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Creighton: ‘We need a competitive federal Europe’

Lucinda Creighton says that Ireland must forge a joint course with the rest of Europe in order to weather the current economic storm.

Image: Sam Boal / Photocall Ireland

THE MINISTER OF State for European Affairs Lucinda Creighton has said she is “passionately” in favour of a establishing a federal Europe Union.

Speaking at the MacGill Summer School on Thursday, Creighton said the economic crisis had shown the EU system is “too slow and to difficult to cope with the fast moving pace of our globalised world”.

Creighton added that the Eurozone crisis was “only a symptom” of a much greater challenge – namely, competing with emerging economies like China and Brazil.

Federalisation, she said, could bring Europe closer to its citizens: “We need a competitive federal Europe. Often, the word federal is deemed in Ireland to be a bad word. I fundamentally disagree. Federalism is a very pure and transparent form of democracy.

“I don’t advocate a federation like that in the United States of America – that would not work in a Union of sovereign states as we have in Europe.  Rather I favour a federation of nation states, one which is built on the basis of the diversity of its members.”

Creighton said she saw a new federal system as providing a vehicle for Member States to assert their economic sovereignty in the global economy.  ”(Member States) may even regain some of the sovereignty that they’ve lost to globalisation, through greater coordination and added economic might.  States would benefit from such a federation as they would in fact gain for themselves more rights, more liberty, more authority, more opportunity than they might abandon,” she commented.

Creighton said that decision-making within the EU was often a complex and laborious process, and that federalisation would speed up decisions in areas vital to the European Union as a whole and enable the EU to “address some of the shortcomings” in the currency union and the single market.

“To survive this storm, we must jointly forge a course with our European neighbours,” she said.

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Comments (66 Comments)

  • We the people will decide

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  • How about a fair and cooperative Europe ?

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  • Start with competitive Ireland. Politician wages, including Lucinda, no higher than European average!

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  • As pointless a comment as this may seem I actually have stopped commentating on anything to do with this woman for reasons of her ignorance, self righteousness and arrogance. What this woman says no longer holds any weight such is her delusion with the Euro weanie dream. She is quite literally happy to watch her own people starve just to butter up her pals in Europe in the search for that elusive EU job!

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  • Gerard 27/07/12 #

    Go to YouTube and search for “lucinda creighton on Vincent browne”. Should tell you all you need to know about her.

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  • A whole lot of buzzwords with no actual meaning. I wonder does she even understand what she’s talking about?

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    • Barry you hit the nail on the head , sure enough when lucinda opens her mouth I can never understand what she’s talking about

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    • Just to clarify, what she is describing is essentially a confederation and not a federation. The EU is already best described as a confederation so why is she describing what the EU already is?

      If I could post images this comment would certainly include a Captain Picard facepalm.

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    • Paul 27/07/12 #

      I read somewhere (sorry can’t find a link to it) that the EU from the outset was designed to be imperfect. At the beginning of the project it would have been impossible to suggest the EU we have today, so they proposed to do it by steps but they didn’t mention the further steps to the rest of us. It’s designed so that every time we encounter a problem the glaringly obvious solution is closer union: we have a free market, clearly these powers need to be administered on a continental level; we lock our currencies together, clearly we need a central bank; one currency operated by wildly differing economies, clearly we need a fiscal union; a fiscal union clearly needs an EU minister for finance with the power to tax individuals… It won’t stop until we’re the United States of Europe, we’re being walked blindfolded into it by tiny degrees. Eventually there’ll probably be a problem so grave the solution will be the abolition of the national governments entirely and we’ll have taken every step willingly, caused by the deliberate flaw in the design that necessitates a superstate.

      And no, I haven’t been smoking anything, just putting the idea out there

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    • “Europe’s nations should be guided towards the superstate without their people understanding what is happening. This can be accomplished by successive steps, each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation.” Jean Monnet
      I have no doubt that this course has been adopted. Decisions based on fear are rarely good ones.

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    • Paul 27/07/12 #

      Nice one Rommel

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    • Leo tutors her very well

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  • Ugh, just reading her name makes me shudder, never mind seeing her smug face. As for the drivel that comes out of her mouth…..power hungry, social climbing wagon! Just needed to get that off my chest, rant over!

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    • The woman says nothing I agree with or even want to hear .The damage that a handful of people that we elected into power under false promises and false hope for the future is incredible. They are completely going against the WILL and the NEEDS of the same electorate. She is saying what she is brainwashed into believing what she wants, and it has not taken her long to learn the language , speech and delivery of DUPLICITY

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  • The idea of a federal European Union repulses me. Lucinda Creighton repulses me. That is all.

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  • Creighton said she saw a new federal system as providing a vehicle for Member States to assert their economic sovereignty in the global economy.

    lol, slightly contradictory! does she actually know what Federalisation entails?

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  • “I believe in a competitive Federal Europe”…. Actually she mentioned a Federal Europe three times in her address, Surely that suggests Creighton no longer believe in a Republic, Our Republic. If so, should she not resign from The Dail, as she has compromised her position!

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  • Something tells me that we the people will not decide… Maybe the tin foil hat brigade are right when they claim the current mess has been engineered to steer us into a ‘united states of europe’

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  • Michael Collins would be turning in his grave looking at this moron running the country.

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  • Kevin 27/07/12 #

    They have called it communism, fascism, socialism, globalisation and even federalisation. It truly is all just the same historical term – conquest – and it’s objective is political and economic servitude of the masses.

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  • The Euro crisis is not a symptom of competing markets in Asia and South America, its a symptom of a particularly nasty brand of capitalism that has systematically favored a rich minority over the rest. In its purest form the E.U could be a force for good and to say it has had no benefit for Ireland would be a lie. However it would be fair to say that the current manifestation of European Union has drifted drastically from the Keynesian economics and political cooperation that the original architects of the E.U. envisioned.

    I understand where Creighton is coming from in terms of Trade Rounds etc, a united Europe would start to have a comparative advantage by sheer size and diversity alone. But the problem really lies in the fact that the world economic system is set up in such a way that countries (more specifically the working and middle classes) have to “compete” instead of cooperate.

    The reality is the unity Creighton want’s to see in Europe is one that benefits the super rich and the governments that manage their affairs.

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  • “We want a competitive federal europe”. Well we all know what thats code for….

    http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2012/05/07/lets-talk-about-germany

    “Germany doesn’t want a United States of Europe; it wants a Federal Republic of Europe, based on the model of the Federal Republic of Germany.Constitutionally, it doesn’t want an American-style republic, but something much more like Germany. It also wants this with the minimum of fuss.

    The reasons are simple. It wants to do with banks what it couldn’t – historically – do with tanks. It wants a Europe that looks and feels democratic, but in which Germany really rules the roost and makes the final decision in all the big calls. This it will achieve by financial dominance.”

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  • That’s it. Cretin has been brainwashed and has gone over to the EU axis side. She no longer serves the Irish people who elected her. But has now become a quasi Germanic mouthpiece…!!!!

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  • If they want it to happen it will happen,because the people of this country sure as hell won’t stop them!!!

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  • No one needs a federal Europe.

    Some people want one all the same.

    The shame is they might get it. Unless the UK referendum creates a domino effect.

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  • Sam 27/07/12 #

    In my opinion I believe a federal Europe will dilute our democracy even more. It’s as simple as that.

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  • This woman continues to talk rubbish

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  • Paul 28/07/12 #

    Cretin is everything I despise about politicians. Completely disingenuous and clearly only passionate about lining her own fat pocket. She is a vile horrid slug. Anyone who voted for her is no better.

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    • WIth respect I disagree. I do not think she is disingenuous, its not as if she is waiting to see which way the wind blows in terms of popular support for such an initiative, it is very unpopular at the moment. The danger is that she and others are genuinely ideologically committed to federalisation, her motives for that are extremely right wing and anti-worker but it would be putting the wrong foot forward to say she is disingenuous about what she is proposing.

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  • You lot had you’re chance in May and you didnt. So stop complaining.

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  • FG will be voted out of office in 3 years time. We then need to return to the Irish Pound and have a favorable exchange rate to grow with stimulus.

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    • Then where will the money for this stimulus come from? Not the mention the exodus of multinationals who have Ireland as their European HQ as we will no longer have the same currency as Germany, France etc.
      I feel much culturally closer to the US and UK but as a tiny island nation we need to play to our strengths which is an English speaking nation with close US ties at the heart of the EU. The yanks are not here just because we have low corporation tax (plenty more global destinations offer this) , it’s because we have low corporation tax AND we are in the Euro Zone.

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    • Rob 27/07/12 #

      “The yanks are not…”

      Sean, your intellect may not be aware that the word “yank” is deeply offensive to any American. I’m not sure you’re aware of this…

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    • Sean,

      What of the multinationals that have left or reduced their position in Ireland since the Euro was established. Before the Euro we were the largest exporter of computer software in the world and the largest exporter of computers, both Apple and Dell manufactured here, those jobs are all gone. Multinationals were here because there was a free market (no import duties throughout europe, no need for a single currency for that) ,because we had a low tax rate and because we had a relatively well trained low cost workforce. The introduction of the Euro drove many of those companies out of Ireland.

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  • 100% agree. United we stand

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  • Paul 28/07/12 #

    Oh and another thing, someone needs to tell that chubby gal that plucking her eyebrows within an inch of their lives is not a good look.

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  • EU can’t Even Say The F. Word

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  • Thank God, I Didnt Vote This Traitor In, And mug shots like her, where is she going with Federal for Ireland, Take a Walk in the Wild Side, Stupid Woman.

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  • Ireland needs Europe more than it needs us. They are helping us through this difficult time.

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    • Umm, this difficult time was caused by them. If it wasn’t for EU pressure on Ireland to protect the failing banks so that the French and German banks could be repaid we could have let the banks collapse and have a speedy recovery like Iceland. But no, our overlords told the puppet Dail what to do. They can stick their federalisation up their ****** for all I care because they’ve shown that they favour one nation over another, and don’t give a hoot about the people.

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    • Well Barry its a good thing you are not in charge of this country or we would be in a bigger mess than we are already in.

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    • More fundamentally Barry, if Ireland had had control of its own interest rates during the growth years then growth might have been controlled, as it was the rates were set to mostly control countries like Germany which is in substantially less trouble now, curiously.

      It’s almost as if Irish politicians traded off sustainability for short term gain without considering the long term ramifications.

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    • Darren, rather than try to attack me why not debate your point. I say, good thing you’re not running the country, or you’d be sulking in a corner throwing insults at the rest of the Dail while refusing to justify your comment.

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  • I would be in favour of a federation or states similar to the Canadian model. I think the way we are at the present is like one foot in and one foot out is obviously not working and has proved that we need changes. Why not adopt a model that has shown a track record and is popular with its citizens. The EU project was always a stepping stone towards further political and economic integration.

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    • A model that has a proven track record and is popular with it’s citizens, like, em, independence?

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    • Mark. Independence has not been proven throughout history. How many world or European wars do I need to reference.

      It’s just my opinion that as the world is getting smaller it’s of benefit to be part of a bigger economy. It may not be the right course but I think we should give it a go.

      We don’t have independence all that long. There are some economies of scale being part of a larger structure.

      We can still be Irish. Just as welsh are welsh and scots are scots.

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    • David you say that independence has not been proven and then mention the Scots. At the moment there is a big push for Scottish independence so I am a little bit confused as to why you brought them into the argument. There are indeed economies of scale in being part of a larger structure but I don’t believe we should sell out a hard fought for independence for the sake of a few extra euro. I believe in co-operation not domination which is what will happen if we happen if we become part of a federal Europe.

      Right now outside of a federal structure Germany is calling the shots and telling us what to do after the like of the present and previous Governments have sold out our sovereignty, so what would it be like if there was a formal federal structure in place? Creighton and FG are the Quisling’s of Ireland who are only too happy to allow Germany to march all over their own people so long as they keep to cling onto power.

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  • Personally I think Lucinda’s not the sharpest tool in the box…but she deserves 10/10 for trying to get her name out there!!!

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  • Blon?

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  • The current model doesn’t work. We need a federal Europe that speaks democratically for ALL the people of Europe and stop letting Germany call the shots.

    The problem at the moment is the power doesn’t rest in the people, it rests in the European beurocracy. A federal Europe would give this power back to the people.

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  • Shes why were in this mess, closer tues = everyone gets brought down more!!! Ie the euro!!

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  • Keep up the good work Lucinda

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