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Interview: ‘There is a great anger in the country’ – President Higgins

In an interview with TheJournal.ie, President Michael D Higgins has spoken of his initiative to help Ireland’s youth shape the country’s future and his first year in office. Listen to the full interview here…

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PRESIDENT MICHAEL D Higgins has said that the “disastrous consequences of an appalling property bubble” have left many Irish people in poverty they have never before experienced.

In a wide-ranging interview with TheJournal.ie at Áras an Uachtaráin yesterday, President Higgins said that during his first year in office he has witnessed “a great anger in the country”.

He said: “There is no doubt whatever that some of the institutions and professions in which people placed their trust have let people down, and let people down for the shallowest of reasons.

“There is a great anger in the country about what is perceived to be the impunity of a small number of people who have brought disaster on generations.”

The President identified youth unemployment as the biggest problem across the European Union as he spoke prior to his first presidential seminar being held at the Áras today.

Listen: In part 1, the President discusses the Being Young and Irish initiative, youth unemployment, and the issues facing Ireland’s youth…



The theme of Being Young and Irish is to be discussed by 100 young people in the presence of government officials and the Children’s Minister Frances Fitzgerald at a seminar in the Áras this afternoon.

Higgins hopes that the event will allow young people to articulate their vision for Ireland and how that vision might be achieved.

The project has been running for the last six months with over 700 submissions to it and four workshops, attended by the President, being held across the country.

He said: “I think that it was such an unusual exercise that we were really gaining an enormous amount from the conversations we had with young people.”

Contributions ranged from three young people in prison – who the President later went to meet – to some of the Irish diaspora who had been forced to emigrate due to the current economic climate.

“There were common themes and seven hundred people is a fair old consultation. I would have liked if it is was more but it was very, very informative,” he said.

Higgins said that among the themes to emerge were equality, specifically gender equality, equality of opportunities and equality of participation.

He said: “Young people are saying that they want, for example, educational arrangements to be such that everyone doesn’t have to develop at the same age and the same time. That there should be a pace that is taken into account.

“They want a more holistic education,” he said. ”They don’t want to be prepared for a job that will be just one job and made redundant. They want to be prepared for movement between jobs and occupations and to be able to change direction.”

Listen: In part 2, the President talks about the highlights of his first year in office, the demands of the job and the bend in his knee!



The President outlined some of the practical solutions that young people had offered including for civics to be taught more at second level as well as introduction of philosophy in secondary schools.

There were calls too from young people for unfinished housing estates to be finished and handed back to communities.

“In a curious way, it’s [the working document from the project] a more reflective piece than you would find from some very serious and often pretentious interviews with those who you feel could tell us what the Irish economy is all about,” he said.

On his first year in office, the president said that he had changed protocols in order to allow people to speak more freely with him at public events and said that he would continue to visit parts of the country where he felt his presence would help.

“I decided very deliberately that I would use the first two years in particular to go to communities where the presence of the President might make a difference,” he said.

The Being Young and Irish initiative is part of what he described as a “transformative agenda” that he had undertaken while at the same time continuing to respect the constitutional limits of his office, which he acknowledged almost immediately on his election last year when he resigned from the Labour Party.

Given the considerable coverage this past week of the controversial death of Savita Halappanavar at Galway University Hospital, TheJournal.ie asked if it would be possible to discuss the matter with the President.

However he cited the constitutional limits of his office as a reason for his wish not to discuss the case.

But Higgins said there had been no interference from government in any of the speeches he has given or other public engagements in the past 12 months.

“I’ve not been asked to curb anything,” he said, adding that he does not feel he must refrain from speaking his mind on issues concerning Irish society.

Listen: In part 3, the President discusses his views on Twitter, his Kindle, The Gathering, and his plans for 2013…



As an example, he said: “If there was legislation for in relation to say the minimum wage, I don’t interfere there with legislation. But I can and do feel free to speak about poverty, to speak about inequality, to speak about mental health and so on.”

Higgins also spoke about his now infamous confrontation with Tea Party commentator Michael Graham on Newstalk radio two years ago, a recording of which recently went viral around the world.

“People reported to me that it got as far as 1.82 million [views] and I was quite astonished,” he said. “You’d be surprised at the kind of people who played it. I met the Dean of the Harvard Law School at an event in the Abbey Theatre and he asked me about it.”

Higgins said he received over 250 messages about the recording, which he said was “in my previous life”, recently, only six of which referred to his use of the word ‘wanker’ to describe Graham.

The President said that 2013 will be a year in which he explores the broad theme of ethics including “is there such a thing as ethical economics?”

With Ireland’s presidency of the European Union he expects to be busy and hopes to return the State visit of Queen Elizabeth II to Ireland last year by visiting the UK either late next year or early in 2014.

Asked whether he felt that he could continue at the pace he has set in his first year, he concluded: “I’ve found something that I hope every citizen experiences and that is the more you do, the energy comes and the energy that is needed for anything is always found there. Really, we’re only ever using a fraction of our possibilities. So I am flying along!”

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Comments (46 Comments)

  • The President is a fair minded person who understands injustice and is one who can speak his mind despite the personal consequences. He may be this and he may be that, but he has genuine kindness and a great political worldview.

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    • I don’t doubt that Michael Higgins’ heart is in the right place.

      But I doubt he has any thorough understanding of what is really, & importantly, not just an Irish problem, rather one that, particularly for us, since we gave up our monetary sovereignty (is there much other sovereignty?) involves the entire Eurozone & also the EU & beyond. The European & Global dimensions must be understood – if we don’t tackle matters at this level, Ireland’s youth face a dire future.

      I have just seen the video of a joint lecture by economist Professor Yanis Varoufakis & MMT economics advocate Marshal Auerback, which took place last month.

      The Eurozone mess, it’s origins & solutions are thoroughly disseminated for a lay audience (non-economists) at Columbia Law School (US).

      It’s 2hrs long, but I can assure you it’s worth more than a whole century of lamestream media & politicians nonsense, obfuscation & deceit.

      Modern Money & Public Purpose 3 : The Eurozone (crisis)

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpIsZL5FJVs&feature=player_embedded

      The best overview I’ve seen so far, by some margin.

      Great one-liner from Yanis:

      “It’s what happens when vested interest employs over-simplification to exploit prejudice”

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  • I have got to say, fantastic format and intriguing content. And the entire package shoots straight at an audience who are going to support Michael D Higgins and also the Journal. Nice one Hugh.

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  • The politicians need to realise the anger is not going away.

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  • Dear Michael
    Could u please tell this to the. Overpaid tossers in Leinster house
    My children have just had super noodles for lunch
    What have they had today?

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    • Sorry, Mik…he’s busy counting his salary and planning his next junket..and he cannot speak at the moment..wait till he washes his caviar down with a fresh magnum of bubbly.

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    • MDH can start reassuring us all when his pay cheque & the pay cheques of those in Govt & Leinster house become more realistic. And tackle the expenses, too. We all know who & what let the nation down. OK – he’s a nice man ‘n all but we have had enough of the bleeding obvious shoved down our throats.

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    • Don’t remind him that Equality was part of the original democratic programme, without which egalitarian input Liberty itself degenerates into Licence for the vested interests of organised cartels anti-democratic forces.

      Might upset the golden apple-cart.

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  • MrKnow 17/11/12 #

    This county is heading for a bad future, and he knows it. Our future brains have jumped ship already, the gap between rich and poor is growing everyday. The middleclass aka the people that build this country are near extinction! Why would you be a decent hard working family in this country? to be tax to death just to see your money go support white collar crime and fat cats while any pennies you have left goes to try keep you going for next seven days in the rip off republic. See people like me see that the country is dead and the last of the rotten flesh is been sucked up by crooks in power, we are just waiting for the rest of the goons to catch up.

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  • To be fair the president is acknowledging there being “great anger in the country”maybe you should be channelling that anger at the people responsible , “sharing a stage” at an awards night as president hardly qualifies him as being responsible for the mess….

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  • at least one man getting paid by the people can see something wrong,,, i got all out of sorts yesterday,, they were packing up trucks to go abroad with boxes for kids, and stood looking thinking my kids would love something for xmas,,, but we have discussed and know we cant afford, but we have a decision to get a bag of coal,, and we will have warmth , go visit family and graveyards and enjoy a big open fire when we come home, think my kids have a great spirit, but i would have loved a box to give to my own,, but guess there are worse off than myself and my family,, letters from bank to go to court will be boxed and burned on xmas oh what joy,,,,

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  • The anger was there long before he got elected President. And what is he going to do about it?

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    • its not his job to do anything about it he is a figure head not allowed to get involved in politics. What are you going to do about it yourself? The power for change rests with the ordinary people

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    • Christine
      Come along to the National protest against the Property tax and austerity on Sat next , 24th Nov. @ 1pm Garden of Remembrance , Dubiln. Let your voice join the thousands of others that will be there.

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  • M r President is was not long ago that you shared company on stage with Ernst A Young on Entrepreneur of the year award, this company provided the accounts to a certain mr Quinn which showed ANGLO IRISH in a very healthy position when the opposite was the truth ,this company still recieves state contracts and is not being investigated ,if this is the kind of entrepreneurship that we are looking for god help us.

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  • At least he’s not a complete pawn of the political parties as president. We could do a lot worse.

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  • Let us remember Higgins supported the neo-liberal Lisbon Treaty. He not only supported it once but twice. The second time was a flagrant subversion of Irish democracy. The Lisbon Treaty was also bristling with military clauses – something he always claimed to be opposed to. Higgins ignored all of this so he would get the nod from Labour to run for the Aras. The man is a hypocrite. Peadar O’Donnell described his type perfectly: “A monkey in the superstructure.”

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    • Brilliant quote from O’Donnell! Higgins is the ultimate pragmatist; willing to compromise on all kinds of things in order to walk the halls.

      That said I’d take him over Sean Gallagher any day!

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  • Nice one Michael me aul son

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  • well I’m looking forward to listening to this… well done the journal.ie

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  • Patronizing BS.He like,Róisín Shortall helped Labour lie their way into office before he became President. You can stick your words up your Áras Michael D,because you are no better than the rest of your former party colleagues!!!

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  • I understand your pain , says he in his free gaff in the park !

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  • A class a hypocrit who wine and dines with the protected elite. What did he or his party do during the
    Boom to save us from this crisis. He was elected by rte as they took down everyone else in the race and gave him soft questions. What will he do to make things better for those who are angry??

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  • Micheal d higgins is no different from the rest of the gombeenmen in power, he is in the most power position in the land he could if he was brave enough and sincere enough. he could instigate change and make a difference. but instead he opts to do Nothing, except talk the talk and take every cent of his very big salary which he draws down plus benefits and bonuses.
    I never understood conspiracy theories, but doing a lot of FACTUAL READING lately And i now believe that we as humans are no more than a commodity to this and every other govt and big buisness all over the world.
    we are being used. and I conclude it is our own fault, that we are in the mess were in.
    we gave these people the power to control us we allow them to dictate our very existence by using material objects against us, items which we seem to place all our daily existance, beliefs,abilitys & trust in.
    Irish history seems to be a thing of the past, a thing that we can go and visit in the museum if were bored on the weekend for the sake of having something to do and somewhere to go. we no longer respect our history.
    I for 1 am a shamed to say it. But I dont know my history and I dont speak the language of my my forefathers.
    we here in ireland are being excluded by non nationals coming to this country because they have the sense enough to keep their own language and it is this tool which allow these people to exclude us in our own country, some might say learn their language then, I say no learn our own language first.
    we place more emphasis on religion in this country than we do on our national tongue and look where that has lead us to.
    it is we the people who are to blame. only we can change our own destiny, we need to once again learn a very simple word and use this word more often and that word is NO,NO,NO otherwise I say SHAME ON US

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  • It seems he has a problem with wind.

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  • Leprechauns DO exist.

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  • Higgins is an okay President but he really doesn’t have the grace that Robinson or McAleese had

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