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European court rules woman can adopt lesbian partner’s child

The landmark ECtHR ruling found that a person cannot be forced to give up their child before an adoption by someone of the same sex.

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THE EUROPEAN COURT of Human Rights has ruled that a woman does not have to sever her legal link with her son before being able to have her child adopted by her lesbian partner, in a landmark ruling.

The Strasbourg-based court ruled that Austria’s ban on the procedure – where domestic rules only permit one woman to be a ‘mother’, or one man a ‘father’ to a child at any one time – were a violation of the European Convention on Human Rights, which assures the right to a private family life.

The court  ruled that the same-sex couple were being treated differently to how an unmarried heterosexual couple would be treated, finding that in the latter case, a single parent’s partner would have no difficulty in adopting the child and becoming their legal guardian.

The court overruled lower Austrian courts which ruled that the country’s laws defined “parents” as a man and woman – an interpretation which therefore made it impossible for one woman to be deemed the child’s ‘mother’ without her partner, the biological mother, first giving up that right.

It said that the Austrian government had not advanced any “convincing reasons” to show that its different treatment of an unmarried same-sex couple and an unmarried heterosexual couple was necessary to protect the family or the interests of the child.

However, the ruling stopped short of requiring European countries to give unmarried couples the right of second-parent adoption, irrespective of their sexual orientation.

No requirement to allow adoption for unmarried couples

This followed a ruling in a similar French case where the court did not require states to offer full same-sex marriage, and acknowledged that different European countries granted differing levels of legal recognition to same-sex couples.

It also observed that some countries do not allow unmarried couples to adopt, irrespective of their orientation or the biological status of one parent, and so did not require countries to offer this either.

Same-sex couples in countries without full gay marriage laws regularly face legal obstacles when it comes to the legal status of their children: most countries, including Ireland, will only recognise the biological parent as a child’s parent and overlooks the domestic status of the other parent.

This means that a lesbian couple who use the services of a sperm donor to conceive are not both perceived as ‘parents’. This can cause difficulty when children are legal minors and are admitted to hospital, for example: only the legally recognised parent can visit the child or have input in medical treatment, for example.

In cases where the biological parent dies, there is then no legally recognised relationship between the child and the other adult involved in their upbringing.

In a separate ruling issued yesterday, Germany’s highest court ruled that a man could legally adopt children which had already been adopted by his gay partner.

Previously, Germany only allowed a person to adopt their same-sex partner’s children if their partner was the biological parent of the child. Now, a child adopted by one person can be freely adopted by the adoptive parent’s partner, irrespective of their sex or orientation.

Read: Northern Ireland’s ban on gay and unmarried adoption overturned

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Comments (68 Comments)

  • Its also the case here that if parents of child aren’t married the mother of the child is the only one that can sign consent forms for hospital procedures, if the father turns up with the child the procedure won’t be allowed to go ahead

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  • I’m amazed that this wouldn’t naturally be the case.

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    • Why would it “naturally” be the case? Their amorous actions were illegal till recently so why would the law make considerations for them?

      Also, how can a child with a parent be adopted? Surely adoption is reserved for those things lacking in something they then receive after the adoption?

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    • If a mother and father are not married then there is no automatic legal rights for the father.

      A friend worked in Crumlin Children’s hospital, a child was brought in with appendicitis, the mother was away on a hen weekend and couldn’t be reached. The father, as he was not married to the mother, had no legal right to consent to the operation, the child had to be made a ward of the state in order to have their appendix removed.

      If a father seeks to adopt his own child in order to gain these legal rights (because he and the mother are not planning on marrying) then the mother must adopt her own child with him – its really not that unusual for a mother to adopt her own child for these reasons.

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    • Thank you Shanti, I understand now why it is so important. Your explanation did more than all the red arrows in the world.

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  • Who cares if the parents are gay or straight every child that is born is entitled to a loving home…good for them fighting for what should b the right thing for any child to have.

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  • Liberating!

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  • Does this have an effect on our laws? I think it’s somewhat similar here, from my understanding in that article.

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  • Seriously Stephen, The absolute rubbish you come up with. You seem to comment on nearly every article on the journal. Think you should get out more and maybe learn about life.

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  • Lol:-)

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  • OMG they be allowing them get married next. I’m gonna say a prayer to the baby Jebus to send all these sinners to hell.

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  • another ridiculous decision by the ECHR , if there not letting terrorists go , their taking away the rights of children to a father and mother (man and woman) , its all going to have massive damaging effects on society which will be felt over time , I mean is their any boundaries these Libertarians will not break .

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  • Secularism intent on destroying the definition of marriage and denying the natural law I see. I see someone mentioning Catholics and religion. This is not just a religious issue but one that can be plainly seen by the natural law and science cannot deny that. All bad science can do is create theories that sound lovely to the ear but have no evidence to back their diabolical theories up with. This is not liberating this is man yet again self destructing. These people are been given special privileges on what is a psychological disorder and not something naturally and visibly sound.

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    • Is it natural when a child is conceived in a test tube and inserted into a womb. Now a days there are many ways to bring a child into your world, and they are not all natural. So why should they not be allowed to adopt a child.

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    • Down with that sort of thing

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    • These “bad science” theories you speak of,do you have anything to back ANY of this,or should I just expect another religious rant ??? This was the point were you went completely off topic in favour of another religious rant :

      ” This is not just a religious issue but one that can be plainly seen by the natural law and science cannot deny that. All bad science can do is create theories that sound lovely to the ear but have no evidence to back their diabolical theories up with. This is not liberating this is man yet again self destructing. These people are been given special privileges on what is a psychological disorder and not something naturally and visibly sound.”

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    • The dsm4 and the upcoming dsm5 do not include homosexuality. So I’m curious, on what basis do you claim it is a psychological condition?
      In turn there have been numerous accounts of homosexuality occurring in other species, without any environmental or anomalous influence.

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    • Stephen im beginning to think you are one of the greatest trolls I’ve ever come across. Spectacular, your bullshit has no limits. You sir are a credit to the anti religious movement in society.

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    • Maybe you’d like to send these women with their ” psychological ” disorders to work with the nuns in the laundries . Maybe you feel that it would be good enough for them !
      Reading your post makes me despair of this country ever moving into the twenty first century !

      And then I realised you’re not being serious . Surely you must be just trying to provoke an argument ?

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    • No it is unnatural to tear apart a man and woman’s union in order to conceive a child. A man and woman’s organs were created for this purpose. But man comes along with his silly science and thwarts this natural gift given to man and woman in order to accomplish his diabolical ways and attempts to play God so those who naturalllyyyyyy cannot concieve a child can have one.

      It is a psychological disorder. Are you telling me that a 56 year old man from his youth, was attracted to woman is whole life, had three kids and a wife and then suddenly discovered he was homosexual is not living with a psychological disorder? Are you serious? Of course it is. Nobody is born homosexual. Nobody. It is all a matter of psychology.

      Animals do not reason or have a moral compass like humans do so whoever mentioned animals and compare this type of human behaviour to animals is deluding themselves.

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    • Due to nature being turned on it’s head in relation to rearing children, it is akin to mutton dress up as lamb with same-sex couples attempting to equate their relationships the same as heterosexual marriage. Children are just their trophies or in other words the icing on the cake for them, the by-product from a test tube. My friend Dawn who was raised by her gay father is deeply concerned about other children in her situation the main reason being that having two daddies created gender confusion with herself & her two brothers.

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    • Maybe the man is question was always gay or bi sexual and because of how society judged people who are gay felt he could not be open about his sexuality and now that society is being to get a little more forward thinking is now feeling safe enough to be open about his sexuality.

      Science is also interfering with many aspects of nature, including finding new ways to treat cancer, and other illnesses, so do you believe that we should stop developing. May be we should all live in amish communities with little or no modern ideas, etc.

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    • Marion my friend John left you because you prefer McDonalds to him :(

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    • Marion: By that logic every child raised in a single parent house hold should have gender confusion. I was raised by my father and neither me nor my sibling have any gender confusion issues, we don’t have many issues at all. The only issues we did have was in relation to people judging his ability as a man to care for his children esp me and my sister, and some other members of our family wanted us to live with them, because they didnt believe a man could care for his children. This was twenty years ago if it was 40 years ago, we would not have been left with him, and thank god times and thinking has since changed since then. Nowadays people would not think about removing children from there father because he is a single man, and I hope that thinking will become the same for same sex couples and there ability to raise children the same as every other individual.

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    • That’s a load of rubbish because I have heard it from the peoples mouths themselves their testimony to turning out gay. It was NOT due to all of your first explanation. Many men were also upset that they suddenly contracted this psychological illness too and sought counselling and were successfully cured

      Science struggles to cure cancer must not cross the moral threshold. Trying to conceive a child unnaturally does exactly this. It’s an act of insanity actually. There is no scientific evidence that someone is born homosexual . You can bet your bottom dollar that if there was, it would be one of the biggest finds since the dawn of mankind and would make headlines right across the world and marked down as a day to remember just like when DNA was first discovered.

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    • More hostility and nastiness. As Socrates once said when the debate is over all the loser can do is shout insults. Have a good evening.

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    • Good man Steven. All of what you said is opinion. None of it can be backed up.
      And your “unnatural” talk is laughable.
      Nature created us.
      Everything on earth is natural. Everything we do is natural.
      It’s only unnatural if something outside of our earth creates it. Like aliens. Or a god.
      If you are going to try and debate your side, try some facts. They give your argument credit and people might take you seriously instead of just rolling their eyes at your nonsense.
      Unless you are just a troll. In that case, carry on.

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    • No “hostility and nastiness” here, just observation and curiosity!!!

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    • I understand your point and I agree that it would be fantastic if life was perfect and every child was raised in a happy home by happy , well balanced parents , a mother and a father . That would definitely be the ideal situation .

      But the truth is that life is less than perfect . People are very complex and the situations that people find themselves in are often very far from perfect .

      What every child needs is a sense of belonging , a feeling of being safe , loved and appreciated .

      If your theory is true , Marian , then how is it that a person raised by a heterosexual couple can turn out to be gay ?

      Don’t you think that two happy , balanced people can provide a safe and happy environment for a child to flourish in ?
      I have a friend who was raised in a home with two mothers . She doesn’t appear to have suffered because of it and is herself in a happy relationship which is heterosexual .

      I think the world is changing , Marian . Psychologists are now more aware than ever of how to promote self esteem in children . Relationships are what matter and the depth of those relationships .

      Lets try to get away from the harsh , rigid, judgemental attitudes than destroyed the lives of so many people in this country . It caused so much misery .

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    • Stephen, I knew from a very early age I was gay, I wanted to marry Ian Dempsey from the den, I am a gay man, and I was raised by and surrounded by heterosexuals. I along with many a researcher can tell you, people are born gay, as for married men coming out late in life, gay or bisexual? It is possible to have sex with someone you are not attracted to.

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    • @ Gavan : I can’t see a reason why you would delete my comment??? I wasn’t being insulting,I was genuinely questioning Stephen’s sanity??? I mean he is an adult with an imaginary friend,who it’s claimed does magic!!!

      So it’s OK for Stephen to make unfounded statements about the “WHOLE” gay community having a “psychological disorder”,but when I “ASK” a question regarding his sanity,my comment is deleted ??? Double standards!!!

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    • Graham 20/02/13 #

      You have some serious issues if you think like that. I feel sorry for you.

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    • Psychological disorder you say Stephan? Well not according to the WHO, American Psychiatric Association, American Counseling Association or any other well repected authority on mental health, and the conversion therapy you refer to, dangerous, widely condemned, often forced on children with the only proof that it works being self-reporting, in other words there is no proof that they have magically changed a gay man into a straight man rather then that gay man is simply acting straight or in fact that he was and still is bisexual.
      There is significant evidence that people are born gay as the result of an interplay of genetic, epigenetic and pre-natal factors, as evidence from the frequency of twins both of whom are gay and the the fact that most gay people tend not to be the first born child, as well as a wealth of studies.
      Anyone who says there is no gay gene is correct, but misses the point entirely, genes code for proteins and there is no gay protein just like there is no straight protein, the mechanism that codes for more complex factors such as sexuality, personality and even anatomy is still poorly understood.
      The differance between every scientific claim I’ve have made and the “scientific” claims you’ve made Stephan is that I can provide recent, peer reviewed articles to back them up.

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    • ‘nonsensical ‘
      word jumble
      tripe
      and a piss poor attempt to sound intelligent .

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    • Man you really are an ignoramus .
      A solid gold dick ……
      either get a job or a hobby ….. or better still an education

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    • and what is your opinion on IVF babies born to married couples with fertility problems
      I.e a baby born from gametes of this male female couple
      they are after all by-products of ‘test tube ‘ phenomena that u refer to so eloquently ?

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    • Marion:I think your friend Dawn has issues far and above having gay a gay parent .

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    • Stephen you need to stop reading American right wing religious literature, I hate to break it to you, but it;s actually all a LIE, there is no Santa Claus either by the way, sorry to ruin christmas too, but hey that’s us gays for ya, suffering with our psychological disorders and messing up life for the rest of ye God fearing folk!

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    • There are plenty of heterosexual couples who have “trophy” children. Really hateful comments from Stephen and Marion.

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    • David, you’re lying about Santa Claus, right?
      Right?
      For the love of fake god, please tell me you’re lying.

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    • Stephen, you are completly wrong and whoever told you this is wrong……sorry.

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    • Stephen is an fundamentalist Christian and like most of his kind has profound homophobic tendencies. Think Westboro Baptist Church Irish style. The woman’s place is in the home changing nappies and making dinner and caring for her MAN.
      If he had his revisionist ways he’d drag Ireland back to the dark ages.
      Oh and he doesn’t believe the Vatican has a case to answer regarding CHILD RAPE and abuse. A real regular guy is our Stephen.

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  • Whatever next?? Gay couples should not have kids end of story. Ruin the child’s life!

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