going to An Gaelteacht this summer.

      I believe that it should be only taught orally in national schools and only by native Irish speakers. Reading in Irish could be introduced from 4th class but fgs no spelling tests. It’s a beautiful and romantic teanga and should not be lost!

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  • Let all the emblems of nationalism go. Between religion and nationalism this country and many others have lost so many of their sons and daughters it is sinful.
    The cost alone of Irish to the people of Ireland is huge. We could save a lot of money from not duplicating everything as a result of the Irish language. Our kids learning Irish – for what? They would be better learning Manderin or German. All the subsidies to the Irish cause like TG4 and Irish radio is a waste of good money that could be better used. Road signs and street signs would half in price. Again who needs Irish signs in pubs, clubs, airports etc. cut out this waste of money and feed the poor people instead. At times like now it is a real luxury to have a second language for a minority and the country bankrupt. Muslims are the second biggest community in Ireland and do they get equal support? Will we triplicate all our official documents? Should we? The answer is no. I did notice about 60 cars clamped at the mosque in Sandymount not so long ago on the day they worshipped and on Sunday (every week) in Donnybrook none of the cars are clamped on double yellow lines. Real Irish.

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  • Keep the anthem, change the first line … “Sinne Fianna Fáil” … FFS!

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  • Keep the tune change the words.

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  • I thought our national anthem had been replaced a while back and that this is now it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D0W7H1Uca0&feature=related.

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  • new Anther could point the way for the people…

    suggest..
    down, down,deeper and down.

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    • What about Jump Around by the House of Pain. They were Irish Americans so they’d be representative of the Irish diaspora around the globe. Plus it would be some craic in Croke Park on All Ireland day.

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  • limofax 01/01/12 #

    Replace it with the Angelus.

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  • Couldn’t care less, never stood to attention for it in my life, won’t shoot people for my country either, will the GAA be sending athletes to 2012 or will they keep all the money they get from unpaid athletes breaking sweat kicking a round yoke up and down a field to be told they were useless today!!

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  • Reinstate the original Irish anthem, “Let Eireann Remember”.

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  • Replace it with “There is an isle” replacing the words ‘bonnie isle’ by ‘emerald isle’

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