Pity the hse don’t get the same here with the perpetrators as well

In Ireland he would have got 2080 days off a 2100 days sentence for good behaviour

Who is doing the ‘thumbs down’ to these comments?????

Wow!
You are in a bitchy mood this morning Declan. I admit I did not fully understand the subtlety of their (Brendan and Dom) argument at times, but it had an intellectual rigour, something your post lacked. How’s that for oneupmanship!

‘’m not advocating corporal punishment outright and stoning/hand chopping here’

that’s exactly what you’re doing. I never get why with a man who repeatedly rapes his kids they don’t give him lets say a ten year sentence FOR EACH INSTANCE. Have a nice few centuries for some of them then.

But death and torture? Not something I want my goverment wielding.

Hear hear, in absolute and total agreement. Very well put:)

It’s all fine and dandy to assume moral high ground but if you had a choice between three years in prison away from the family or 50 lashes administered through a period of two weeks what would you chose? I’d go for lashes any time.

I thought Castlebar man got life.

So would you rather do life in prison or 4 years with 2080 lashes?

For the thumbs down brigade who seemingly cannot even bear to consider a simple choice between prison and corporal punishment, I recommend “In Defense of Flogging’’ by Peter Moskos, a criminologist at the City University of New York and a former Baltimore police officer.

Animals don’t behave like this, except perhaps Elephant Seals!!

Definitely castration.
Animals are castrated for two reasons..cuts down the sex drive/procreation and makes them less agressive. I agree with Brendan.

Just for clarification and seeing other comments. I am totally opposed to any form of physical punishment for crimes and specifically believe that the death penalty is worse than murder because it is a societal premeditation of taking a life. (The definition of murder, as opposed to manslaughter, is that murder is premeditated)

Castration is not a physical punishment, it is a method whereby we can protect ourselves from predatory behaviour without resorting to barbarism.

Having said all that, if anyone raped one of my daughters, castration would be the least of their worries.

It would be a shocking busy court. Where would it be based? Who would pay to transport and put up the defendant when there? I’m not sure you have thought this one through… :-)

You might be right there, Oisin, but at least it’s a start. I would venture to suggest that in the not-to-distant future all laws will be changed to common laws and most laws today which are redundant for the times we are in will be replaced with them and you will be judged through online courts. You won’t have to travel to get the lashes! They’ll probably send someone round so you’ll suffer the added ignomy of your neighbours diasapprobation for minor offences! Joking aside – the law is an ass and an even bigger ass when it comes to international law:) All the best. Ardo

good point.. ……. I’d say its for the drugs.

My understaning of it is that he gave her the drugs, then raped her.

If you ever need reminding why Ireland will never grow up you just need to read the days comments on the journal . It’s the people, ignorance abounds

Not all.

Feck. My reply was to Peter not fitz. Big difference!

So, let me be clear here as to what you are proposing Dom
As has been reported elsewhere in The Journal, a depraved rogue male can rape and torture his five girl children for 18 years (with the acquiescence of his wife) one of them having two children as a result of this abuse and rape.
Your proposal is that this 50 year old male should be rehabilitated back into our community and have a constitutional right to sex!!
As a community we have a responsibility to look after our children, our elders and our “broken ones” and as Men, we should be gentle, not soft

No, my proposal is that removing legs will have the same preventative effect as your proposal to remove teses. And I wasn’t defending his right to sex but merely pointing out that removing the possibility to have children is as harsh as removing the possibility to walk. Ok, it may not strictly apply to this guy who is 50 and has a few kids incl with his own daughter but extreme cases make for lousy policy making. End of the day, as far as I am concerned, this guy deserves to have his head cut off like they do to convicted murderers here in Saudi. Unless he is in rude health, 2080 lashes may as well have the same outcome.

Ah! So you think men with no legs can’t have sex Dom?
Interesting

No Brendan, I don’t think men without legs can’t have sex. Where did I say that? I do think men without legs will find it a bit difficult to rape someone. Remember – that’s where the discussion started?

Lou what do you mean by saying “definitely avoid asking a judge from castlbar???!!!” I’m curious!!

Get a room Brendan and Dom.

No

hehe at least you acknowledge you are a sheep

But of course it wont…..

True Jeff.

I agree Steve

Looks like it’s a “grab a ticket and get in line” jobbie

My point was that by removing testes you are denying the offender a chance of ever becoming a parent. By giving you a choice between the legs and the testes I wanted to illustrate the implication of the preventive measure you are proposing (I know you don’t seriously think the govt should go around castrating people – but it’s a nice debate anyway) and to prove that removal of legs may not be as savage as you initially thought it was.

Is brendan not suggesting that the rapist should be castrated? Thus effectively removing his urge to rape?I think removing his legs isn’t going to remove any urge….. And I’m with him,if anyone ever hurt my baby,castration or removal of legs would be wishful thinking on their part!!!

I was sadly thinking the exact same thing. She’s a tough life ahead of her, as well as behind, as without her virginity, she’ll be deemed worthless in that backward country.

All set for the singing tonight?

Not speaking to you anymore Magic. Saw you flirting with another bird. The love affair is over!!!

I most certainly was not…you mean the sheep Fitzpatrick? He is family :(

Ok. Didn’t mean him. It was some bird yesterday. It’s a very serious thread to be reunited on but I forgive you. XXX

True we better continue this conversation on the phone. Ill call you there in about 10 minutes pumpkin pie xx

I reckon they were hard on him only because a daughter is obliged to obey her father . . . if it was any other woman, she’d be in trouble. Agree about the daughter tho – hard life ahead . . .

Frances. Of course. He sullied her, thereby making her unsuitable for another man. They need a lot of females there as some men need more than one to satisfy their insatiable sexual appetite.

What did the Sadist say to the Masochist when the Masochist said, “go on hit me” ?
NO….

Exactly Brendan!

yeh its great craic if you dont have a vagina

Dom. Tried hard to resist replying to your comment but not very good at that… How you could glibly write what you just wrote. Yuck.

Sounds like you’ve picked the right country with the kind of sexist environment to live in. Right up your street. Serious yuck!!

Reada, you are constantly being personal. People make life choices based on the opportunities presented and the necessities of life. I have the luck to be able able to live in Saudi without judging equally as I was able to walk the vice ridden streets of Miami with all the drag queens without judging them either. Both environments build character and widen horizons. You on the other hand constantly whinge about things that do not affect you one iota. What is your problem? When you buy apples from your grocer at the corner, do you inquire whether he beats his wife???

Yeah. Dead right Dom. Find I’m getting really good at being a bitch. Must try harder to be nice. I’ll start now. Have a nice life.

To be fair I don’t think he will survive the 2080 lashes, just like most people end up stoned to death. Think of it as a more painful death then a hanging.

well said, some of the opinions here are scary. how many could actually do the lashing themselves?

“It’s not the middle ages anymore.”
Maybe those sick bastards didn’t get the memo!
They are exceptions to every rule, and for those that go so far out and abuse rules ie. serial rape and torture. Their actions changed the rules meaning and to try them under current laws/rules seems a little redundant.
It’s like a murderer kills 1 person gets 12yrs in prison, and another man kills 10 people by cutting them to pieces and receiving the same sentence as its the same crime under the law.
Severity should at least be sought after in some regard. That’s what I meant by my comment. Truly heinous crimes should have more suitable punishments.

‘They are exceptions to every rule’ not in feckin law!

‘It’s like a murderer kills 1 person gets 12yrs in prison, and another man kills 10 people by cutting them to pieces and receiving the same sentence as its the same crime under the law.’
He gets 120 years, appropriate punishment I think.

I understand what youre saying Damhsa but i dont agree, either its the law or it isnt. No grey area.

As for your point about severity, on the surface i might agree with you but think about it from the other direction. Imagine, like your example, a person kills someone very brutally and has the book thrown at them, does that mean that the life of the person who was only shot should mean less? That their murderer should not also receive the harshest punishment the judge can give? A life is a life, you cant treat a person who takes one any differently.

Agree entirely Chris, Waffler and Conor. It’s always possible to find an excuse to make an exception for the reintroduction of capital punishment.

You only have to look at the thumbs when 2 commentators are having a good barney. It’s too easy to just react to a horrific story like this with the human instinct to hurt.

Not in favour of capital punishment in any circumstances. Lock them up and keep society safe but do your best to rehabilitate offenders too. Ignorance is something shouldn’t be tolerated instead.

Actually Conor, he doesn’t get 120 years. The sentences would run concurrently.

@Chris, Of course all loss of live should be treated equal. Saying that I’d take the way the victim suffered into account, a shot to the head is a instant kill, where are say skinning someone alive or what ever causes extreme pain to the victim, and for the perpetrator to be punished under “1st deg Murder” along with someone who shot a man in the head to be treated the same I’d find a problem with.
I think I find my answer to your own question, “a person kills someone very brutally and has the book thrown at them,” the punishment should fit the crime, especially when its horrific. Yes some family has lost their son/daughter, for that the murderer should be punished, but I believe on a scale of how sick and evil the crime was committed as the sentence passed down should reflect this. I see a Ministers has called the Castlebars case a heinous crime but that’s as far as our law permits us to punish him, lock him up and be done with it.

I think as hungover as I am now, I object to having someone who committed a vile evil crime and caused extreme on going pain and suffering to his victim should receive more than just carsaration. I don’t want for a moment they becoming comfortable after a few years in prison as we all know how short human memory is. I feel over a 25 year sentence maybe randomly 2 or 3 times a yr they get a whipping so they are reminded of why they are there and being punished and to feel a little of the pain they caused onto another human being for their own amusement.
Of course I see and understand the law is the law and rules are rules but when something so vile is committed I feel our laws don’t go far enough at times.
If imprisonment does not scare them them they do not fear committing the offence, that I have a problem with and simply locking them up does not come close to a deserved punishment.

and where the unknowing majority has to give up its right to safety to safeguard individuals who only live to violate them.

must be nice being a hero to the so called downtrodden

Not savage enough!!

Religion as you well know Cyril works in mysterious ways it’s wonders to perform! 2,080 lashes for incestuous rape of a minor in Saudi. Three Hail Mary’s, a lap of the stations and we’ll say no more about it does the job here!

You have daughters, right? Now here is an interesting choice for you: would you rather have your legs removed so you can’t walk or your testes removed so you could not have had your daughters? Now go and Google “removal of the testes, effect of” yourself.

… onto FAS quick……….. could be jobs there…..

I tried, they haven’t posted any jobs there yet anyways

And for destroying and possibly ending his daughters life,as I dread to think what will happen to her now :(

Not that I disagree with you but that’s interesting logic. Castration is not physical punishment but a measure of prevention. Well, if you amputate the predator’s legs he’s as likely to be prevented from reoffending so is this physical punishment or prevention?