Im in the SIPTU Health Sector, a frontline worker 24/7/365 and SIPTUs Paul Bell refuses to allow our grouping to become part of the 24/7 Alliance, now I know why!!! Time for a New Union for Care Workers, Social Care Workers and Disability Support Sectors, whome SIPTU are ignoring.

Start your own union, rally all front liners to drop siptu and join a united front line workers union. It’s easy enough to do. I dropped siptu along time ago. Waste if a €5 a week

@Ryan O… Food for thought looking at how the Unions are selling us out at the moment. Will you join?

this is for Michael . could not agree more with you. the first thing we should do is cut our subs by 50% straight away. Bell an the rest are in bed with the labour and the rest.

http://www.shelltosea.com/
Michael ….think property rights …… enda said it!

Well done to those lads. Betrayal by unions, totally correct. Siptu doing sfa for members, especially frontliners. I for one as a firefighter wants out of siptu.

John Scott, I hope its a case of “Great minds think alike”, rather than “Fools seldom differ”!!! :-)

How can union leaders earning far more than Enda Kenny , truly represent ordinary workers or try and explain their desperate situation, it’s all arse ways, wake up “comrades “you are being conned.

Working and breaking health and saftey regulations under any circumstance is wrong but these seem to do what they want when it suits , the gardai have been spoilt over the years and have developed the bold child syndrome and while the rest of the country is supposed to take it on the chin they want to have their cake and eat it, the term “Greedy little pigs” comes to mind but I am sure the p.c. brigade or the boys and girls in blue will say different, get on with the job and stop moaning and if you dont like it the police in Austrailia are looking for new recruits, to obey and serve is supposed to be part of the job description ,get movin!!!!!

Read the article before you get that typing finger in gear, it’s adhering to health and safety regulations, breaking them, they are advocating. Did you get a ticket lately, you did didn’t you, just pay it and ” get on with it. “

” Not breaking”

The unions need to realize that the current government expenditure is unsustainable.

not sure michael what way to take that

The unions are only taking an interest now, because their blue chip members are being threatened. Too late for the thousands of private sector members who’ve been thrown on the scrap heap. Where were they when employers decided to tear up contracts and pension rights then replace Irish workers with yellow pack agency workers for less than half the price? Still not a word about the SIPTU millions that disappeared. Another whitewash.

No blue chip members in the gra all bottom of the rung members

I am prepared to stand corrected on this but I was of the belief that a percentage of GDP has to be given to third world aid as part of some international agreement. If goes a long way to what they want to save though

Either way it’s madness. Surely that payment could be suspended until were in a better place.

WE COULD NOT DO THAT WHY? PAY CHILDRENS ALLOWANCE TO FAMILYS LIVING IN THE STATE. O NO WE COULD NOT DO THIS

Mick

We were lent the money to pay back the bondholders, we didn’t pay it out of our taxes. It is on the long finger as debt which we might never pay, and that has had no effect on us at all.

Our current taxes don’t cover spending on salaries and pensions. We are borrowing to pay those as-well.

To cover spending we are in an emergency bailout for the IMF !!!!

Do you think we will be bailed it from abroad forever?????

Forget banks, forget bondholders, forget national debt….we need to balance taxes collects and what we spend.

@HelloGoogleTracking! that sort of logical objective thinking is not welcome here.

Think youre missing the point,they shouldnt be our bondholders to pay in the first place.debt we might never pay?if thats the attitude dont pay them now and use tge money to get people back to work.this country,like most others ,has always spent more than it takes in.austerity has been proven not to work more oftenbthan it has.pushing people into mortgage default is nothe answer.if you know so much about it,when was the last time this country balanced its taxes and spend

Mick

Bondholders were institutions our banks borrowed from, our banks were irresponsible in borrowing, our government were irresponsible in regulation, and the majority of people were irresponsible in borrowing and purchasing houses.

The bondholders are being paid back by borrowing, funded by the ECB and IMF so why do you care? Yes eventually if we ever become self sustainable again we might be asked to make real repayments, but more likely we will get a write off deal….but we will never get such a deal unless we can demonstrate we can run out own country sensibly and within our means.

Yes some borrowing is part of any national budget, but in order for a country to borrow it needs to be credible and the people lending need to have an expectation we can pay back.

We are currently bankrupt, and by that I means we cannot generate enough money internally to even cover our our spending……but worse we are maintaining spending at bubble levels…and have not saved a penny over the last few years. (In fact increased with payoffs for early retirement !!!!)

Yes it will never balance, but it needs to be SUSTAINABLE and CREDIBLE and RESPONSIBLE levels of spending in proportion to our size and tax base.

Grasp reality, the bubble is over and was a distortion, reality has to be realized.

Your wasting your time “HelloGoogleTracking!”.

Most people got their fingers in their ears and are shouting” bondholders, bondholders” over and over again to drown you out!

Haha Vincent + arbitrasure

Same people no doubt shouting soft landing and buying second homes and places in Spain….then blaming everyone but themselves….

Fingers crossed that once we demonstrate we can run our affairs we will be an example for Europe to use, and be rewarded with debt write down…to encourage Spain Portugal and Italy to follow

The country is living beyond its means. We are spending money we don’t have.

Still ok to pay ex ministers pensions tho and not to mention the unrealistic current salaries of out going ministers. And billions into a bank black hole. The citizens of this country have no more to give. And we have given our fair share of the ‘burden’ where’s the balance in all this????

Maybe Mark SF could throw the Dept of Finance a few of those crisp Northern Bank notes they have stashed away….all for the common good of course!

That’s true and just like any household we’ve to make changes but you can’t phone up ESB and say I’m only paying x amount for my electricity so why can the government do that for frontline services -

what about all the councils we have; the senate; lets start there for starters; allowance for the whole lot.get rid of most of them. how many Councillors are there in wicklow alone now we could start there. do we need them all? NO.

You sound like CJH

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These are Gards…you know them…..they are free to do whatever the wish :/

Please refrain from commenting on Irish matters that don’t concern you!

All the calls from Alan Shatter and Enda Kenny for the GRA to return and engage in talks and we find out now that they were never even allowed into the main room. Some way to treat our national police service.

yes, coz they have his driving licence number

One of them drives him

I’m guessing the bailout program we’re in?!

Oh right. Amazing how perception is different from reality isn’t it?

Actually check out the shell to sea youtube videos :) remember that garda rape tape thing that was so efoted it shpuld have been called a remix :) she is in alot of videos on there blocking roads when she is picked up for illegally blocking starts screaming she is being raped. Classly lot :)

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this has nothing to do with personalities in my opinion …we could all start firing stones at each other …there are pictures of Guards lying out sunning themselves in Mayo in full uniform as well …this is about the property rights of the nation in my opinion…I don’t care if the guards got a fortune in overtime down there , I don’t care if they got a fortune in overtime training for riots that never happened , i care about today and what we together as a nation are going tomorrow to get our nation back on a healthy foundation for the welfare of our kids… Property rights are fine for 1.1. billion into the A.I.B. pension fund despite the fact that it is a State-owned company and now be the same pensions as public sector …so if the frontline workers want to go and get their little deals and forget about everyone else and look down their noses at everyone else because they have a uniform …fine! ….but what are your kids going to do for a job ? …have you thought about that ?
remember this government had plenty of money to shore up the pension fund of the bank …despite they are not paying out some of them for years …. and you wonder why your allowances are being cut ????
the nation will back you to the hilt if you do the right thing …to ignore the oil and gas is to give legitimacy to RAY BURKE …. I will never do that …but we live in a democracy so feel free to make up your own ind …I have and I can still express my opinion!

so if you dont care about garda overtime why you posting in this particular forum ??

by the way shell to sea was never at about the selling of the gas it was about a pipeline that, then it turned to off shore drilling and when they knew it was past stopping that then it turned to selling of resources.

indy media is site for you buddy :)

I don’t care about garda overtime earned to date .
I am an Irish citizen and have inherent property rights as indeed do all irish citizens over our natural resources.
Our gardai are protectors of the law in this state.
This is my real name so anybody who thinks they are a cartoon character, and a baby one at that, should find a site called moshi monsters more to their tastes, in my opinion, or I’m sure barney the dinosaur also has a site….in my opinion!
I don’t need a history lesson on the shell to sea campaign , I am referring to a dail debate on their website….perhaps a look at the IRISH Constitution would be of benefit to you.
Article 15.4 allows for all laws that are a breach of the constitution to be illegal, regardless of whether they are written into law or not! ..It allows for the management of our natural resources and it does not allow for their mismanagement.,..
One question if I may …are you an Irish Citizen ?……….. Stewie …no your not!….. you’re a cartoon character !
There are two types of Mayo men , on one side you have politicians like Charlie haughey, Enda Kenny, Padraig flynn , dara calleary, Pat rabbitte, ……… then there are Mayo men like Padraig Nally who believe in protecting their property from atatck ! ………. There’s a soial lesson for you !

Very intelligent cryptic comment. Well done you

Good man, you know of one Guard who owns four properties! My partner’s a Guard and we have a place together which we can barely afford to keep! Dozens of her colleagues are in the same boat!! And yeah they knew of the dangers they were signing up to, they signed a contract to that effect! But they also knew of their specific pay scale too & signed a contract to that effect! I’m not Anti-Private Sector Pro-Public! People, their jobs & their salaries / pay conditions shouldn’t have been treated the way they were when things turned sour but their great Unions did nothing about it! The unfair cuts will keep coming unless something’s done about it and the Gardai are doing just that! It’d be somewhat easier to understand, but unfair nonetheless, if cuts were applied across the Public Sector as a whole…But sure then Enda & Co. would be taking a hit too!! Can’t be having that!!

In limp biscuit style

Keep trollin trollin trollin

Where exactly has it happened in the private sector michalcollinsghost? You constantly come on to these threads bashing the public sector by making sweeping all inclusive statements about over paid public servants. You seem quite happy to infer that “The private sector” have had wage cuts across the board without exception. This is complete and utter ignorance of the facts. The only group that can be spoken of in the context you like doing (all inclusive) is the public sector who have all taken massive pay cuts. I know people working in a number of different business across a variety of sectors that have at least kept consistent pay and some that have had pay increases. Your generalisations have gotten very tiresome and your posts repetitive. Do a bit of research and at least attempt a bit of fairness in your “considered posts”

Were they able to claim some allowances for holding the protest,maybe a few euro back for making a few signs

Give me an award? Actually harry look up defamation. The great thing is that if its true its legal. I’ve saved screen shots of your profile.

Who caused the economic collapse in the first place!?!? Don’t think it was the Married Guard & Nurse who dared to buy a 3-Bed Semi-D in a satellite town 30k, 40 or 50km from Dublin where they work as it was all they could afford! But sure as long as the Mercs & Perks keep flowing and the Bondholders & Euro over-watchers are content to hell with the Front-liners! Sure a junkie biting ya in a Hospital A&E at 4am on a Saturday morning or in the course of being apprehended committing a Burglary is nothing! The money grabbin’ Gardai / Nurses & Co. knew what they were getting into when they signed up!! Didn’t they!?!

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

You should snap out of it and get with the programme. How dare people fight for their livelihoods in order to pay the bills. Just because one works for the state doesn’t mean they can be treated with contempt and disdain. You’re some intellectual ranting and raving the same ill thought out mantra about public service pay without any fair thought behind it. Then again you’re obviously a fine gaeler with your choice of name. It’s actually quite amusing to see you spout the same guff as your fearless and teary leader Mr. Kenny when he blames the last lot for all the “tough decisions” he makes. What’s your five point plan??

Harry!!!!!! There ya are!! We were starting to worry there for a while! We nearly had to report you missing to the Gardai!!

Should be reporting him for other things we all know what I mean

LMAO I was wondering where he was myself hee hee

Brilliant:)

Oh God, they’re letting you on Radio now Harry!?!? Musta been why you were late to comment on here! Will we be seeing you on IrelandAM tomorrow so or the RTE News with Sharon & Dobbo!?!