Oh they’re the Monaghan 4!!!! Terrifying, terrifying girls!!!!

Yes Reg. And when venues in Dublin were dubious and less than helpful regarding our ceremony , we opted to have ours in Leitrim and everyone bar none there was helpful nonjudgemental and brought us great joy. Rural Ireland is not xlosedminded and in my personal experience is less homophobic overall than Dublin

That’s great to hear Celtic Lady. Do they remove your sense of humour when you have a civil ceromony?

As far as I can see it is not the done thing for one from the perceived former or current oppressing group to make jokes which may be at the expense of the former or current oppressed group.

Don’t do it again.

I think you’re right there Damocles, consider me scolded. Even my subtle joke about discrimination (see below) seems to gone straight over many peoples heads. Must try harder next time!

I went to one to, friends of mine from Dublin had a civil partnership in Kilkenny because there was a 7 month wait in Dublin. Had a great weekend.

I went to one 7 years ago in Amsterdam.

I think if Jesus were walking the Earth today he would not approve and therefore neither do I. My opinion and I am entitled to it!

Yeah Aoife it’s your right to hold such opinions as long as you don’t force it on the rest of society.

I think Jesus is alive in the hearts of those who follow his message of peace, love and forgiveness. I think he does forgive you, Aoife, and therefore so do I.

I’m entitled to my opinion and that!

Well said Aoife, I do not agree with it either, but as we know Christ said this world is not of His Father, it belongs to the Devil, that is why Satan was able to offer Christ all the nations of the earth, because this material secular world is not of or for Christians. All we can do is live according to our belief, we can try to explain and enlighten others if they ask, but if they do not want, then let them off.

However, there are rules to attaining purity and thus unity with our creator, the rules are there because while we live a certain way, we cannot actually come near to that place called home, because to do so we need to be prepared and in a state that the next phase can physically accept. The spiritual world is not the physical world, and thus we have to prepare our spirit aspect in order to gain entry, it is not a law or policy, it is simply that round pegs do not go into square holes, so we have to exercise our spiritual aspect in order to make the transition, that is what Gods rules are about.

Btw Petr

Katie Taylor is a born again Christian, I think she would not approve of your own views ;¬]

Ah Aoife hopefully Jesus will forgive you for your lack of empathy and understanding for your fellow humans. Then again He may not! So I’ll send you some nice factor 5000 so you dont burn too much in hell. Just in case! Have a good day!

Me too! And mates of mine whose ceremony I was at a few weeks ago.

Fair enough, so would you deny me the equal pronouncement of: proud to be white?

be proud of whatever you want geedee, but i wouldn’t be proud about been open minded. you’re a long way from that

geedee

be proud for whatever reason you see fit, i wont stop you.

Wayne

Christ was God and man. As such then he was no different to all people in having God the Father and their own human father. Nothing special there.

To answer your first question:
“No specific sermon or story that Jesus may have given about specific homosexual behavior is found in Scripture. Nor does specifically use the word “homosexual” in scripture. But an argument from silence would be incorrect. The Bible does not record that Jesus ever mentioned rape, incest, pedophilia, or other blatant sins by name either. But just because Jesus does not mention them, does not imply that we should commit these offenses against God and each other. Jesus is very clear on the proper marriage relationship as mentioned in Matthew 19:4-5:
“Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh”
Jesus was also very clear about the concept of sexual immorality been an evil thought from within one own heart in Mark 7:21: “For from within, out of men’s hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery”
Additional Jesus did not come to abolish the law but fufill it. While Jesus abolished the cermonal laws of the Old Testment the moral laws of the Old Testment remain applicable.
The Bible also contains specific references to sexual imorality here are some examples in fact in the OT is was so serious it was a capital offence.
Leviticus 18:22 ‘Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.
Leviticus 20:13 ” ‘If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
I Cor 6:9-10 “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God”
Jude 1:7 “In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire”
In fact there is at least 9 specific references in the Bible (at least 4 in the OT and 5 in the NT about homosexuality and none are in support of it.

If God the father, Jesus, and the holy spirt are all God never changes God therefore condones homesexual behavior. It is simply that logical. Even though Jesus did not specifically mention it by name while he walked on this earth it is still a sin.
Source(s):
biblegateway.com
Strongs Exhustive Concordance
Gill’s Concordance”

Geedee, I would have taken your reply to me much more seriously if it wasnt for the above. You are clearly coming from an entirely Christian background. Your views have been shaped so. If morals were the same, we would have no murder etc, but morals are relative and reflective of context. I work in Social Work for a Catholic Organisation. I am not Catholic and my morals are different but we to Finish that. Don’t tell me morals aren’t relative. You are thought to love by Catholic teachings, but that becomes relative when it comes to your view on homosexuals I see?

Apologies, I wished to say that my morals are different but my work/employer recognises that.

@Geedee interestingly Christ was not called God until the Council of Nicea roughly 4 centuries after his death. Up until then he was merely a prophet. Strange that wouldnt you say? A council convened by men turning a dead prophet into a Hod? Where were their morals I wonder? Or was it all about control?

Your assertion that Christ said nothing about homsexuality is cirrect. But then again the gospels were written by men and are not the direct word of God. Plus they have been edited and revised so many times that their true translations are long gone.

Oh and not even judaism uses leviticus as part of their Torah, they consider it apocryphal.

But theres no point in me trying to edicate you while you cling to dogma. Am sureif you ever make it to heaven Christ will chastigate you for showing no empathy to your fellow humans, plus he’ll probably be disgusted you didnt use the marvel of our mind and conciousness for something other than spouting two millenial old dogma!

Have a good day. Christ might forgive but I cannot really be bothered!

homosexuality is mentioned 9 times in the bible eh? strange that, since the word homosexuality didn’t exist til the 19th century.

That would be discrimination!

Against who Reg?

It’s a joke Stephen.

Most hotels and wedding suppliers are delighted for the business. When planning ours we only came across two hotels that didnt want us, tried to put us off through various means. Was their loss in the end.

Are you mocking me?
I dunno whether I should be offended!

I hope not .

Well thankfully most people do seem to have a sense of humour. There is a fine line between humour and sarcasm, hopefully I’m on the right side of the line most of the time ;-)

Some very sensitive folk in here reg.

hahahaha would you ever just get a life?

Says who? Benny in the Vatican? Ahem. Morals are relative.

Kevin
Actually no, morals are not relative.

What is right and wrong for one human being is right and wrong for another when it comes to the fundamentals.

If one human murders another the murderer may think it perfectly right and moral to him, but to the victim it is immoral, and the acid test is, that te murderer would object if another murderer were to do the same to him, murdering him. Thus murder is not relative, it is an absolute.

Abuse of humans is abuse, you are actually arguing for moral relativism, which means anything can be done to anyone once it is fashionable and the only right is might, that is actually the upshot of your argument.

When people believe in nothing they will follow anything.

are you serious geedee??? are you claiming that been gay is a choice!!! i always think that people who saying that are repressed homosexuals. I could not be gay if i tried. i cannot be attracted to another man. But christains seem to think its an easy choice if it wasn’t for god telling them not too!
You live in a democracy geedee and in one all people are equal. If you don’t see gay people as equal and thinking the moral of a muderer is a good comparison, than can i suggest you leave the western world.
Your breed is dying and when your gone i won’t shed a tear, but i’ll have a laugh at the strong possibility a relative of yours will come out of the closet and you’ll have to grow up or lose them

It always amazes me how rubbish the religious are at argument, I suppose it comes from having to force belief in the blatantly ridiculous and having to ignore logic and argument but anyway, in a vain attempt to counter your argument, and especially your example of murder as immoral, but mainly to mock you, here goes… The murderer might object to being murdered and so murder can be seen as an immoral act. Well-adjusted gay people quite enjoy their sex lives so even if you would find it objectionable (and I seriously doubt that -and research in this area would tend to back up my doubts) others do not, so you might as well say pizza is morally wrong because you’re more of a meat and two veg man (he he he)

You accuse people of immaturity and an inability to engage in logical debate when you use murder as some sort of moral equivalent to illustrate a harm principal, basically a long winded way of saying “do unto others…” For one thing it is offensive to make that equivalence. For a second thing, they ARE doing to others as they would have done to them. Thirdly, there is no harm caused when those involved have given consent. So your entire argument based on your premise that homosexuality=harm, always and forever is built without foundation. You can’t just enforce a starting point in an argument so that it suits your own prejudices, especially when it is grossly offensive to individual liberty, a premise most of the rest of us start from.

Are they subject to laws passed in the Dail? Thus can they be added to the stats?

And where does Rory McIlroy stand on all of this?

Bit of a fail there seamus