What do you mean ‘do something about it’?

I.e not just commission a report and then sit back and say “now, that’s that done..”

and who has done that? Not the church – plenty of new procedures, not the state – same, and constitutional change. Plenty of prosecutions too.

New procedures..sounds impressive.
Like the candy-floss window dressing of Saturday’s lipsticking on the pig.

And the taxpayer still carrying the compo can.

Sorry, Donncha, but fewer and fewer of the people, less and less of the time.
Its like the old chestnut about the boy that yelled wolf once too often, except in reverse.
The credibility erodes.
Its systemic, like the economy, stupid.

@damien, what are you on about?

Funny thing, Donncha..

..I might ask you that question.

If I thought you knew yourself.

I’m on about the Roman cult’s recidivist record of child rape and shape-shifting cover-up.

Most of these Pedophiles are also homosexuals you are so unashamedly frank in your description why not tell the WHOLE truth?

John, this is your second nonsensical comment. What evidence have you to support this wild allegation that “Most of these Pedophiles (sic) are also homosexuals”? I didn’t think the Catholic Church allowed in homosexuals.

Because most of the victims are BOYS
And you are right Homosexuals are not allowed into the Catholic church, so that means lots of those Pedophiles should never and we’re never real Priests but opportunist infiltrators’.

John, statistics from the US show that 75% of children that suffer sexual abuse are girls. I’ve never seen statistics from Ireland. Paedophiles don’t seem to care which sex they abuse. As far as I am aware there isn’t a shred of evidence to support your homophobic implication that Homosexuals abuse more than Heterosexuals.

Nuns were the teachers of girls Priests were the teachers of boys.

William you know very well we are talking about the Catholic school and orphanage system here , you are quoting general statics and you are doing this on purpose to mislead .
You obviously find it confronting to accept the reality that most pedophile “priests” are/were Homosexual and another thing no I am not as you suggest fearful of gays.

John, you are making sweeping and bigoted statements. Can we have some evidence?

As I said paedophiles don’t seem to care what sex the child is. In fact very young children could be described as not yet having a sexual identity.

Priestly paedophiles may have had more access to boys via schools, orphanages, altar boys etc and if there was a higher % of boys abused that could be the reason. You are trying to use the abuse of children by Catholic priests as a attempt to convince us that homosexuals, which the church constantly attacks, as being behind the child abuse. Talk about twisted and foul circular logic!

Thanks Conor, I am right on it.
I will give him some bedtime reading.

That they were selected for special advisory capacity is an added insult to the injuries inflicted over generations.

It is also evidence, for any with sense organs, of the tenacity of the cult and its retention of its grip on the parties purporting to represent us democratically.

Despite the collapse of its terror-grip inflicted in infancy, generationally through its defining role in shaping family life and its parameters, and the increasing secularisation of our young, the conservative superstitious rump retains its control on the management of our democratic means of management.

I’d like to see a law demanding full open access to all this institutions files…but then I’d also like open government.
If the Scientology cult had this control would it be as readily accepted?Has Scientology inflicted anything like the damage Rome has?

Second try.

Patricia, your Roman cult is at the centre of a perverted sexualisation of morality and ethics, for emotional mind-control and to suppress the original ethical lessons of interdependent humanism of the man deified and mythologised into arcane access to the initiated, as was the custom with the Roman authorities of two millennia back.
They simply incorporated his identity into their priestcraft; which goes back through the accumulated mass hypnosis techniques developed in Mesopotamia and Egypt and refined by the Jerusalem Sanhedran for social control, primarily through regulating the seasons’ activities with their astronomical and calendrical wizardry.
His teaching of a lateral, egalitarian interdependence was anathema to the high priest’s authority and their heirarchical social pyramid of wealth and power accumulation. Heresy was his primary crime. He broke their spells. After his elimination crucifixion had to be shelved, and other means of disposal used for any who penetrated the sacred veils of their voodoo. From Socrates to Buddha to Galileo the patterns holds. Do not challenge the heirarchy’s authority. From that secret cult stems the collective anti-rational rejection of thought and individual conscience. Superstitious ‘faith’ in the priestcraft must trump reason. The cardinal virtue must be obedience.
The church controlled(and still had huge power)over our heirarchical society to this day, no matter how many masks it wears. From the confessional to the constitution, the institution dictated.
Perversion thrives in such conditions, and self-preserves at all costs. Learn to think. Break their spells.

Patricia, the major “institution” involved in paedophilia world wide is the Catholic Church. The cover-up carried out by the Catholic Church was much more systematic that any other religious organisation. In Ireland, and probably in other countries, this cover-up was carried out in collusion with Catholic “authority” figures such as Catholic priests and Catholic politicians.

I’ve asked many Catholics this question without reply, how could an organisation that is supposed to be god’s representative on Earth carry out such widespread child abuse for decades, if not for centuries, and then cover it up by moving priests around the place to abuse again? Surely this paradox is causing you deep worry for your “faith”?

…. “Catholic police”… and not “Catholic priests” at the end of the first paragraph.

What about the Mosques ?

John
I have no knowledge of sex abuse involving Mosques but if there are then first let us see how they deal with it and yes if they carry on like the deviants who are running the catholic church…burn them out, it’s a term I am using for clear them out and make them live on the edge of society.

I read an article regarding a woman in England who went down to her local Mosque to search for her 10 yr old son who was late home , only to catch the local Iman in the act of raping him, she wet to the police and reported it , but a few nights later she got a visit from the ‘Men in beards ‘ it was pointed out to her that she was bringing shame on the Mosque and that was blasphemy . She quickly withdrew the complaint and moved out of the area, and no-, I do not have any proof . But I did read it in the mainstream press, and there are many similar reports that do not make it to the press..

John
To be honest I am not at all surprised as religions are among the most corupt organisations on the planet. However; I am disheartened.

Ah! Yes my learned friend, true Bullshit.
This is about the very top end of the catholic church bosses, deliberately hiding and destroying evidence.
We should confiscate all church property and close them down.
I am told that these huge buildings belong to a god eho never visits as he/she lives somewhere up behind the clouds.
So we should put them to good use, like shelter for the homeless. I think that any god worth their salt would be very happy with that. :-)

What a good catholic you are! For leaking letters you want a prison sentence but reporting child abuse is anti-church. Exactly the attitude which is destroying the church.

Since when is reporting on child sex abuse anti-Church? Or would you rather it was swept under the rug?

The impression of selective concern about child abuse is hard to demonstrate or prove. You would have to track the coverage of the various assurances in families, sporting organisations, non church child care organisations, BBC etc. to demonstrate bias.

Ann: Personally I believe that the media has done a huge service to the Church in exposing abuse.

That said, the bias creeps in where controversial stories, especially about sex in general and abuse in particular, attract a disproportionate amount of attention. The many documents from the Church on social justice, peace, care for creation, solidarity, worker’s rights etc hardly ever get reported, especially on this site. This is where the bias is to be found.

creation! lol

Ann, the royal commision in Australia is not limiting itself to the catholic church, but is taking in all organisations.
It was the catholic church that kicked it off though

@Pat

She’s not a good catholic. She’s a good Roman-cult sectarian. Their abuse of language is at the centre of their secretive jesuitical use of lies and distortion as a means to their end of totalitarian power by susperstitious belief.

Catholic means ubiquitous or universal and accessable to all..to couple this idea to a localised heirarchy is oxymoronic, self contradictory obfuscation and mumbo-jumbo.
Like nationalised socialismisms, it becomes a shibboleth for the initiated to exclude the gullible and manipulate them to whatever ends are expedient. The institution that gives this power then becomes the object of worship and obedience for its own sake. All means are then jusified towards this self-preservatory end.
Reason itself is thus a tool of irrationality through a process of defensive rationalisation of all acts serving the institutional survival. The result is a self-inflicted inability to learn.

What institution or TV corporation is next…

Tom Newman, you forget that these other organisations, such as swimming clubs, do not claim to be god’s representatives on Earth. The paradox here for Catholics is that such abuse occurred precisely because the Catholic Church is JUST a man made institution and not divine.

Tracy, in the Catholic Church’s list of priorities where does “workers rights” come in comparison with their obsession with sex? What percent of their spokesmen’s comments concern sex (gay marriage, homosexuality, condoms, abortion etc) v say world peace? You are in denial you know?

@ Ann Carroll Is this part of your convent training Ann? Best of look with the vows.