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Anti-gay bill sparks outcry in Ukraine

A group of lawmakers wish to ban gay pride parades along with TV shows and films sympathetically portraying gay people – such as “Brokeback Mountain”.

Ukrainian lawmaker Pavlo Ungurian speaks to reporters about a bill that calls for banning the
Ukrainian lawmaker Pavlo Ungurian speaks to reporters about a bill that calls for banning the "propaganda of homosexuality" in Kiev, Ukraine
Image: Sergei Chuzavkov/AP/Press Association Images

IF A GROUP of Ukrainian lawmakers succeeds in its mission, TV shows and movies sympathetically portraying homosexuals such as “Brokeback Mountain” will be banned. So will gay pride parades.

The recently introduced bill, supported by the president’s representative in parliament, would impose prison terms of up to five years and unspecified fines for spreading “propaganda of homosexuality” — defined as positive public depiction of gays in public.

It has sparked an outcry from rights organisations in Ukraine and beyond, who condemn the bill as a throwback to Soviet times when homosexuality was a criminal offense. They also warn that harassing the gay community could lead to a spike in the HIV/AIDS epidemic in Ukraine, one of Europe’s most severe, by driving gays further underground.

Intolerance

Although homosexuality was decriminalised in Ukraine and neighbouring Russia after the fall of communism, animosity toward gays remains high across the former Soviet sphere. St Petersburg, Russia’s second-largest city and regarded as one of the country’s most sophisticated, this year passed a law mandating fines of up to $33,000 for promoting homosexuality among minors. A gay pride parade in the Georgian capital ended in a scuffle with opponents in March.

The Ukrainian bill comes in the wake of organisers’ decision to cancel the country’s first gay-pride parade in May, which they made after hearing that hundreds of potentially violent opponents of gay rights had come to the capital.

Two Ukrainian gay rights activists have been brutally attacked in recent months.

The hostility toward homosexuals raises concern wider questions about tolerance in Ukraine and whether the country is truly capable of embracing Western values as strives to join the European Union. In the run-up to last month’s European football championship, co-host Ukraine was rocked by allegations of racism, as fans at one stadium performed monkey chants directed at black players.

‘Not evolution, but degradation’

Pavlo Ungurian, one of the six lawmakers from various parties who authored the bill, told reporters Monday that growing acceptance of gay rights in the West is “not evolution, but degradation” and needed to be fought.

“Our goal is the preservation of the moral, spiritual and physical health of the nation,” Ungurian said. “We must stop the propaganda, the positive description and the publicity … of this abnormal lifestyle.”

Ruslan Kukharchuk, who heads the group “Love Against Homosexuality” and campaigns in support of the bill, said the legislation would make TV dating shows involving same-sex couples and movies like “Brokeback Mountain,” which explores the romantic relationship of two cowboys in the United States, illegal. Gay pride events and parades would also be banned.

Kukharchuk charged that homosexuality is an illness and that people must be treated for it. In 1990, the World Health Organisation removed homosexuality from the international classification of illnesses.

“We believe that homosexuality is a disease, it is a psychological disorder of a person and without a doubt there must be institutions, perhaps even financed by the government, to help such people get rehabilitation therapy,” Kukharchuk said.

No date has been set for a vote on the bill in parliament, but Kukharchuk hopes it will be considered in September before a parliamentary election in October.

President silent

President Viktor Yanukovych has kept mum about the initiative, but the fact that his parliamentary representative Yuri Meroshnichenko supports the bill is an indication that Yanukovych may back it as well. It was unclear how much support the bill enjoys among lawmakers.

Anastasia Zhivkova, a gay rights activist, called the bill “a throwback to the Middle Ages” that would even further clamp down on Ukraine’s gays and lesbians, most of whom already hide their lifestyle because of a severe public stigma. For every one gay Ukrainian who is out, another 80 are forced to conceal their sexuality, according to gay groups.

The United Nations Development Program said in a statement that the bill amounts to “state-supported discrimination against” gay, lesbian and transgender groups and could fuel the AIDS epidemic in Ukraine, by preventing them from getting proper information on preventing and living with sexually transmitted diseases.

Zhivkova said gays are forced to hide their relationships not only from their work colleagues, but also from their relatives, often cutting vacation photos in two, to avoid showing who accompanied them.

“A great part of our life remains in the shadows,” Zhivkova said. “All the time you balance between being an outcast or a criminal.”

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Comments (62 Comments)

  • In the words of Louis C.K: “It doesn’t have ANY effect on your life. What do you care? People try to talk about it like it’s a social issue. Like, when you see someone stand up on a talk show and say “How am I supposed to explain to my children that two men are getting married?…”. I dunno, it’s your sh**ty kid, you f**kin’ tell ‘em! Why is that anyone else’s problem? Two guys are in LOVE but they can’t get married because YOU don’t want to talk to your ugly child for f**kin’ five minutes?”.

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  • Do be careful because even though Gay can’t be caught simply by being near a same sex couple, it can be sexually transmitted. Straight couples have Gay babies all the time… maybe it’s those sort of subversive straights that the Ukranian authorities should be cracking down on.

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  • Proposed legislation just doesn’t get more backward than that.

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  • Looks like Ukraine will be adopting the ‘pray the gay away’ policies of so many churches! God gives many things, including the right to be an arsehole!

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  • Yasser..most gay people live ‘private’ lives..not all gay people fit into what YOU THINK a gay person is…gay people who support/promote pride or gay rights are normal people..they work in offices, they work in community support services, they teach, they have mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, cousins etc!

    People fight for basic human rights in many different ways..whether its flying a rainbow flag or whatever else..all part of our diverse human family.

    Thank goodness/GOD for all the diversity in humanity, in nature.

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  • You would have thought by now we would be past stupid laws and that everyone would just accept same sex marriage the same way they would accept opposite sex marriage

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  • These guys are living in the dark ages, between this and monkey chanting at the Euros. It would be great if we could speed up their evolution a bit

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  • Ahhh the enlightened views of a narrow minded member of the catholic church no doubt.

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  • My mother would for a start, as would all the mothers I know. The only mothers that would struggle in that scenario are the ones ignorant to homosexuality.

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  • On reading this I guessed religion was behind the intolerance shown and guess what, Mr. Unguryan is a head of the Union of Young Christians of Ukraine. He is also the chairman of the Youth Committee of All-Ukrainian Union of Churches of Evangelical Christian Baptists. Living by the rules of the bible, I’m surprised he’s not calling for the death penalty. These brainwashed idiots shouldn’t be allowed hold positions of authority.

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  • Ray D 23/07/12 #

    Sure twas the Greeks, they invented homosexuality

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  • There’s so much wrong with that comment it’s hard to know where to start. Have you been in a coma since the ’50s or something Michelle?

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  • Waterford, I’ve missed you

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  • paul 23/07/12 #

    is it the journals readership or are the majority if people on the forums today just thick?

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  • Don’t know what word troll means when leaving comments, but think it fits previous comments.

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  • What a rubbish dump of a country thank god I live in Ireland

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  • Heaven forbid. I pity any mother put in such an uncompromising position. Lord have mercy on us all.

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  • @ Michelle Rowan

    I think you are an utter disgrace, especially seeing as you are wearing a tee-shirt of an organization that and I quote “believe all children should have the opportunity to unlock their full potential in life”.

    ALL CHILDREN

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  • On the up side, its kinda nice to know that we ain’t the most backward country in Europe! It was touch and go there for a while…….

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  • Dermot D 23/07/12 #

    Michelle, any reason you are using an image of a woman called Bethany Black from the UK?

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/An-Essex-Girl-Abroad/240414532686318

    https://mydonate.bt.com/fundraisers/bethanyblack1

    Is it maybe because you’re just a sad pathetic troll?

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  • No problem for the mother. She can just get her local priest to explain it to her child!

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  • Paul 24/07/12 #

    What primitive little men these lawyers are.

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  • Anybody surprised? Ukraine are a nation of bigots!!!

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  • peter 23/07/12 #

    I fully support equal opportunities for every section of the community gay or straight. I had to say that because ill get slaughtered for my next comment. Their right to ban brokeback mountain its absolute rubbish and it only won an Oscar because it had two gay cowboys in it.

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  • Scary stuff!

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  • “Our goal is the preservation of the moral, spiritual and physical health of the nation,”

    We need that in Ireland.

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    • paul 23/07/12 #

      yea like we need the Nazi party numb nuts.

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    • Paul 23/07/12 #

      C’mere Maurice, wtf are u on? If something is none of your business you should get on with your life and leave it be. I thought you were seriously engaging in the discussion about abortion and there was some hope for you but now you’re on about forcing gay, lesbian etc to conform and live a “normal” lifestyle, hiding their identity, being denied self respect and positive role models, civil rights, the chance for love and happiness and all the things most people dream of. It’s already difficult enough for a teenager to discover that they are part of a minority without experiencing hatred, fear and violence on top of it. There are lots of people who agree with your definition of normal but that’s no reason to force everyone to conform to it, and no reason to make people feel fear, self loathing, despair etc just because you personally find it distasteful.

      If they’re not harming you DIRECTLY (and that doesn’t include “it makes me feel icky”, if they were forcing you to take part you’d have something to be complaining about) then keep your nose out of other people’s business.

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    • Hi Paul,

      I don’t approve of gays being targeted in any way that includes violence, or lack of equality of opportunity or otherwise. But your assertion that it’s none of my business is incorrect. We’re all (normal people) affected by this homosexual propaganda and the gay agenda and we are all stakeholders in society and can have opinions on what we feel should and shouldn’t be legislated for. I’m sure you do, you seem very clear that anyone who doesn’t approve of the gay agenda “should mind their own business”. If you advocate keeping one’s nose out of other people’s business, then start by keeping yours out of mine.

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    • Paul 23/07/12 #

      How are you personally affected by there being a gay character in coronation street or whatever? It’s a serious question.

      If you find it distasteful that’s your business and it’s none of mine but when people try to put limits on what people can say, depict, whom they can associate with, that changes things.
      People discover they are gay in their early teens, they first pick up the courage to say it out loud to another person probably 6 or 7 years later. Can you imagine what it is like to discover that you’re one of the people so disgusting that they can never be mentioned? How alone, disgusted, suicidal might that vulnerable child feel for those long years. Compare that to how “the gay agenda” affects you. The gay character in the soap or boyband or whatever might be what prevents that child from serious harm or it might make you feel uncomfortable

      How exactly does the “gay agenda” personally negatively and directly affect you?

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    • Maurice sounds angry. I wonder why?

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    • @maurice- what exactly is the gay agenda? I’ve been looking in my calendar and the only agenda I can find is “buy milk, clean hamster cage and change bedlinen” My homosexual life is clearly abnormal and highly exciting.

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    • I can see your point and I’m open to persuasion. Isn’t that what a forum like the Journal offers – a platform for debate and a democratic tool so that people can be persuaded to a different outlook and be won over to a particular cause? Not to be told to mind your own business.

      Yes, I find it all a bit too much, the parades, the TV shows, the propaganda, the desire to redefine marriage, the whole package is distasteful. I find it icky to say the least, to see two men kissing each other in a sexual way, or prancing around in pink hotpants. I knew a very attractive girl/woman in Germany who disliked seeing men dancing! I have a friend there still ( woman) who dislikes seeing a gay couple together expressing affection. So, is there something wrong with us that we can’t get to a place of approving of the gay lifestyle?

      I appreciate that young people need role models and that a boyband, or someone like Boy George, has had a very positive impact on some younger gays, Antony Hegarty being one in particular I’m fond of. It’s great that many who are isolated in their homosexuality at a young age find companionship and solace from seeing BG or AH performing their music etc. and feel they can live their lives as gays without committing suicide.

      But what do the gays really want? Marriage? What’s next?

      Rather than go on, I’ll say that I find depictions and scenes on TV or real life of homosexuality offputting. They make me frown, while I smile if a see two heterosexual lovers walking in the park holding hands.

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    • @ Deborah

      It’s because I don’t like being told to mind my own business Deborah.
      Are you going to psychoanalyze me?

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    • Paul 24/07/12 #

      I don’t know what the gay lifestyle entails, as I’m pretty sure it’s an ‘à la carte’ kinda thing, just like the heterosexual lifestyle, but I don’t think there’s something wrong with you or your distaste, I’m sure we all have things that make us go euwww. The difference comes when we try to stop others doing something that’s only distasteful and not directly harmful to us or other innocent bystanders. Many many years ago at university we had to read JS Mill “on liberty” where he, in very flowery archaic language and long debate with himself investigates the rights and wrongs of individual liberty when there’s no innocent party harmed, basically the pagan commandment “and it hurt none do what thou wilt”. He basically argues that interfering in other people’s liberty is harmful to those interfering as well as those who are having their individual liberty unnecessarily limited or denied. It was in the context of this that I said you should mind your own business, apologies if the phrase caused offence but in this context I really believe it’s good advice to take in every aspect of life.

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    • Thanks for the apology and lecture.

      Maybe if you don’t know about the homosexual lifestyle, you might talk to some males who are no longer active and get some honest facts about the whole milieu. It’s not all love and rainbows and flowery hotpants.

      As for the question of my own distaste, I’m not too worried about that – it’s the sexualization and the proselytizing of minors that I’d be more concerned with.

      Yes, I agree that one should mind their own business as much as possible in life. It’s when liberties clash that there’s a problem. I believe gays and lesbians should be able to live their lives as they see fit, but that they shouldn’t be able to redefine marriage for the rest of us, for example, and I’m convinced a child does best with a mom and a pop, all other things being equal.

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    • Paul 24/07/12 #

      You took offence, I took time to explain where I was coming from and get accused of giving a lecture. Grand. I’ll know not to bother next time.
      A guy I know takes home a different girl three nights every weekend, never the same three girls. Another guy I know has only had 4 sexual partners in his life and is now married to the 4th and presumably last.
      Yet another guy I used to know got a sexually transmitted disease at home, his dad picked it up, it turned out his parents were into swinging.
      What’s the heterosexual lifestyle? What’s the gay lifestyle?
      Your simplistic idea of a “gay lifestyle” papers over a range of experiences just as wide as those three examples but rather than be accused of giving a lecture I’ll tell you to pull your head out of your a**e and open your eyes and your mind.
      It is not gay couples that allow children to go out in sexualised clothing or who fail to properly monitor their children’s behaviour so if you’re going to go throwing stones you’d want to be careful there.
      As for marriage equality, it was only when gay and lesbian couples decided they wanted to get married that you decided it was exclusive, up until the it was never mentioned that it was a straights only thing. Interestingly it’s the gay lifestyle, by which you probably mean promiscuity etc, that you seem to be opposed to, as evidenced by your references to public sexual affection and pink hot pants. Well they want monogamy and committed relationships which seems to interfere with your prejudices again, and now you have a problem with that. What exactly do you want gay people to do? Sluts or faithful partners? How about you mind your own business.

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    • No need for psychoanalysis Maurice. Everything’s fairly obvious now…

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  • A normal reaction to abnormal activities well done!

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  • I have nothing against gays only that its not right. When I was young if some one called you a queer ,If you didnt smack them you got no respect.

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    • What a pointless comment…’if someone called you a queer…if you didn’t smack them…’ where do you live? How do you measure respect? Hog wrestling?

      Discrimination is discrimination! This law, this right wing evil is dangerous! How many people growing up commit suicide because of laws and people who promote these laws?

      People who believe this kind of law is right believe that GOD is behind them! Well you might find it hard to believe but you are wrong!!

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    • Well its not right for you! Its right for all the gays though!

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    • yasser 23/07/12 #

      Brian. You wasnt brought up in a reform school and was in the army in the 70s, Its all PC now but deep down in privacy a lot of people agree with me. I have nothing against gays but it should be private like normal people.
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    • That’s right yasser , that’s the way it’s always been and always should be! Things should never change!! Bring back the magdalen laundries too! The harletts pushing their babies in prams in open daylight! Funny I never get these comments to my face! People only turn up to voice this nonsense when they’re on anon!! Homophobic people tend to believe they have never met a gay person!

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    • One day, we, normal people will be out there, parading the streets on a “normal” pride carnival, fighting for a cause, for our civil rights of being normal and for anti-discrimination against normal people. We will have to fight to decriminalise “normal” living.

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    • Fotocrat- you normal people already have a parade! You can walk down the street and hold your lovers hand, have a child without any one thinking about it, telling your boss about your husband or wife….. And nobody caring less!

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    • @Brendan Seem things are changing though. Unlucky us

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    • Speak for yourself Fotocrat, I’m straight and would like nothing more than to see gay people have the same rights & freedom as us so called normal people have. What difference does it make to you what others do in their bedrooms?

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    • paul 23/07/12 #

      OMG :O

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  • yasser 23/07/12 #

    The catholic invented homosexuals when they stop priests going out with women. Then the catholic said you cant have sex outside marriage. Then hairdressers and pop singers joined in and now the army is going to go along with it so thats the law now.

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