No not any thing that sinister just the truth

out off sight out of mind

just confirmed, the reason why http://i1151.photobucket.com/albums/o624/pNibbler/c310a80b.jpg

It’s too sunny outside. We can’t see the latest instructions from Berlin on the projector.

You know wot youbetterpayup I know you have a reputation as a troll but I like you. I think ur really one of us ;)

Are you suggesting that the Gardai would lie about the reasons for asking the blinds to be closed? Very serious allegation to make.

Get real David. They lie the same as politicians! It all depends who pockets your in!!

Ya it is alright David, seeing as though we are commenting in a court of law here, get a grip will ya!

David, you’re the funniest man on this site :D The gardai pinned two murders on people in recent memory. So would they lie about this? I’d say it’s quite bloody possible!

Haha.. The guards never lie David? You’re comical..

Well FF pandered to public opinion and made a shite of the public finances by buying elections with people’s own money. Look where that got us.

@faceless man In the last three years they didnt. They did exactly, not similary, not close, not ahh a little bit, exactly what this present government are doing. Totally ignoring what the public want and driving through their own ideals.

Im just back there was about 5000, typical Irish were was the million that didn’t pay?????

Trying to pay online I’d say.

It’s in case the sight of the fg party members upsets the protestors :)

Niamh i’m a photographer in here and your answer is the exact reason given to us by security

Ahahahaha nial thats hilarious. I was actually joking. Jesus. Wot was the atmosphere like in there apart from the usual back slapping?

exactly. The sad thing is there are some people here who would actually believe that closing the blinds means that all the horrible people who don’t agree with us will go away. Sad sad sad.

What was your count Alan?

Jesus Christ by your accusations you would swear we are living in 1930s Germany. Wise up

RTE are also reporting fictional mob violence

The violence wasn’t fictional. Delegatse were followed and shouted at, intimidated and I spoke to one elderly delegate who was punched in the side. Only from a minority but shameful nonetheless!

Lies David, hang your head in shame!! There was absolutely no violence, chanting and booing directed at the contemptious delegates (check your spelling) but no violence..none what so ever. I had both my children with me and never for one second would I have brought them if this protest was to be as one!! Lies from FG and a state run media. All spin and lies and no one is believing any of it.

You mean he was trying to use a public path? That sick bastard. No wonder he was assaulted.

How come FG can use the paths, but I couldn’t and can’t walk by the convention centre

Come on now Sean don’t you know that intimidating people on a public path makes 14 billion spending deficit magically disappear.

Lisa, I agree they were blatantly waving looking for a reaction!! Sick, vile, contemptuous, actions from FG and it just goes to show exactly what they think of the people who put them in the convention centre!! I am utterly disgusted by their actions today.

were you there gary?

I went past earlier Joseph to see for myself.

gary,
did you see a vicious baying mob?
or regular people protesting?

Just waving to our loyal supporters queuing up to pay the household charge.

If youbetterpayup is typical fg ohhh nasty hiding behind blinds such brave traitors

Why? Do you think they are going to burst out in a home made tank like the A-Team?

Hear hear! We won the battle now let’s win the war! And show this spineless inept attempt for a government that people will not be walked over any more, we will not pay for banking friends,high salaries or their expenses etc etc…People power will prevail.
WELL DONE TO ALL WHO PROTESTED!

Nobody said they forced them, they asked them.

Exactly my point. FG *choose* to put down the blinds to block the media from seeing the protest. They could have refused.

Did they have their black sacks with them?

Who paid 4 the lunch? You know what they say; there’s no such thing as a free lunch!

We sent Hogan out to have a whip around.

Just goes to show the IQ level of those that are there. “I don’t consent to this statute”. It’s been a good laugh listening to them though.

I’m all for people protesting against this – I’d encourage it – but when people are getting hurt by a mob over mistaken identity things are going too far. This is a €100 charge; not a national army opening fire on unarmed civilians. Save the violence for when it’s actually needed (not that I’d condone such things ahem)

Rte crap, their was no assault, some booing and chanting yes, but no assault, one of them was a FG press man who set this up to try to make headlines

You have to hand it to the Irish for protesting with grace and dignity, hope FG realise how fortunate they are protesters are not spraying the building with petrol right now, as they might be elsewhere else in the world if forced to endure the same corrupt political system.

What’s the point in that comaprison Gay? By the same logic the protestors should be happy they aren’t being shot by soldiers.

There was absolutely NO violence. The FG delegates walked right by me.. The only abuse they suffered was mere finger pointing followed by a cacophony of boos and jeers..

No, not the same because the Irish Army would never turn on the Irish people. The Irish people have every right to be furious at what has emerged here over the last several years, the same bunch of elites and manipulators looking after one another’s interests, nothing has changed, it is sickening, and those party political cheerleaders ought to hang their heads in shame for what they have been supporting.

“RTE says x”, “I believe x”. LOL :D

Seems pretty clear from the pictures on the Journals front page.

Produce the evidence, otherwise it’s hearsay… Those picture show nothing except minor pulling and tugging. That’s your idea of violence?

Not at all. I was in the middle of that. People asked him several times if he was a member of FG, to which he said yes. EVERY SINGLE member of FG that walked out into that angry crowd – for god knows what reason – were subjected to some level of abuse.

There will be all sorts of ridiculous comments about this, but I can tell you the reason people were shouting/blocking etc, is because they are pissed right off. I had amazing conversations with people of all ages, from all over the country, and I was proud to stand there with them today. All the nay-sayers, who were obviously not there, will sit and bitch and moan – we done something… good luck!

The photo of the Fine Gael member who you are claiming was assualted are here: http://www.demotix.com/news/1134928/thousands-protest-fine-gael-ard-fheis-opposition-household-tax (Last two pictures)

He wasn’t assaulted people just swarmed around him thinking he was Phil Hogan and jeering. He was not assaulted. There was just a bit of pushing between protesters and Gardaí

There appears to be some physical contact there, and of course those photos only capture two individual moments. Unwelcomed physical contact is still assault (pretty silly in some cases, but I can understand why).

He doesn’t even look much like Hogan, who is a much more handsome cut of a man. Should have gone to specsavers!

Prevention is better than cure Chris.

prevention of what. The sun shining in on them. Sure nothing can happen them their inside a secure building. Talk about panic for nothing.

preventing the crowd from getting wound up because the politicians pay no heed to them.

Other way round Sean, don’t want the politicians realising this is a big deal and that there was a huge turn out!
FG = head in sand.

So you think the Gardaí should be able to choose what laws to enforce Brendan? Really? Think about it now. Expand your argument a little and think of what the consequences would be in a wider sense.

@Sean, say the government legalised beating gay people in the street. Would the guards be allowed object then? I think the Nuremburg rulings allowed for not using the excuse of “following orders”. So yes, if they have moral objections, they should refuse to enforce a law.

We make the laws around here, and we’ll make another one next week.

FG stupidly put the media room with the best view of the protest. Once the twitpics started flowing FG suddenly put a stop to the coverage from inside the centre and told the Garda to close the blinds as they didn’t want TI tell the media to close them for fear of the backlash. Some journalist are impartial and try to get the message out that the protest was a huge success!

@Why what do you consider news?

The fact that the protestors attacked a man who looked like Phil Hogan. That’s news.

@sean that didn’t happen unless you call booing an attack, 5 or 6 members of FG including a ministers press secretary thought it would be nice to take a stroll through the crowd, I was their and the worst that happened was someone ripped up a household reminder letter was throw it at them. Then FG use this as an excuse to bad mouth the boycott movement

@ Sean that never happened, it’s FG Pr crap

I’m glad you decided to turn yourself in Jay. You did the right thing.

Turn himself in? What are you on about? Protesting’s illegal now? Oh right, yeah…

for you seanie, seeing as you like fiction,

that was me!
and yep it was Phil hisself,
i barrelled inta him
took him to the ground
lay on top a him
gave him a nuggie
told him he’s a naughty boy
and ta cop himself on
or next time he’ll be takin one for da team.

next i know, enda is lookin down at me on the ground and he says
mcgee ya handsome man
if anyone has to take one for the team
can it be me?
and he slipped me his card!

Im bleedin made up I am!

They were just eager to make their household charge payments direct to the man himself!

If you find that funny take a long look in the mirror. Then check to see if you have any balls.

Thanks a real intelligent man to come up with an insult.

If u laughed at 4k protesting u must’ve cried at the 1m nonpayment silent protest

4000 of course thats all there was, Believe every thing the gov controlled media says does ye. There was at least 5000 in the section below the windows alone correct numbers would be closer to 10000. I filmed it and will stick proof up on YouTube shortly. It was clear that the media would down play the amount of marchers and exagerate the amount of people paying the charge, it’s propaganda 101.

Crowd was way bigger than 4000 I’d say closer to 10000

Are your methods of crowd estimation superior to that of the guards?

Yes.

Are you including the children that were dragged along to support the cause, probably with a promise of McDonalds afterwards?

@martin Byrne
Post links please

sean,
for someone who professes to disliking politicians
and not being affiliated to any party,
u sure do have it in for regular people
who are protesting.

surely the fact that you have paid
would be enough for you.

why do u hate the 600,000, or whatever it is, householders so much?
why do u pour scorn over them?
do you not ‘hear’ their anger, their pain?

@sean,
@Sean…
Give it up, the game is over and the people got one up on your beloved leader. We won, the protest was peaceful and a huge success including the children who were brought along with their sensible parents. Speak for yourself if you were dragged up as a child!

@Chris: I don’t wear my balls on my head

Awh “youbetterpayup” come here boy, who’s a good boy. Did you pay your 100quid, good boy! Yes you are. Give me the paw, awh good boy. You like being told what to do, dont you? Gimp boy

Awh “youbetterpayup” come here boy, who’s a good boy. Did you pay your 100quid, good boy! Yes you are. Give me the paw, awh good boy. You like being told what to do, dont you?

@youbetterpayup

No you don’t, Enda keeps your balls in his handbag!

My problem is that the don’t pay campaign was spearheaded with a blatant lie about how the law doesn’t apply to people and followed up with attitudes like the one above from diarmuid. They would be called lies and intimidation, incidentally the same thing you accuse the government of.

Then it was folowed up with the theory that they can’t bring us all to court. Unlike some people, i would suffer some very real consequences if I were to have a judgement made against me in court so that theory doesn’t really comfort me. I’d rather pay the €100 than have my family suffer in the future. And you and your troll brigade want to judge me? Go to hell. There’s no household charge there so you should be happy.

But all that aside, I look forward to the future introduction of water charges and value based property tax. The wealthy will pay for their large homes and my “long term unemployed” neighbour might just stop washing his car every day and consuming water like it’s alcohol on Paddys day. Personal accountability is the future of this charge but people are just to blind to look at the future.

At least they’re nice and warm in his handbag

Good man Sean!

You can join them there too. You’re as bad as that moron Phil Hogan and that incompetent Shatter. Smiling like they’ve just won the local bingo.

Ah Sean, I don’t like bingo. It’s boring.

sean,

u cant wait to pay water charges
etc,

sorry bubski
ur a chump!