Was about to say something similar, while undoubtedly there would he cases of discrimination they would be one of the most likely to have poor English which would automatically put then at a disadvantage

I do get so pi5sed of any excuse to play the racist card and hopefully cash in on a claim..
Oh and stop with all this black slave crap as white Irish were the first slaves in the world

Question the question: if someone doesn’t get a job and you ask them afterwards if they think they were discriminated on the basis of ethnicity/gender/quotas/whatever the inclination is to say “yes”.

The fact that someone thinks they were discriminated against does not mean they actually were. The multinationals are very diverse as is retail and the public sector is actively non-discriminatory so I’d love to see who are the culprits here.

Or are we about to launch into another bout of hand-wringing over a problem that might or might not exist?

Thank god they do not get discriminated in the welfare office our people in there make sure they get every thing they look for.

Any form of racism should be just ignored as every single ethnic group claims it and maybe then once no attention is payed people will use it as a excuse

We were enslaving the Welsh long before Cromwell.

Because the more they play the racist card the more people fall for it but in reality they ate tge most racist by far,really would never ever hire one

employers should be and have a right to be choosey no?

MVM “would never hire an African because Africans are racist”.

Where to even start.

Frank.. Surveys and studies are importantant. The information that is garnered aid in making and educated decision and facilitating laws. Had proper surveys and studies been done, I’m sure the decision the late Brian Linnehan made with his party would have never completed. The lack of this has now placed us in banking crisis we all are now experiencing.

Well said Dublin

What really gets me are the changes to our culture brought about by theses so called discriminated against.
You can be sure you won’t walk into certain countries and be given the red carpet treatment and dare you look to change their culture because it “offends you”
We are too dam accommodating if you ask me ..

Thank you for sharing this experience, might open some eyes here.

Likewise, Africans seem to get agitated easily when discussing. Another cultural thing. What to us seems a heated argument on the brink of a fight, to them is just a normal mode of conversation, they just speak loud like that. It’s for them though to learn local modes of communication.

Great generalisation there. Where were you in 1939? Germany I assume, writing comments on DerJournal saying that the majority of Jews you have come across eat Christian babies.

What rubbish to write in a public forum, along with your real name and photograph. Way to stir racial hatred. Has anyone ever told you about the “No Dogs, No Irish” signs that our forefathers had to endure in England and America.

I mean, that’s normal to me: immigrants must try harder. This promotes an influx of the skilled, educated, ambitious, etc. You don’t want a shower of losers you’re forced to employ do you?

Here here

Irish are open on the surface, but they never accept you as their own. I’m not saying it’s a bad thing though.

Where I live, even Irish who weren’t born in the locality and have been living here for decades are considered “blown in” and e.g. will never get a spot at the local cemetery. Which makes sense, its a small cemetery :)

Regionalism. Same as everywhere.

What’s wrong with the phrase? Not every African is black. Not all black Africans are Nigerian. Sounds reasonably accurate to me. How else can it be put? “Non-white subsaharan migrants”?

my point is why create this group of “Black Africans”? What does their skin colour have to do with it? And how far do you go to create a sub-group of people to find a common link? If the same process looked at “18 year old white inner-city males with no formal education” what results would we see? Would they claim discrimination based on their skin colour or does that only work one way?

Couldn’t agree more. How do black French fare in this survey?

Here here! Well said marlon

While a lot in what you say Marlon is true, its never as clear cut as that. I don’t feel that Ireland is a bad place at all for discrimination. Maybe it is a generational thing…I don’t know but what you have to take into account is that Ireland is that until relatively recently we never really experienced other people actually wanting to live here from abroad rather than people from here moving abroad.

I don’t think we have done too bad as regards this. We have no extremist right wing groups specifically trying to block people coming to live in our country…I can’t think of many racially motivated attacks in recent memory….and generally as you say most people here are pretty welcoming and friendly. I definitely know that I have never heard of someone being told they were not getting the job because they are not white or whatever.

I can’t speak for any of the comments that you think are full of nastiness and anger, but I could speculate that a lot of the attitudes like that have been shaped by the economic situation here. When you have native Irish finding great difficulty to get a job, from their point of view, I suppose it would quite difficult to have sympathy for somebody blaming racism/discrimination as a reason.

King Olaf…. I agree with you… That the discrimination that we are faced with is generational and related to the economy. In the every culture it appears when there is a down turn in the economy people look for a Scapegoat to blame.

But very true… Ireland hasn’t done bad at all when it comes welcoming outsiders. The compassion and understanding that the average Irish person displays is astounding. However, being that this country’s population is so small… The minority of Butt Heads that spew trash, is turning all of the positives in to negatives.

I moved to this country, not for fame or fortune… But to make a difference. Though many won’t accept this fact… But this country needs a new way of thinking. And it is the influences of ” Blow Ins” that will help with this new way of thinking. There are countless forms of evidence that proves that the old ways, and the old vanguard is not the best for this country.

I am here to do my part, and it sounds like you are too.

Well said Marlon. I do believe with time whatever level of discrimination/racism that is in this country will eventually disappear because as you know we have a fairly decent society here that values being allowed get on with your life without much hassle. As regards the people who are butt heads, I like to think that maybe they haven’t had the good fortune to really get to know anybody who isn’t native Irish. They would most likely find that there is little or no difference between us.

I think you have hit the nail on the head as regards one thing though. Everything is all good as long as people like yourself come here, who want to contribute and help improve our society. The problem starts when you get people coming in to take advantage of our society. I don’t know how to prevent that, but if it is prevented someday, I can guarantee you that it will go a long way to getting rid of what discrimination/racism is here.

you said “please note there are now native Irish with dark completions”

? how do you figure

I mean if I become a citizen of Nigeria , am I a native nigerian ? , if i go to america to live am i a native american ?

can you please clarify what you mean

Technically, a person is a native of the whence they were born. So anyone born in Ireland regardless of skin colour are Irish.

you said – “Technically, a person is a native of the whence they were born. So anyone born in Ireland regardless of skin colour are Irish”

so if I am born in America am I a “native American” ?

You would be an American native, as the term native american is specifically used to refer to the ethnic groups that inhabited the continent before European colonisation. You would still be an annoying pedant, I suspect.

I just did a google search for “American native” and it returns “native American” , therefore are you suggesting that everyone born in america is a native american ?

I don’t believe Google Search address the nuance and semantics of this topic. I believe you can categorize the difference as follows:
• Native Americans = the indigenous peoples of the New World now America that suffered genocide, to near extinction, from European settlers starting as far back as 1492. The survivor’s ancestors are now referred to in America as Native American.

From Wikipedia: The indigenous peoples of the Americas are the pre-Columbian inhabitants of North and South America and their descendants. Pueblos indígenas (indigenous peoples) is a common term in Spanish-speaking countries. Aborígen (aboriginal/native) is used in Argentina, while “Amerindian” is used in Guyana, but not commonly used in other countries. Indigenous peoples are commonly known in Canada as First Nations or Aboriginal peoples, and in the United States as Native Americans, American Indians, or simply Indians.

Whereas a person born in America and isn’t of the Native American Indian heritage can be referred to as an American Native.

actually no , nobody here is inciting any kind of hatred , I haven’t seen any kind of incitement to hatred that you suggest in any of the comments , if anything these kind of topics bring out the FG type blogger , put the Irish People down and make them too ashamed to speak out agains the uncontrolled immigration into the country and the resultant consequences that are following.

Ummmm… I don’t think I mentioned anything about hatred.

Freebies Ireland you are just being a smart arse. Cop on.

That’s ridiculous Mark. I’m not pre-judging anyone. Discrimination in a lot of cases is just a perception of treatment. I’m currently on a working holiday visa in Australia and I wouldn’t have the neck to blame an unsuccessful attempt to get a job as discrimination.

Best man for the job is how it should work.

Which comments are you referring to?

I agree with Mark. It’ not only in this post but you’ll see it in any other article about discrimination. I think that no Irish wants to be accused of discrimination or racism, and to be honest, who wants? But they are so convinced they don’t do it, that they simply can’t and won’t see the reality as it is laid out in research. Maybe a better way of saying would be: “The Irish don’t do discrimination, but is they did……”

So do a lot of people discriminate against you for being Dutch?

@jeroen – of course some irish are discriminatory – there’s an article on the journal every month or so telling us as much – but I’ve not read a comment so far claiming discrimination doesn’t exist. What I have read is that people are tired of these surveys that fail to check or report, whether the person who feels ( and it’s just a feeling in the report) discriminated against, had the proper qualifications or requisite level of English to perform the role adequately. Some small business may discriminate against black Africans as they may be viewed as a risky bet for fear of the race card being played if things genuinely don’t work out. Others may want to help native / locals before hiring a ‘foreigner’. It might not be ethical but I’m sure it happens. Yes there may be discrimination, some worse than others, but it certainly doesn’t mean the Irish are all massive racists.

Derek/Scarr: just look at the comments made. It says enough about the state of this country when it does to discrimination and prejudice.
A few years back it was demonstrated beyond doubt how a CV with a foreign name on it had only a small chance of being selected for interviews then the same CV with a good old paddy name on it.
I’m us there are many excuses one can make up for that, but it’s prejudice at best and plain discrimination at worse.

There are many Irish who’d never discriminate or act upon prejudice, but the notion it doesn’t happen is pure ignorance.

Damocles; Yes, I did. However, as a Dutch, white male of 6 foot 7 I’m not the easiest target.
My wife, who’s French, but of Asian heritage has been belittled, made fun of and verbally abused.

Very racist comments, and the fact they have their name and picture beside them is incredible.

In one way its funny to see them spout such nonsense, but in another way its very scary. Very blatant incitement to hatred.

Thats not fair :)

We use “Ye” a lot, but that’s because we like Shakespeare!!