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Public workers have 18 months to retire on ‘peak’ pay

Staff who retire before August 2014 will receive pensions based on the salary they had before the ‘Croke Park 2′ pay cuts.

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THE GOVERNMENT is to revive the incentivised retirement plan used last year to try and encourage further public workers to take early retirement, in an effort to reduce the size of the public workforce.

The Department of Public Expenditure and Reform has said staff who choose to retire before August 2014 – a year-and-a-half from now – will receive pensions and lump sums as if their pay had not been cut, as it is planned to do under the ‘Croke Park 2′ proposals.

Those proposals will see public workers on salaries above €65,000 have their pay cut by at least 5.5 per cent – rising to 10 per cent cuts for those earning over €185,000 a year.

This would ordinarily have an impact on the pensions paid to those workers when they retire – but a special ‘grace period’ is being arranged so that workers who opt to leave the public workforce are spared the impact on their pensions.

A spokeswoman for the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform said the scheme being offered for workers under the ‘Croke Park 2′ proposals was similar to that offered in previous years.

Public staff who retired before February 29, 2012 did so under a similar arrangement, where their pension entitlements were calculated as if pay cuts for public workers – which had been implemented by Brian Lenihan as part of Budget 2010 – had not taken effect.

This was to give staff an incentive to retire, as part of the government’s plans to cut the public pay bill by taking tens of thousands of staff off the payroll.

The new scheme will work similarly, and will hope to expedite the removal of another 9,500 staff from the public workforce.

The number of public workers stood at 292,000 at the end of 2012, a number which the government hopes to have reduced to 282,500 by mid-2014.

Under both the original Croke Park Agreement and the proposed amendment to it, which would extend the deal until mid-2016, the government agrees not to pursue any compulsory redundancies.

Those who retired under the original grace period will, however, face a slightly increased levy on their pension payments: the Public Service Pension Reduction, which already takes about 4 per cent off the value of the average pension, will be increased by a further 2 to 5 per cent.

A similar 2 to 5 per cent levy will apply to those applying under the new incentivised period.

However, neither levy will apply to anyone whose annual pension is under €32,500 a year – as this indicates they would have earned less than €65,000 a year if they were still working, and therefore would not have been subject to any of the new proposals for pay cuts.

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Comments (95 Comments)

  • Rather than encouraging people to retire, they should be weeding out consistent under performers and sack them

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  • If I were hitting 60 & had 40 service I’d be out the door cause in 30 year time after 46 year service the pension mist likely be worth nothing. And that what public sector worker have to look forward to.

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  • Is it true that 24/7 workers are being cut by 8% while the big earners are getting hit for about 6%? If so that is not on. Is this deliberate and if so it’s the work of a sick mind.

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    • smudge 01/03/13 #

      It’s true John

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    • Private sector companies had to cut costs to be competitive – these were the first to go.

      By contrast some public sector employees were represented by unions that supported politicians that favored unions. These politicians endorsed collective bargaining and arbitration. Result is pay, allowances and pensions that are mostly in deficit.

      So who pays for this? The taxpayers that do not have similar benefits. It would be nice if everyone had these; but that is not reality. So why should unionized public employees be the favored class? Is this is a case for class warfare for the masses? Kenny might take note – there are (presently) more private than public voters.

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    • Public servants pay more tax than anyone else with the pension levy. We have no option but to go into the public sector pension plan to which in every pay slip we have to pay 3 separate contributions to. Old age pension is absorbed by the state so we only get the one amount which is dwindling by the day at this rate. In many cases a private pension would be more beneficial but as i said its not a viable option when you see the net pay figure on pay day.

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    • All my taxes this week was €275.

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    • ” A nurse’s pay for a 12-hour Sunday shift can range from € 417 to € 604. These sums will reduce to € 365 and € 516 under the new cuts ”

      http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/nurses-must-swallow-bitter-pill-of-39hour-week-29093728.html

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    • Oooh gurlfriend learned how to cut and paste!

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    • If it was in the independent it must be true. That newspaper never tells any lie does it? Get a grip. There are approx 290,000 public sector worker of these approx 90,000 frontline workers eg Gardai,paramedics, nurses, firefighters. These are the people working 24/7. Yet the government saw fit to hit these easy targets again with the lower paid public servants

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    • The discussion keeps descending into mud slinging.

      Is this really true that lower paid 24/7 workers are being cut more?

      That does not seem right, and if true is yet another illustration of the whole problem with the PS.

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    • I worked a 13 hour shift Sunday the 10th of February and I can tell you I got nothing near that gross and I have my long service increment in other words as a staff nurse/midwife you cannot go higher. Perhaps clinical nurse managers get that but by the nature of a management post they rarely work Sundays unless in a&e, labour wards ect. So Reginold sorry to burst your and the independents bubble.

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    • Cliodhna: I think you are too immersed in your partisan rhetoric to see the reality. Public sector pay cuts were inevitable.

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    • I have had no problem with my pay being cut its the equity of the cuts I have a problem with. Also I have a problem with people like you Reginold misrepresenting how much we get paid on hearsay, I work very hard for my money and I care what happens the women and babies in my care so I give 100% everyday I work. So please do not say I’m partisan you don’t know me or how hard I and my colleagues work all day all night everyday of every year for the 40 years we work caring for the public and providing a service to people while sometimes missing out on special events in our own families life’s and always with a smile.

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  • Red Ed 01/03/13 #

    Im sick of hearing public v private. Wait until the government are finished with the public sector. Does anyone honestly think this is the end of the cuts ? I had to sell my tv last week to get a couple of drums of heating oil, I can’t afford to use my car anymore and this is before cuts. But I suppose I’m lucky to have a job for life! I would have a better life in prison.

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    • Well said Ed

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    • Having my income taken from me as taxes, used in order to lobby the government for increases my taxes in order to pay for wages, allowances and retirement plans, is not fair. The government could be brought back down in line with the private sector. Once we see no disparity in pay and benefits. Presently, you don’t see many quitting government jobs. You see people scrambling to get government jobs (in many cases).

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    • As I’ve always said, leave the frontline services alone and target the behind swinging on their chairs brigade!

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    • Public sector workers are entitled to annual wage increases, and, (in Teachers cases) approx three months of vacation each year. That’s in addition to paid sick days, emergency leave days, and paid personal days, curiously.

      Not to mention every holiday is paid and off. You are supposedly paid over time if you work on the weekend (whatever happened to time and a half?)

      You know, I don’t blame the unions for these sweetheart deals.
      I blame those that sign the contracts. Union members are there to get the best deal possible. Politicians seem to not be able to say no.

      It reminds me of the screaming 5 year old in the candy aisle. Do I blame the child for asking for chocolate? or shall I blame the parent for purchasing?

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    • Reg, do you want the services or not,
      If yes then they have to be paid for
      If no, go to the USA, and pay privately for the services you need,
      People aren’t going to work for nothing

      Pension half wages including old age pension, public service
      Pension old age pension Plus any private pension you paid into, private services
      Public servant on big wages does very well, the rest Don’t
      Cap the pension in the public service if that’s an issue???

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    • It’s still not going to enough to meet the unfunded pension liabilities this country has. When public employees are willing to sign employment agreements with no strings attached, the same as their non-government private sector counterparts, then I will listen to their protests of underpayment.

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    • Reg, public servants use to get 7 days yearly , either uncertified sick or family days maximum, that’s been reduced, and it’s a urban mitt that most take them, in nursing I know they don’t , and I’m sure that’s true for others too,
      Days off mean no replacement putting extra pressure on the staff that day, so it doesn’t happen

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    • Should we do away with the old age pension also, where do you draw the line Reg

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    • Tomred 01/03/13 #

      Aha at last somebody has come out and put it in print – dont cut us, cut clerical/admin!!!….. This has been the attitude of INMO and they now look for support from these same workers.

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    • Tomred,
      Frontline, basic plus shift pay, less than 65.000. Cut to take home pay
      People doing 9-5 , less than 65.000, No cut to take home pay

      The deal doesn’t seem fair from our point of view, but don’t think many of us support cutting your pay either, but of cuts have to happen I like to think their was fairness to it

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  • Yawn… This private v public is getting ridiculous. I have friends working in both public and private sector and i myself works in the private sector… I wouldn’t work as any of the frontline staff in a fit. While i sit in a safe environment my friends are faced with things that frighten the life out of me. Before people throw stones at frontline public sector staff maybe they should walk a mile in their steps. I wonder how long they’ll stay hand cuffed to the hiv patient with open lesions or how would they feel cleaning up pewk and wee and taking abuse from the drunk patient at 3am. How would they like being petrol bombed while trying to put out someone’s house fire or how would they feel about cutting a young child from a car that’s badly injured. Or how would they like being spat at, abused or attacked with guns or knives while trying to protect the general public with a baton! The only people that should be abused here is the government… It wasn’t the public or private sector got us into this mess it was the so called leaders and the banks!!!

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  • Government SIPTU and IMPACT really worried about losing this croake park 2 deal late carrots being thrown out to save the face of the two big union’s SIPTU with the firefighters and this one for IMPACT also trying to divide the front line alliance let’s see do the workers see through it

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    • Public sector workers average weekly wage is € 918.99 compared with € 611.66 in the private sector (at the end of June 2012), according to the Central Statistics Office (CSO):

      http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/releasespublications/documents/earnings/2012/earnlabcosts_q22012.pdf

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    • Still comparing apples and cows then Regonald? Could you provide a link which compares the level of education in both sectors? The level of deductions in both sectors? The level of perks and BIKs in both sectors? Healthcare provisions for employees by their employers in both sectors? A link which accurately finds the private sector equivalent of a firefighter, Garda, Prison Officer?

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    • Two of my economics professors taught, “government workers, from a strictly economic point of view, are a drain on the private sector since no goods or services are exchanged”. Given this fact, the cost of government should be minimized as much as possible. By the way, one of these professors is a Greek immigrant and works for a University. A wage floor is supposedly established and the free market will eventually correct the tendency to “overpay” government employees, like what’s happening now in Greece according to this economic professor.

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    • Yawn, you trotted that one out already. Isn’t it a good job we live in a society that doesn’t just measure itself by economics (otherwise what would we do with any unproductive member of our society). A certain German in 40s had a great idea about that one. Ask your economics professor about that.

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    • Reg, I am a Civil Servant and they are only figures not reality. My take home pay after all deductions are €335.46. After that I have to pay a Mortgage, pay normal household bills, put food on the table, fuel in the car to get to work, put a teenager through school. God forbid one of us gets sick because there would be no trip to a doctor as that is a Luxury one of which I cannot afford. But then again why should I complain of being so lucky to get to work extra hours for free, sure I am lucky to have a job.

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    • So I take it that you can’t provide links on what I’ve asked for. Either you’re deliberately evasive, which proves the weakness of your rhetoric, or you’re not informed enough, in which case your contribution is unhelpful at best.

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    • The problem with some government) worker unions is some are essentially negotiating with themselves and in the end, surprise, surprise they have negotiated great contracts which pay more than the market wage for services.

      No one is representing the people actually paying for these contracts, that is the taxpaying public. Correct me if I’m wrong, but if the pay disparity is due to a troubled economy and this cause private companies to tighten their belts, so should the government, which would then eliminate that disparity.

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    • You’re still nit addressing the point I’m making Regonald. Can you address these points or not?

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    • Mark just out of interest , you suggest that there are apples and oranges comparisons . Maybe ,but Outside of the medical profession what are you talking about ?do you need a masters to get into Gards , firemen, prison officers these days and I’m not being disparaging in anyway I have lot of respect for those folks , but lets face it we teachers talking about arts degree like it was NASA . No ,what you need to tell us if you will accept being bench marked against your peers across the EU . I mean the government managed to bench mark against the private sector when they were increasing , now you’re right they shouldn’t have ,particularly given three rounds of bench marking didnt secure one jot of efficiency .Will you accept the EU average pay . Does that seem unreasonable since we have borrowed 90 billion over the last 5 years . Now the only area where costs have gone up is anything to do with the government , transport up, health up yep just about every area the government touches

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    • @Tensing in relation to qualifications, if you’re being specific to education, then it’s not just Arts degrees, although. Many of the people I work with have B.Sc, B.Comms and B.Eds as their minimum primary degree. In teaching, you also need a postgraduate qualification on top of your primary degree. If you want to go down the road of benchmarking my pay against those of my European counterparts, then benchmark my conditions too. Give me less hours to teach, smaller class sizes, better infrastructure, more opportunities at CPD, more opportunities at career progression, recognition of extra duties and while we’re at it, bring down the cost of living in line with the European average. The level of borrowing and its relationship to public sector pay is questionable as, according to the OECD in 2011, we spend 11.2% of GDP on public service pay and the OECD average is 11.1%. Plus, it’s not unusual for countries to borrow in order to pay for public services. The huge majority of countries, even AAA rated economies, borrow for their public services.

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    • Yes a few would have B Comms the like guess but most have BA . Still haven’t heard of anyone falling a h dip ever . Many teach maths despite not having no maths qualification , we won’t talk about language teaching ! Many full timers get paid for correcting exams when they are on fully paid holidays . Come now teacher are bearly being affected by cp2 or they be threshing this that and the other except of course young teachers that got sold down the river by their own river . Bye the way I started in multinational in the stray of the boom on 24 k with a MSc and grad dip , not uncommon in the private sector at all

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    • I remember a previous discussion with you when you raised the point about people failing the H.Dip. I didn’t do a HDip myself so I couldn’t answer you. I asked some of my colleagues who told me about 3 people that had failed the HDip outright. It seems the more regular occurrence is that people drop out when it seems the writing is on the wall for their progression. I’d imagine that in order to get more detailed information on that topic, one would need to consult progression rates for teacher training programmes. Every language teacher I work with has a degree as a minimum in their relevant languages. In any case, the Teaching Council is there to ensure that only qualified teachers teach the relevant subjects. I disagree with your assertion that teachers are barely affected by CP2. If you combine CP1 and CP2, teachers are being asked to work an extra 66 hours a year and take a further €1, 600 a year pay cut through loss of S&S. This change in pay and conditions does not take into account the approximately 3,000 job losses, significant pay reductions and extra workload that have been imposed since 2009. The English tried a similar approach to the casualisation and deprofessionalisation of teachers and it has not served them well. Finally, in relation to your own experience with an MNC, I’d argue that your starting point was not a fair reflection of your qualifications. That doesn’t mean that others should have to be brought in line with that level.

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  • Red Ed 01/03/13 #

    I’m hearing that firefighters and prison officers have jumped the 24/7 ship after sly deals under the table. Can anyone confirm this? Looks like Shatter has a personal grievance with the gardai, teachers and nurses. Divide and conquer again. What was the point of an alliance in the first place??? The government are laughing at all of us. The HSE have even applied to have their high paid contractors exempt from pay cuts. Bullshiiiiit!!! Sell out Irish, Where’s the fight?

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  • A lot of rats are going to desert a sinking ship. I think anyone planning on retiring from the public sector in the next 18 months should do the decent thing and abstain from voting on the proposed “deal”. It would be morally wrong to accept a protected pension whilst voting in a severe pay-cut for your colleagues.

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  • After today I’d go but I’ve only done 16 years so not an option…. It may clear a lot of the “navy” management grades which maybe a good thing. As regards our pension I’d happily opt out and take my chances with a prsa but I don’t have a choice! At the rate things are going my pension will be worth nada in 2041! Yep I’ve another 28.5 years to go but whether I’m still live then I don’t know.

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  • Here’s hoping its targeted and not across the board , where vital services are diminished ,
    And in fairness if there not needed why aren’t they gone??, seriously this is becoming a joke,
    Big pensions paid out and staff replaced within a month,
    Does anyone know what their during, up there, in the senior jobs

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  • This is absolutely ridiculous!
    They want public sector workers to take an early retirement now, while the private sector people will have to work untill the age of 67 in the next generation before they are eligible for pension.

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    • Reggie, before the ban on recruitment our local office was looking for staff to help out with the dole queues. They were offering €300 per week. Now out of that comes taxes etc, plus the cost of child care for some and the cost of travel, need I say anymore on that. So not very many are scrambling for government jobs. But just in case you don’t realize, a country needs a public service!

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    • Missing the point Marie. Can we agree that disliking the idea of being robbed blind to pay for the PS, does not mean people actually want to join the PS?

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  • Here comes an avalanche of retirements so. Will be interesting to see how “hard-working” public workers are now…

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    • I don’t think so. The last pay cut was far more sever and this got rid of most of those who could afford to go. You may get some who can no longer afford to stay.

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    • And why wouldn’t they retire. Stay on and be abused by misinformed morons like yourself? Should A person that signed up to certain terms and conditions sit there and take it when these are decimated again and again? Try and take a walk in their shoes you ignoramus

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    • Most public workers are hard workers Martin. In an sector which employs 290,000 people, there’s bound to be a few people swinging the lead. Do you brand everyone in the private sector as useless and lazy if you’ve had a bad experience dealing with somebody in customer services in a particular company? If not, how can you apply your logic to the public sector?

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    • @Tadhg Take a walk in the shoes of any the 100,000s who have lost their jobs, only to have to listen to constant moaning from a group of people who are only receiving pay cuts…

      @Mark Of course, they are not all lazy. Unfortunately, it is part of human nature to become demotivated and over a period of time, lazy with incremental pay raises and little chance of losing your position.

      I know, there are few incremental pay raises today, but it does still exist in many civil service offices.

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    • Spend an afternoon sitting in an a&e waiting area in any hospital in the country and then come back saying that bull.

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    • Martin, what you don’t realize is that the majority of public sectors may as well be on the dole! The tax and charges on their pay is savage. People on the dole get the medical card, help with mortgage, free third level for their kids etc etc, I know it’s not nice to be on the dole, but most of
      public sector workers are just as poor.

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    • Tadhg,

      Public sector pay and benefits are higher than most other Eurozone countries.

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    • Reggie Timpson, public sector pay may be higher, but so is the tax, prsi, usc, pension levy…out of their wages! The dole is higher too, but as I said most public sector workers end up with net take home pay the same as a person on the dole with benefits, no disrespect to those on the dole intended.

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    • But isn’t the public sector payroll is helping to spur tax rises, new taxes and questions? Some Unions believe it’s a one-way street: it’s not. I guess the alternative is layoffs. I’m guessing public sector pay cuts were inevitable considering what other Eurozone countries pay ?

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    • And the cost of living here is higher than most European countries too.

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    • @Marie The average public sector wage is higher than the average wage in the private sector. Never mind the threat of losing your job…

      @Davy Those working in a&e and in similar areas do an incredible job and ones that I could not. But unfortunately, that is hardly the average position in the public sector. What about all the civil service positions? “Nice, cushy job for life…”

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    • @Marie “Most public sector workers end up with net take home pay the same as a person on the dole with benefits”. Complete and utter nonsense… Also, OECD stats in 2010 show public sector hours in Ireland are the 2nd lowest of the 33 countries.

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    • We dont live in another Euro jone country. The cost of living has to be taken into account.

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    • I think he’s having difficulty grasping the whole cost of living thing. Keep at it Regonald. You’ll get there eventually. Ireland: small, Greece and Latvia: far away.

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    • The cost of living is high – why? Just look at what has been the biggest driver of inflation in Ireland in the last couple of years. Yes, it’s the government and the PS.

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    • Cart before the horse there censored. Public Service weren’t even keeping pace with inflation at the start of the boom, hence why pay agreements were sought. I graduated from college in 2004. Labourers were earning more than me, even after my postgrad. They weren’t public sector labourers either!

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    • censored 02/03/13 #

      Fair enough, but where are those labourers now?

      They were earning more than me as well, but I still had no interest in that job as a career.

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    • Most of those labourers are now unemployed, I’m sure. I’m not sure what that has to do with public service pay and conditions though.

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    • I’m sure Censored is making reference to the idea of actually being able to lose your job Mark. It’s an amazing phenomenon that exists in the private sector…

      And to all the people saying the cost of living is high here. Just to make things clear, those in the private sector live in the same economy.

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    • Martin
      It’s a misconception that public sector workers can’t be left go!! They can it just is a longer process than in the private sector as disciplinary action is taken first but ultimately there are many ways to skin a cat. So we are all minding our jobs even us in the public service.

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    • 3,000 jobs lost in education since 2009. Job losses happen in public sector too.

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    • @Cliodhna Ha ha! Do you actually believe that?? How much of the 14%+ unemployed are from the public sector? Were are all the forced redundancies?? If sacking people was an option, the government would have done it. They clearly are trying to cut this exorbitant pay structure. Longer process? Unless you’re talking about waiting till they decide to retire, you’re talking complete nonsense…

      Here are some statictics that may make you realise just how lucky you are:

      http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/cwkfojkfkfid/rss2/

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    • @Mark That’s people not being replaced when they’ve left or retired.

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    • Not so Martin. When a teacher retires, their job is replaced but their grade isn’t. The job losses have come from 1) An increase in the pupil-teacher ratio. 2) Cuts to teacher allocations in DEIS schools. 3) Including guidance counsellors as part of schools’ teacher allocations. 4) Reductions in language support provision. 5) Reductions in SNA provision. 6) Reduction in teacher allocations for traveller children. 7) Loss if home/school liaison posts.

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    • @Martin I actually know it to be a fact I know people it’s happened too. Also nurses & midwives hold a registration which if we are found to be in breech of code of practice misconduct we can loose not only our job but any chance of another job in the field. Hence we”mind” both our jobs and our registration. Do you need to be as careful in your job?

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    • Also Martin
      I realise how lucky I am I have a career I love I work with a great bunch and I meet extraordinary people everyday.
      I have worked hard for the last 23 years but time has flown by I have travelled seen the world and opened my mind to education and other cultures.
      This is the only country I’ve worked in where my job is seen as a negative. I think that says more about the Irish than anything else ye begrudge us because ye precive we have it easy we don’t. I work every second weekend do nights every 5 weeks have worked every alternate Christmas/New Year since 1990.
      I have never complained about my pay because my parents ( both private sector) thought me how to manage my money and supported me when I made any career decisions.
      So yes Martin I know how lucky I am.

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    • censored 04/03/13 #

      Mark, you brought up the labourers as a comparison and I was indeed referencing the fact that 99% of them are now unemployed. You know well that PS job losses have been nowhere close to the scale of job losses in construction. Also, as you’re also aware – the conditions and severance agreements bear no comparison either.

      In fact I read recently that the effect of all the cuts so far has been to almost contain the pay bill, but not to reduce it. That is just tragic in the circumstances. You and your fellow workers in the PS need to start asking some very hard questions of your leaders.

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    • @Censored The reason I brought up labourers as a particular example was to show the disparity between their pay and mine. The level of job losses in construction was inevitable as the whole construction boom was unsustainable. However, I still don’t subscribe to the idea that because job losses have occurred in a particular sector, then job losses ought to happen in another. I can only speak for education when I say that the 3, 000 job losses happened without any redundancy pay at all. Finally, with regard to the aims of the cuts and Croke Park Agreement, significant reductions in pay have been made. To say that the aim is not to reduce but to control pay, means the government has been successful despite themselves. It is now approximately 34% cheaper to hire a healthcare or education professional than it was in 2008. Most public servants have seen their wages and conditions cut dramatically. Unless the savings from those cuts have gone elsewhere, i.e a black hole in some financial institution, public servants have contributed real savings.

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  • In this day and age for any organisation to be offering final salary pensions or anything even approaching that is completely unacceptable. People are living so much longer it puts an enormous strain on a country. Other countries got rid of these gravy boats years ago.

    As for comparing public sector and private sector as a consultant I work in both. In public sector the pace of work is much lower, people leave on the dot and there is less of a drive to meet deadlines etc.

    Also, I know first hand that salaries were about the same having access to this information through my work but while private sector workers are having roles cut, taking salary decreases etc. the worst public sector workers endure is a freeze on increments.

    I’ve seen great and not so great people in both sectors but facts speak for themselves and while nobody wants to see cuts the reality is public sector get more for less with greater job security.

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    • Gerard , where have you been, pay cuts were given in the public service,

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    • I would prefer if you didnt make general comments about the puplic sector. Ive been a Garda for 10 years and I can tell you that I dont dictate the pace of my work. It may be much slower in your area of imployment but its certainly not in mine. And i worked in the private sector prior to working in the public sector. As for wage cuts……..!!!

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    • A fair point. I know guards who not only go beyond the call of duty in their working hours but put in extra hours and effort to get things done. I think it’s fair to say the same for a lot of nurses and teachers also. Roles like that must be treated differently.

      My point was more referring to the office staff behind the scenes. An example of someone refusing to turn the printer off and on again as it wasn’t in their job description was one such example which made me wonder how anybody could be paid a cent with that mentality.

      There’s a big difference between the dedication and drive of guards and nurses against the mentality of those working in the various departmental offices.

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  • ta se ag teach

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