No point in commenting here anymore about stories like this because the journal removes anything I say and I know to be accurate and representative of the majority of Irish people ok I’ll say what you probably won’t remove THESE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ARE DEAD RIGHT TO PROTEST WITH THEIR CANDLES (PAID FOR BY THE TAX PAYER) aaaaaaahhhhh this country is ruined I swear to god

Thomas

The Journal heavily censors any opinion that makes very strong valid arguments against immigration or multiculturalism, that cannot be countered. It is too dangerous for them, as they seem to haev an agenda pushing multiculturalism and immigration, seems all the media simply want more exciting news that looks like the headlines from New York.

I have had 2 friends blocked from journal. They did not make any insulting or defammatory remarks, they just stated plain facts about immigration. The journal aka PRAVDA (soviet propaganda paper) could not handle it.

Groannnnnnn….

DENMARKS IMMIGRATION LAWS SAVE COUNTRY £6BILLION (sterling)

Denmark has called for stricter immigration laws after a report concluded that the country’s already stringent regime had saved the country £6 billion over the past 10 years.
has some of the tightest immigration regulations in the EU and the report, based on the findings from five ministries, found they had saved the tax payer millions of pounds that would have been spent on social assistance and housing for immigrants from outside the EU.

“Now that we can see that it does matter who comes into the country, I have no scruples in further restricting those who one can suspect will be a burden on Denmark,” Soren Pind, the integration minister, told the newspaper Jyllands-Posten.

The report found immigrants from non-western countries and their decedents cost the country £1.8 billion a year while those from western countries contributed to the economy.

I impressed Nadine, you are able to get all that from one word, even more so as I wasn’t responding to your post, mine ended up after yours when the racist posts where removed .

Do what…..March on the Dail?

Yes, undocumented means illegal, i.e. law breaker

They should not be there undocumented in the first place !!!

You are comparing a european made country that all europeans went to and many other nations, with already settled and established european countries. How about comparing immigration into Africa, Saudi Arabia, China with 100s of 1000s of Aficans, Arabs or Asians heading to those countries and setting up regions of their own people in them?

No comparison.

It’s not that simple. Some of them are undocumented for reasons which make it impossible to go to their home countries and just “get documented”. Ignorant comment.

Danielle

It is very simple. We go back to how we used to do things as regards immigrants in the 80′s. We have a strong border and immigration policy. There were hardly any of them coming here in the 80′s. We had no open borders.

We went to troubled countries and vetted who were the most in need of coming and we took some in, but other than that we helped the 3rd world by giving billions in aid over the years, millions of man hours in medical, education and construction work. If you want to help the 3rd world, you do it by helping their countries become viable. We that in the 80′s and we were loved. We should go back to that and we would still be loved.

We do not owe the 3rd world or anybody else ANYTHING.

Danielle ignore nadine or Donna or whatever she’s calling herself tonight. She’s just looking for a chance to spew hate

No we can not go back …. Forward thinking , planning . All children deserve a proper , well rounded education.

Answer the comment Reada, instead of throwing names and making sneery remarks. Answer the argument and stop throwing diversionary hysterical mud.

Eileen

I did not mean go back as in way of living, I meant in terms of immigration policy and how to help the 3rd world.

If we were to take in 5 million Africans in one year. Then in that same year, another 5 million new Africans are born. So you can see, we would soon be swamped, immigration is not the answer to helping the 3rd world.

Stopping western governments from supporting corrupt 3rd world gov.s and then going in their to help these countries help themselves, is the only REAL solution. If you are all serious about helping others, and not glory seeking or getting awards or slaps on the back, then that is the ONLY real way to stop the never-ending 3rd world problem.
Africa has been in turmoil for decades since after colonialism, and still no improvement. Stop the corruption, stop the bankers, stop immigration and you will get results.

I guarantee you will have a prosperous 3rd world, and lands for all cultures that are needed for each culture to survive and thrive. This is the real humane and non-self serving neo-marxist self-glorifying way to help the world and all its people.

correction:

take in 1 million, then another 5 million are born in the very same year.

Danielle, liberals succumb to throwing insults and red herring arguments to fudge the issue when things are in fact simple. For those who are “undocumented for reasons which make it impossible to go to their home countries” there is a perfectly legal way to stay in the country. It is called the asylum and can be applied for when there are genuine reasons for their inability to reside in their country of origin. So your proposal is to ignore the rule of law to protect a minority who chose not to benefit from a process which would enable them to legally reside in the country. I am not going to call you ignorant but go figure…….

Why would anyone have wanted to move to Ireland in the 80s with 17% unemployment?

I waited til the late 90s to move here when I knew I could get my hands on loadsamoney…

ha ha . Good for you Michael !

Yeah but Santa just stays for one night, brings us stuff and gets in the first Reindeer home!

Comment made by Nadine “correction:

take in 1 million, then another 5 million are born in the very same year.”

Pray tell , maybe you could explain the maths on this uneducated comment ? So are you saying now amongst other insults that africans have a shorter gestation period !!

No Niall, silly. They give birth to litters. Everyone knows that…

Dept of Immigration right next door to the dept of Emmigration !

Undocumented = illegal= deportation

I agree with you Tara the commentary is appalling ignorant and depressing. These are the same people who would be outraged if the Australians rounded up the tens of thousands of illegal irish and deported them back to Ireland, as like their undocumented counterparts in Ireland, they are paying their own way and are not a burden to the taxpayer.

The US Government doesnt pay one red cent towards the keep of the undocumented (illegals) in the states. However, here we give them healthcare, dentalcare, housing, transport and cash!!! We cannot afford any of this any longer…. So no, I dont see any parallels whatsoever!!

Undocumented migrants pay taxes here without getting anything back in services or benefits. They are not looking for a handout but a chance to come forward and rectify their situation.

@ Bill,
If they don’t have documents then how do they work legally? How do they get a PRSI number and pay taxes without documents? Surely undocumented means that they do not have the legal documents that allow them to participate in the tax / welfare system?

Michael, can you please demostrate how does an undocumented person do to get healthcare, dentalcare housing, transport and cash? The welfare system in Ireland is governed by a complex set of rules, but in order to give you an idea: To access any payment or health service (save emergency and maternity services which are universal and therefore available to everyone) you need to demostrate your legal residency – therefore, undocumented are excluded from accessing them. Furthermore, to access any welfare service you need to proove that you are Habitual Resident.: That means that you have to be legally residing in the state for 2 years prior to your application. So, Michael: Can you please give proof that undocumented migrants are receiving the services you describe.?

Well Pablo, my dear friend. HOUSING There are 5 main accomodation centres in Cork, and about 10 smaller ones. Housing, tick!!! HEALTHCARE There are 2 full time doctors employed to these accomadation centres and 24hour Southdoc out of hours care, Healthcare, tick!!!! DENTALCARE There is an annual dental check done in all these centres, and follow up routine care give, Dentalcare, tick!!! TRANSPORT There is a taxi company, here in Cork, employed to cart the illegal emigrants (they get a docket first) about to appointments, a bus to and from the city 3 or 4 times a day, and school transport for the children, even though locals have to walk, Transport, tick!!! CASH Each adult and child resident has a weekly allowance of about E30, Cash, tick!!!! So if you want this, present yourself to the Kinsale Road Accomadation Centre, Cork (across from Bull Mc Cabes Bar & Restaurant) …..Your comment “you need to demostrate your legal residency – therefore, undocumented are excluded from accessing them” is untrue, one just needs to present themselves, which most do, to access our overly generous system… We dont have 30,000 spare jobs for the illegals, we are on our knees and our generousity and loyal must be nationalistic. With respect.

@ Michael, as a matter of interest, are those centres you speak of with these facilities funded by the state, or are they funded by the EU or UN funds?

@ MIchael: You are obviously are quite confused there. You are talking about asylum seekers who are housed in RIA (Reception and Integration Agency) accomodation. Asylum seekers are not undocumented. They are people who applied for protection (asylum) as it is guaranteed by the Geneva Convention of 1951. Ireland is an orginal signatory of that convention. The service provision you describe (with the €19.10 a week for each adult and €10.30 per child) are international obligations Ireland has acquired by ratifying the Gevena Convention. As said before, asylum seekers are not undocumented sice their claims for protection have not yet been determined. So, you need to do a bit of research before going around spreading misconceptions and lies.

@Michael Hegarty – I work with many undocumented workers in Ireland and I’m sorry to inform you but none of them get healthcare, dentalcare, housing, transport and cash without working their butts off to pay for it. Please go and get educated about this issue before you post ridiculous comments like that. People should be more mindful and get the story right before they start spreading stupid rumors.

Like times a thousand! They are living outside of the law by their own doing.

I also think its unfortunate that the Journal refers to them as “undocumented”, when most people would say “illegal”.

Many came in here legally, many found themselves working in jobs where they were paid for 40 hours and worked 80(live in nannies etc) many left these jobs and then discovered that they couldnt bring their work permits with them bcos they were tied to the employer…in other cases companies recruited people and didnt keep their permits upto date….not all of them entered illegally

Laura, i never considered that circumstance. The slave trade (that’s what it is, nothing else you can call it) poses some very challenging questions for immigration law. How do you handle those people?!

No person is illegal or without rights.

Bill I wish there were more people like you. The fear that’s in this country is incredible. Everybody worrying about their slice of the pie being smaller. Noone thinking outside the norm and thinking of making a bigger pie!!

Sorry Laura, you too.

Nigel that a rather silly position to take, if a 100,000 Irish illegals lobbed in Ireland after being deported from the US, Australia etc they would a massive burden in the taxpayer in Ireland.

Really? No person is illegal.

Well Nigerian Pamela Izevbekhai was found to be illegal, and after putting us through the courts 25 times and after 1million euro she cost the taxpayer, and after people like migrant rights centre and Rosanna flynn supported her.

You witch-hunters of the new church of multiculturalism have blood on your hands, the asylum and immigration industry costs 100s of millions A YEAR, while IRish people are dying fo rwant of health services etc.

Definitely I recognise your language Nadine or Donna or whatever pseudonym you’re using tonight. I wasted a few hours with you re sending aid to turkey after the earthquake. Don’t bother denying it. I know neither are your real name. You can’t fool me. Don’t bother addressing me. I won’t answer you. I couldn’t bear it again.

Reada

Isn’t it grand that the Journal do not block you, yet when some people on here make simple opinion that is not absive but contains their own opinion or facts, they get blocked, tell me, how do you propose they comment further on theJournal?

Isn’t grand that you can ignore an argument a person makes and make derogatory comments all you like about people and defame their character, yet you are never blocked and are allowed carry on your insults and fact absent commentary.

Bill I just love that sentence. It’s just beautiful. No person is illegal… I just love it

Sean, i can’t understand how it’s a silly position to take. Obviously, it’s not cut and dry and if you consider the slave trade it’s a grey area (thanks Laura) and that needs to be looked at, however, i never enter a country without a visa and when it’s up i leave because i know i’ll never be allowed back into the country if i ever get caught.It’s not a matter of opinion here, it’s the law, if you don’t follow it, expect to get burned. Bill’s comment is an opinion, there’s a difference. In a utopian society, it would be lovely to have no borders or controls where no one could be deemed illegal but there has to be some kind of system where you control immigration levels for simple, basic reasons such as resources. There will come a time when arable land and potable water are resources that are fought over and you’ll probably have a very different view of immigration law then.

To clear the record, i’m not a right-wing, anti immigration nut or anything, i’m just saying that the law has been broken, in most cases, by people who were chancing their arm. I’ve friends that did it in the states and got deported. Their own tough luck as far as i’m concerned and they’d admit it themselves. Stop letting your emotions take over and look at this as a legal issue. Was the law broken? Yes it was and that means it’s time to implement a fitting punishment for their crime.

Nadine, You seem to be confused about how the asylum and immigration systems work. Pamela was not found to be illegal. She made an application for asylum in this country. Ireland is signatory to the Gevena Convention and therefore has an obligation to consider the applications of people looking for protection in the State. Her application was refused and she made an appeal and looked for judicial review of the decision. This is entirely legal and part of our judiciary system. Pamela did not do anything illegal. If you disagree with the judiciary system or that Ireland has ratified the Geneva Convention you should target the politicians, do not target people who are part of the system. When Pamela’s judicial review application was refused she was then removed from the State. So, to sum it all up: Pamela was not found to be illegal. She came an applied for asylum and sought a review of the decision as she was entitled to and then was removed from the country when she exhausted her claims.

Nadine is actually correct Pablo….Pamela cost me and other taxpayers like me €1,000,000!!! She had the right to go to court, yes, but then appeal, appeal and appeal… Our system is too generous to illegals. Illegals are bad for our economy and bad for our culture!!!

@ Michael: Pamela was only ascerting her rights to appeal and navigate the judiciary system. Hundreds of people take judicial reviews every year ( and most of them have nothing to do with immigration matters) Why are you not complaining about how those cases cost you money? What are you calling for? A judiciary system in which one has no choice to seek a review of a decision… That to me sounds like an authoritarian regime,

There is always room in ones heart to care about others.

Whatever the saving was it would be minuscule to the cost burden to taxpayers if tens of thousands of Irish people arriving home if the USA and Australia did as you suggest.

So Reada is there room in your house? And eh, you might want to stock up on a few extra supplies, food and such, so how many are you going to house Reada?

Denmark’s immigration laws save country £6 billion
Denmark has called for stricter immigration laws after a report concluded that the country’s already stringent regime had saved the country £6 billion over the past 10 years.

But this country has no jobs for “them” to contribute.

Fair play ballyer

People who want to contribute?

Eh, this is Ireland, the people who want to come here, simply want to come to live in the west, because their own countries are either in bad state, or overcrowded.

We have our own land fought for by our own ancestors for us their descendants, so that we could have the unfettered access to this land, and preserve and protect our Irish people and culture. We are not New York, we are an established land with a millenia old established ancestry and culture.

We have our own people that contribute to our own society. We never needed foreigners in these mass immigration numbers before, so why now?

You have an interesting perception. Undocumented means they can’t claim welfare or other benefits, so they are paying their own way, which is what “contributing” means.

I agree with you Ballyer Rules. But my comments have disappeared, about not enough support for teachers in classrooms, and I do not mean in half hour segments, to help teach all kids the basics in reading writing and maths through english. All children in school are being held back ,through lack of forward thinking and not putting in the on the ground support that is needed. Less talk and more action is what is needed.

sean c

Undocumented ASLO means they do not pay tax, can avail of emergency services, and are usually taken into their own communities and black markets, where they find jobs and have children, after which they can then become citizens from having children born here. Not only that, but in Britian it was found that Labor gov who were pro immigration, were found to deliberately leave open their borders and allowed mass immigration, their UK border agency was found to not check 100s of 1000s of people, they were directed to just leave them all through, it was found rapists, terrorists Taliban and murderers had enetered the country, with many going on to commit crimes against the local populace. How many of these undocumented are criminals who were let in from UK.
And how many are criminals full stop. In any case, it is more people here that we Irish now have to compete with for everything, from hospital spaces, jobs, renting accomodation…everything. As well as the fact the strain put on the environment, from more people. We already have enoug to compete with with our own Irish people.

This is a culture and country destroyer.

Sean

Oh and Sean. You might want to look up scams such as:

1)How undocumented can get hold of fake PPS numbers and therefore claim all the benefits and welfare they can squeeze out of the system.
2)How undocumented use sham marriages to legalise themselves, and thus use another loophole to get into Ireland.
3) how undocumented become undocumented after they go sckiving off after using a student visa to get in here, but apply for student visa after student visa and then make a case to have leave to remain when they make a case saying their prime interests are now in ireland, thus in many cases being allowed remain here and be waived to have permanent status.

I know right well yourself and Reada are 2 of the usual suspect immigration industry cheerleaders and witch-hunters who shout racist and nazi at every indigenous European wanting the right to oppose immigration. We have EVERY right to oppose this amoral artificially driven agenda.

Nadine: Again, I am impressed about how little knowledge of immigration you have. Dring the Celtic Tiger ( the period of high economic growth in Ireland that happened during the late 1990-2000s) The irish Government was pursuing an active policy of inward migration in order to sustain the high levels of economic growth we were all proud of. So people were basically told to come here to work (mainly in the service, agricultural, construction, domestic, care sectors) in order to create the so called “Irish Miracle”

Poppy Socks you should be Minister for Justice!!

Deport them to what poppy? Surely each case should be decided with compassion.

It’s not that simple. How about a woman who was trafficked to Ireland and sold basically as a sex slave, escaped and finds herself undocumented. Gets a job, tries to make a life here because she can’t go home and no one will help her? It’s a problem that needs to be addressed properly. Or what about someone who arrived and HAD work permits which their employers took from them, along with their passports, while paying them 3 euro an hour. What do they do? Regularisation is the only option for some of those people. It’s incredibly ignorant and small minded to see it as black and white as you portray it.

Danielle

A woman who is trtafficked should be attended to, then sent home to her family and friends. Many of the traffickers themselves are undocumented foreigners. There are nigerian gangs operating in europe trafficking women, and arranging sham marriages. If european border law was tightened up, you would not be seeing as much of these types of crime.

Today sex slaves and the biggest slavery in the world, that of women is still carried, on, but all you can do is jump up and down about foreigners. Isn’t it amazing how people can theorise a=and dream about Irelands first black or asian this or that, long before even an Irish woman gets the job.

???

Read the article

I have read the arcticle . Your comment does not make any sense !!

Ok eileen. What doesn’t make sense to you. Are you saying that you don’t think It’s sad that people spend 8 years without seeing their family in order to provide for them?

David @ I said your comment ” Just shows how lucky we are here in Ireland and it puts a lot of the moaning and whinging into perspective.” Does not make sense .. AND no it is not right that people who are here illegally should have to wait here 8 years…. They should have applied for a visa first .

Well I’m afraid I can’t spend all night explaining this to you. But I thought it showed how we have it so much better here than in the countries where these misfortunes come from and they appreciate how good the quality of life is here relative to other countries

That suits me too . Charity begins at home and to be honest I am so tired of bleeding hearts , and npeople getting more use from my hard earned taxes than I ever will .The same goes for all the bankers and overpaid politicians too. Have a nice evening .

The sexual tension between Eileen and David here is intense, get a room you two!

My posts were removed when I said there was not enough support for teachers in class with children who do not have english as a first language …

Absolute bullshit. We had full employment, therefore we didn’t have people to fill vacancies.
This ‘jobs Irish people wouldn’t do” is a myth.

Indeed smithan. Ciaro you’re in some serious need of a good hug. You’re getting very cranky again…

Anyone who writes ‘period’ after a full stop should be deported, going forward.

And people who say…going forward.

Deported to what Barry? Or do you not care?

Yes let’s send back the 50,000 illegal Irish workers that are currently in America.

I know. We’ll deport them. Where I wonder. Yeah Africa. We all originated from there anyway. Few here could do with a few months in Somalia. Might open their eyes, or their hearts.

@Nadine: If you actually do a littl bit of reasearch you would know that the notion of ‘race’ has been scientifically discredited. In plain people terms: It does not exist. Therefore claiming that the white ‘race’ is different from the black ‘race’ is going back to eugenics, which is a form of racism and the basis for race superiority.
And, no, the United States was not a country founded by white immigratns. The territory of what is now the US was inhabited by a number of native american tribes, which were invaded, killed and to modern-days suffer from acute discrimination. What represents the modern-day USA, is a multi-ethnic country that since its beggining was formed by Native Americans, African immigrants (brought against their will through the form of slavery) and White European invaders (Mainly British) It is only much later that immigration (voluntary) started to happen to the USA. Irish people did not help ‘found’ the USA. They migrated to an already stablished country/nation-State together with many other communities (including Japanese, Chinese, Mexican, etc) So you cannot argue that Irish immigrants to the USA have a higher sense fo deserving than say the above communities. Also, let me draw attention to the high levels of racism and discrimination that Irish immigrants had to undergo as they arrived to the USA. And you might also be interested in reading about how the Irish “became white”. Because it took them decades to be given the description of “white”. Orignally the Irish were equated to the “black” population. As a matter of interest, look at this cartoon, then you might rethink your arguments: http://chnm.gmu.edu/exploring/images/harpers.jpg

The native Americans might find fault with your White comment. And the Africans that were brought from Africa in slave ships may find your comment pretty ugly too. I certainly did as a native Irishwoman living in Ireland. Yuck.

I agree with you Reada, but I also find the final sentence extremely disturbing. If it’s a widely held opinion then Ireland is in a very dark place. The casual dismissal of the Judeo-Christian ethos that Ireland and most western democracies are based not withstanding, It means we have forgotten our past, Ireland was a third world country in living memory, so we are condemned to relive it.

My final sentence Sean? I just wanted to make clear I didn’t have an ulterior motive.

Sean and Danielle. DONT ENGAGE WITH YER WAN! She’s a front for the national front probably. Talk to the others if you want. She has all this typed up already to copy and paste. Her type couldn’t care less about our elderly or our poor or our children. It’s all hate-filled propaganda. Ignore her!!!

Trust me.

Sorry. Forgot FEAR and god knows we’ve enough of that coming from our own government. ;)

Danielle
“going on this comment you ARE a racist, a bigot and hater ” – show where I hate other races, show where I have a preconceived idea about another group of people that leads me to discriminate against them, show where I hate.

as this is what you have stated I am and do, therefore show where. I have not done so and I do not. If you cannot understand the difference between a person opposing immigration and that same person liking all races, then I do not think it is I, who am the slow, person. (besides the fact that you yourself seem to have something against people who are slow, why else use it as an insult term, I personally have no problem with people who are slow)

“I cannot even believe you just called America a “white” country.”

I didn’t, I stated the US was a European made country, which was founded by Europeans, guess what – they were white. I also said we WENT ( as in past tense, we as a tradition WENT to white countries, the US being one of them, get over yourself and your brainwashing, that a white person sticking up for their culture and people means they hate other races!!!, get real)

“And sorry but what “thanks” are you expecting back from starving Africans who we have given aid to?”
I am talking about their countries, their people, their descendants now, most of Africa is not starving, and those who are here, are perfectly fine, yet they do not thank us for everything we did for them, instead, like you, they rant and throw a hissy fit, spewing hate and bile at how any white person has no right to oppose immigration and want Ireland to remain for the ancestral Irish people and culture.

Start reading things more carefully. Perhaps you could not understand this ‘slow’ person. (bit hateful and bigoted of you to come down on slow people!)

Sean C. No we’re not destined to be a third world country. Sure don’t we have 4 green fields. Our fields will bloom once again. Only better. If we open our hearts and act on our feelings we could realise our real potential. It’s not all about the money. Don’t be worrying.

Reada

You have not been able to counter any of my arguments, all you do is warn people not to talk with me, and then make sneery remarks about anyone who opposes immigration, saying they are this and that. Do you know that you sound like a person who burnt witches at the stake, a witch-hunter.

It is you that is the fear-monger here.

You just called America a “white country” AGAIN. I don’t know what part of this you’re not understanding, but America was not originally a white country, nor is it now. Also, America was not “founded” by Europeans. What do you think we did, said to ourselves one day “oh hey I know, let’s create America, that might be fun”.

No one “founded” it. I was always there. It had its natives and we Europeans stumbled upon it and moved in, as immigrants, by the way, because that’s what Europeans technically were when they decided to take that land away from its rightful owners, the native Americans – and you’re actually trying to make Europeans sound like some fantastic people for “finding” and building America as if we brought no trouble with us, as if we didn’t move in on someone else’s territory and claim it as our own. As if Europeans being there didn’t cause wars. As if what Europeans did to the native Americans was not disgusting on so many levels.

Europeans brought diseases with them to America, diseases which killed native Americans who had not acquired immunity. Genocide, warfare, disease. That’s what Europeans brought with them to America. It wasn’t all streets paved with gold at the beginning, as you seem to assume. Your knowledge of history is clearly non-existent. You are a white supremacist, whether you know it or not.

Reada not the final sentence of your post, the final sentence of the post you where responding

Read it Sean C but she might as well be talking gibberish. Don’t speak her language and don’t wish to learn. She’s different from the normal tripe that was on
re Darren Scully. Much more organised. Ignore her and don’t bother reading her posts. Pure choice on her part not just ignorance. Good night.

@Nadine: If you actually do a littl bit of reasearch you would know that the notion of ‘race’ has been scientifically discredited. In plain people terms: It does not exist. Therefore claiming that the white ‘race’ is different from the black ‘race’ is going back to eugenics, which is a form of racism and the basis for race superiority.
And, no, the United States was not a country founded by white immigratns. The territory of what is now the US was inhabited by a number of native american tribes, which were invaded, killed and to modern-days suffer from acute discrimination. What represents the modern-day USA, is a multi-ethnic country that since its beggining was formed by Native Americans, African immigrants (brought against their will through the form of slavery) and White European invaders (Mainly British) It is only much later that immigration (voluntary) started to happen to the USA. Irish people did not help ‘found’ the USA. They migrated to an already stablished country/nation-State together with many other communities (including Japanese, Chinese, Mexican, etc) So you cannot argue that Irish immigrants to the USA have a higher sense fo deserving than say the above communities. Also, let me draw attention to the high levels of racism and discrimination that Irish immigrants had to undergo as they arrived to the USA. And you might also be interested in reading about how the Irish “became white”. Because it took them decades to be given the description of “white”. Orignally the Irish were equated to the “black” population. As a matter of interest, look at this cartoon, then you might rethink your arguments: http://chnm.gmu.edu/exploring/images/harpers.jpg

Logged on a few hours ago and plenty of debate… Where’s it all gone?

Does the journal not believe in freedom of speech?

Racism is no more debate than it is freedom of speech.

There were 139 comments left under this article… 30 are left… There’s no way 109 comments on this page were racist… I have more respect for the intelligence of the majority of readers

Hi BJ. Are you reading on your phone? Currently our app only supports a certain number of comments (it’ll be fixed in the next update) – but if you read on your computer then you should be able to see the whole debate. Hope that helps.

You sound like a do gooder yourself! But what happens if your stable job is removed, suddenly their is no demand for your line of work here or abroad. You have a family to support and board a plane for The nearest place that offers any form of work.after years of contributing to the new community, do you look at yourself and say this is so wrong. Imagine the position of some illegals that sentence themselves to not seeing their families for years, hardly a life style choice but a surviving choice.

Good on you Andrew, I’d be proud to have you as an Irish citizen, it would offset the utter shame I feel about the commentary here by birthright citizens posting here, they don’t deserve to be Irish.

Ignore her Danielle. Don’t give her fuel. I’m just deleting her emails

Ter…because they are racist and good on the journal…democracy doesn’t stretch to racism.

Because they where racist!

There are five A380′s on the runway at Sydney airport right now with 2,500 illegals on board…just say the word and they’ll be cleared for take off.

I taught you were reformed! Will you still be complaining when the irish soccer team has a Nigerian striker knocking in 50 goals.

Sad !

If Australia sends back the tens of thousand illegal Irish you’re prepared to the resulting increase in your tax to accommodate them on the dole then.

Many are fleeing persecution and it would be unusual to get an asylum seeker in possession of a passport. Says a lot about how comparably well-off we are when we can such things for granted and be in awe that somebody wouldn’t just line up and wait their turn. Some references to social welfare, etc. on this site. Actually asylum seekers get an allowance of €19.10 per WEEK. Folks living in centres can expect to live under these conditions for at least 6 years. Some live there, in Ireland, for twice this length. Quite bleak actually, a murder sentence would be shorter.

Don’t give them any ideas David. Some of the commentators are sick enough already. Some are just scared and ignorant.

For all those fans, and all those old enough to remember, the film the “The Commitments” I suppose the comments shown on this site mean that we have now lost our right to sing The Blues.