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Greece delays crucial talks as EU piles on pressure

Riot police scuffle with a female protester in Athens today
Riot police scuffle with a female protester in Athens today
Image: AP Photo/Thanassis Stavrakis

THE GREEK PRIME minister Lucas Papademos has put off crucial talks with opposition leaders on austerity reforms until tomorrow, despite growing indications that the country could be forced out of the euro.

Meanwhile, more than 20,000 protesters marched through central Athens as unions called a general strike against the new job cuts and tax hikes.

The strike halted trains and ferries, closed down schools and banks and put state hospitals on short staffing. Several hundred protesters clashed with riot police outside Parliament and set fire to a German flag.

EU Commissioner Neelie Kroes today signalled that a Greek departure from the euro would not be seen as a disaster, telling a Dutch newspaper that there would be “absolutely no man overboard,” the BBC reports.

European leaders have repeatedly warned that further instalments of Greece’s bailout, which the country needs to make repayments on its mountain of debt, are dependent on the country accepting tough austerity measures.

Papademos blamed the delayed talks on missing paperwork, Reuters reports. But an official told the news agency: “The reason is that the political leaders will not have the time to assess the measures in the bailout.”

The reforms include a 20 per cent minimum wage cut, pension reductions, and large numbers of layoffs in the civil service.

This video shows protesters attempting to burn a German flag during today’s demonstration:



(Video: worldwideriotnet)

- Additional reporting from AP

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  • Jim Brady 07/02/12 #
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    I’m at a bit of a loss, are they burning the flag because they really believe that the Germans should continue to bail them out?
    Indefinitely?

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    • Karl Doyle 07/02/12 #
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      Angela Merkel done some behind the scenes work on the installation of their technocratic prime minister, she done the same in Italy too. Furthermore the greeks didn’t want the bailout but like us Angela pressured them into it and cost their people massive pain like ours, somebody has to take a stand before it goes well beyond too far as its already too far and we are pretty dang close to well beyond too far.

    • Karl Doyle 07/02/12 #
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      But i must say part of the greek situation was their fault, they knew the government didn’t collect tax so none of them filed, they had a “trust” system at train stations so they never paid but I don’t believe its fair to punish everyone for the mistakes of some.

    • Karl Doyle 07/02/12 #
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      *partly their fault

    • Réada Quinn 08/02/12 #
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      I dunno Jim. Maybe it’s because the 12 year old Greeks asked their mammies and daddies why the Germans say they should need another bailout when it’s just to pay off the last bailout and the penny, or should I say the cent, dropped. Duh!

  • Karl Doyle 07/02/12 #
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    Ah the famous paper is missing excuse, I see someone talked to Enda on the 30th January.

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  • Gerry Hannan 07/02/12 #
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    The Greeks are clearing ACTING as the Irish keep on talking……

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    • rb 07/02/12 #
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      Seems 2 me from the way the article is written that the EU has given Greece time 2 make changes 4 the ‘good of their nation.’ but it would be irresponsible of the EU 2 turn its back on the people of Greece now. like Ireland, the EU/IMF and government posse should have worked out a way 2 strike out the debt but gain some fiscal stability 4 the future!

    • Joe Maher 07/02/12 #
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      and where has their acting got them still deep in problems and getting deeper due to politicians feat of acting because of
      protests

  • Sid Cassidy 07/02/12 #
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    Judge a society on how it treats the weakest judge the eu on how it’s treating Greece , not in my name at this price.
    On a related point why does the eu require two expensive parliaments and where have meps shown leadership in taking wage cuts all politicians should be paid no more than the average industrial wage of the country in which they are elected with no expenses .

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  • Linda Mckernan 07/02/12 #
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    I.M.F. impossible mission force.Lets call a spade a spade,the european model is not working.There is a frantic obsession with vain attempts to return us back to the way things were .Well the way things were is when everything went pear shaped.The start of our recovery begins when we stand up and refuse to pay a cent to the banks,speculaters and bondholders,sounds like the usual rhetoric.I didn’t speculate,borrow,or make investments in dodgy deals,so why should I owe any money to anybody.Let the banks fail and let everyone else go to hell!

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  • Richard Keogh 07/02/12 #
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    There was a Greek neurosurgeon on BBC News. He earns 1700 a month, Enda Kenny earns that in half a week, yet they want to slash his wages further. The Greeks work the longest hours in the EU according to OECD figures for some of the lowest wages yet Germany wants to screw the ordinary person more, I’m not surprised they are burning its flag. The root of the problem is Goldman Sachs falsifying figures to get them into the euro, something the Germans happily went along with as it kept the euro weak thus boosting her exports and also successive Greek governments appointing cronies to public service jobs in return for votes. Much like in Ireland the many who are not at fault are paying the heavy price.

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    • Linda Mckernan 07/02/12 #
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      Peter Sutherland was mainly responsible for the Goldman Sachs lies,this same person was invited by the present Irish goverment to advise us on ”the way forward”.God help us.

  • Karl O Flynn 07/02/12 #
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    Debt cannot be paid down on the strength of more borrowing. The ponzi scheme is unsustainable. Maybe it’s time the Germans gave back the gold they stole from the Greeks during world war 2. The new austerity proposed for Greece will bring anarchy and the politicians have a massive choice make. Remember the prime minister was not elected. He is a technocrat from a European central bank background and has been rumoured to have ties to goldman Sachs.

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    • Robin Banks 08/02/12 #
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      Good point Karl but as long as Greece is in the EU the Germans don’t have to pay the Greeks anything owed from WW2. If Greece leave on the other hand or are forced to leave the euro zone then they can go looking for their money but of course this will never happen because money talks, possession is nine tenths and all that!

  • Karl O Flynn 08/02/12 #
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    Whether or not the prime minister of Greece (unelected)is tied to Goldman is of no consequence. The point is that the banks are dictating terms. Politicians have lost their power. The years of unregulated ,neo-liberal policies have created a monster which is too big to fail. The chicken has come home to roost. The 0.1 of 1% are in control. If things continue like they are we are heading for serfdom where we can bow to our bank and corporate lords indefinitely. SAY NO TO AUSTERITY !!!!!!!!!
    Stand up for our humanity!!!

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    • Paul Mallon 08/02/12 #
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      They’ve only lost their power because they’re too comfortable, they’re not ACTUALLY willing to share the pain like they claim.

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    nothing changes if nothing changes.. I too did not borrow a cent during the boom… we worked hard to educate our kids and looked forward to seeing them grow into contributing citizens… sadly they are now both contributiing to the Australian economy. The country is losing its future to pay for the mistakes of the people we had a right to trust.

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  • Gordon Lucas 08/02/12 #
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    Great to See Greece bring it to the wire.
    If you’re gonna suffer you may as well make it worth you’re while!!!
    Funny how the deadlines are so flexible – reminds me of college.

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  • Kerry Blake 08/02/12 #
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    Cannot see this ending well or peacefully.

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  • Neil 08/02/12 #
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    Certainly would be “interesting” if they default and leave the euro. It will mean an instant end to austerity according to many on here, so let´s see if that´s really the case.

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    • Niamh Byrne 08/02/12 #
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      Nobody has said that.

    • Réada Quinn 08/02/12 #
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      With debt forgiveness it will. It has to happen. Just depends on how long the charade is allowed carry on.

    • Neil 08/02/12 #
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      @Niamh
      Pretty much everyone arguing for default on these boards has put it forward as an alternative to austerity. They rarely mentions how the existing primary budget deficit will be covered when you can no longer borrow money from the IMF or the bond markets.

    • Niamh Byrne 08/02/12 #
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      Edward I don’t know what the answer is, I don’t think anyone does, but I know I’d like to take my chances, this isn’t working, its only heaping more debt on already bankrupt countries. We went down this road to prevent contagion but that hasn’t worked and its still on a precipice. I can’t see this ending for greece here, they are in a bad way and we are next in the firing line. When people have no hope that this is going to end them they have nothing left to lose.

  • Neil 08/02/12 #
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    @Niamh
    It´s just a throw of the dice for you perhaps, but if you ran the country you´d have to think about a little more than your own personal circumstances. If you can´t borrow then how do you pay PS salaries and SW payments when you currently need 10bn+ in borrowing to partially cover that at the moment?

    If we had no primary budget deficit, or damn near close to it, and your only borrowing was to fund debt payments, then it´s an easier scenario.

    But you´ve got to explain how you can keep PS, SW at the same rate, without any new taxes or spending cuts. I´m sure someone will just say “we´ll just tax the rich” to get that missing 10bn. But it´s a fairytale to say you´ll get that kind of cash from the real rich in this country. You´ll still end up raising taxes and cutting spending: austerity.

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    • Niamh Byrne 08/02/12 #
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      Yep, I know all that. but as I said there is no end in sight. You don’t have the answers either edward. If you did you would be the second coming. The euro was an unfunished project that has failed because of exactly the predicament the bailed out countries find themselves in, we have no way out, no way to devalue and set our own interest rates to claw our way back to recovery and the fiscal compact its just going to heap more debt on us while charging us punitive interest. Punishing a bankrupt country by forcing it further into debt is not going to work. If this is the backbone of the accord we might as well just default now and get it over with. It might give the eurocrats a taste of the future. A I said I don’t know wot the angered are but neither do you.

    • Niamh Byrne 08/02/12 #
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      answers…not angered…last sentence.

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