tut tut my little Adolf..now what have i said to you about invading neutral countries? but but mein Muti..no buts Adolf. now go to your bunker

I suppose he wouldn’t be as bad as hitler or one of those fellas, would he ted?!

and there was deValera kissing his ass and sympathising with the Nazis when he died

Meine Mutti.

De Valera was simply following international diplomatic protocol for a neutral country in sympathising with Germany on the death of Hitler. Don’t forget that less than 50 years previous to this we were under the boot of a foreign colonial power, not Germany by the way…

Yeah John I’m sure most Irish people forgot that we were under British rule? That doesn’t justify sympathizing with a maniac and turning away a ship full of Jewish refugees who were children; God knows what happened to them. Pretty sure if Britain, France, and America didn’t step in we would be part of the German Empire today and that would be a lot worse than any British Empire. Eamon de Valera is one of the worst political figures in Irish history and should have been tried for treason. The Irish state was made in Eamon de Valera image of how Ireland should be, not in what the Irish people wanted it to be. I can understand why Michael Collins could not stand him.

@kevin Niazi
As usual you’re on a bit of a rant…. DeValera should have been tried for treason?? For fighting for Irish freedom and keeping Ireland safe during a major world conflict by delicately balancing ireland between two forces that would have been only too happy to consume us. He is a national hero, but you make him wrongly to be responsible for everything from priests to paedophiles. He was a man of his age, of that era. Just because we have become enlightened with the passage of time doesn’t make people who acted and made decisions in the context of the society that they lived in then guilty of treason. Stop being so pontifically judgemental and before you condemn one of our greatest Irishmen, a principal leader in the fight for Irish freedom, ask yourself how much of his shoes you’d fill.

“He is a national hero.”………Seriously? He is the man who stated that Ireland is a Catholic state and who gave the Roman Catholic Church/Vatican a say in how to run/control Ireland without the consent of the Irish people. Why would we want a state endorsed religion, isn’t that what caused so much suffering before (Church of England)? Is that fair to all the Irish Protestant Republicans who died for this country? He is responsible for all the scandals, he’s the one who gave the Catholic Church the position to carry out such crimes. Was he fighting/defending Ireland like Michael Collins? Michael Collins (he didn’t even live to 40 years of age) is the national hero not Eamon de Valera who lived up to his 90s creating Fianna Fail and sitting in a nice office dictating. Fianna Fail are the morons who bankrupted Ireland and introduced 2 years ago a Blashpemy Law that was welcomed by the Islamic world. Why could women not get contraception back in the 60s/70s with a perscription? Why is abortion illegal in a Ireland, which is a European “liberal” Democracy? Only one European Head of State send condolences over Hitler’s death and that was Eamon de Valera. Wouldn’t the “neutral” thing to do, is not comment? Where were the condolences to the Irish families who lost loved ones in World War II? Why were Jews not allowed into Ireland during World War II? Is that neutral? What about the Irish Jews in the IRA? The Irish people that lost their lives, did not sacrifice themselves for Eamon de Valera’s dictator like positions. They died for Ireland and our the TRUE HERO’S. Michael Collins would have been a great Taeoisch.

Moronic comment Kevin. Big countries have no friends, and neither do small countries. Remember the Anglo Irish landlord who exhorted his tenants to fight for the Empire in WW I “because otherwise the Germans will do to you what the British have been doing for the last 600 years”. For all his faults DV kept us out of a war that had nothing to do with us.

“moronic”?! Where did I say anything about friends? Where was I praising Britain? Where was I inferring we should have joined in on the war? The reality is that if Britain was taken over by Hitler, Ireland would have been as well. No Irish Army can stop that. Why did Britain loan us money? Because they have many interests in Ireland and are failure would affect their economy. Condolences to terrorists and not letting refugees on the virge of being vaporized, is not neutral. Neither is imposing a Catholic Tribal state, democratic.

Kevin are you really trying to blame Dev for the fact that Fianna Fail bankrupted the country long after he died?

Or celebrity Bainisteoir

It’s spelled “neun” m’dear ;)

Are you a brand of cheese there green monkey?

Sie sind Ire und Dubliner, mein Herr.

Don’t think Dubs would have been to his liking too work shy like the Dublin Corpo.

switzerland was neutral & it wasnt invaded & its a timy country like ours.

Belgium was initially neutral, that didn’t stop the Nazi’s.

switzerland — the devil’s banker

And both countries end in “…land”
When will the striking similarities between ourselves and the German speaking landlocked country in the Alps end?

Hitler was one evil b*stard but he wasn’t stupid.He knew we’d be there with the pitchforks and the hurleys……..

Bang on Kevin with you post . Good stuff. Devs policy off neutrality was to say the least bias to Britain , they interned the German s who crashed or where on recon here, yet sent any British men home,

I’m sure there were plans to invade just about everywhere, it doesn’t mean they were all going to be carried out. If Hitler had invaded it would have been for strategic leverage over the UK/US, not because they had any major plans for Ireland.

Churchill also wanted to use Irish ports and promised to give NI back to the republic, but he was found out to be lying and deceiving Dev. Neutrality doesnt exist for Ireland. We are indirectly involved in 2 major wars at present.

Hence the reason they werent invaded.

@stephen i know that.the germans were also funded from bankers in new york.the same big bankers that fund both sides of wars.sure werent a lot of nazis allowed to flee to south america after the war courtesy of swiss passports.

And ro think that De Valera was sending condolences to the nazis

yes because dev was anti british.there were secret taks between the irish & germans at the time to allow the use of irish ports to attack the british.

I dont think they stopped the gerrys in their tracks out of love for the paddys. Britain cared about number 1 only, themselves.

@Graham dunno about that, there are ruins of watch out posts on the north west and west coasts from where Irish authorities reported German U boat movements to the British navy. We were officially neutral but at the same time gave assistance when we shouldn’t have

A weak/vulnerable Britain means a weak weak/vulnerable Ireland. It’s in our best interests that Britain stays a powerful, secure, and wealthy nation. But I wouldn’t go as far as greatest friend in terms of our history, but today they would be a great friend. (We all know how governments pick who are their friends though.)Valera was one of the worst leaders in Irish history and a sc*mbag; he made us a Catholic tribal state and screwed Catholics and Protestants over. He had this idea that having us ruled by the Roman Catholic Church and its tyrant was somehow a slap to Britain’s face? It only slapped Irish-Catholics with misery, torture, pedophiles, and religious extremists. A number of IRA members supported Nazism while Irish Jews served in the IRA. The Irish and IRA members who fought against Nazi Germany and for Irish Independence are the real hero’s. The Irish that served in World War II against Germany were treated very badly when they arrived back home. Sending condolences to Germany and sending a ship full of Jewish refugees back to Germany is sick/evil. Of all people, the Irish should be the last to support Nazis; the English put the Irish as a race below them based off so-called “genetics”. This anyway is total bullshit since the majority of English people are not Anglo-Saxon by race; don’t mean to upset any English person with a superiority complex. But Hitler’s brother was married to an Irish woman (had children) and he worked at the Shelburne Hotel – Dublin. So I don’t think he had any plans on exterminating Irish people; Ireland is just a good place for an invader to launch an invasion on Britain. Part of why they Britain kept us is because of the fear of the French and Spanish using Ireland to invade Britain.

http://markhumphrys.com/sfira.tyranny.html – Very interesting, disturbing, and shameful.

Britain of the 17th and 18th century crushed countries, subjugated their people’s and cultures and repatriated resources on a massive scale back to the motherland. let’s not forget that over 1 million people in this country died under Britain’s “protection” while we continued to feed the empire – not dissimilar to the way Germany treated the Poles. So yes Britain deserves huge credit for their stand in 1940 but their own world isn’t exactly blameless, indeed if you read much on ww2 you’ll see Hitler was a fan of the empire and wanted to create something similar in the East.

Graham, no the allies wanted to use our ports and dev said no.

Great post there Kevin Niazi.
Ironic name too!

@john yeah despite us being neutral there was elements who supported the british & passed info on to them.it was kind of a split.

Lol thanks, Jim; but it isn’t actually ironic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews

@declan yeah so.what has that got to do with my original comment?

Kevin, its in ‘our’ interests? Last I heard you live in the US. I dont think it concerns you.

Froh, dass die Alliierten gewannen diese Sprache ist sonderbar!

Sorry Tommy that by your standards I’m not part of the “tribe” or “really” Irish. I am born in Dublin and my mother is 100% Irish and from Kilkenny. I’m a Fennelly, Ryan and Phelan; those are Irish last names not Native American last names. You can F off with your “what concerns” certain people. I can never be President of the USA, only Ireland. So WTF would I be? Care to share your surname other than “C”?

Graham, you said that there were secret talks between the Irish and Germans for the Germans to use Irish ports to attack England. I never heard that so I dont think it’s true. What is true is that the allies wanted to use Irish ports.

No doubt there would have been countless anti-Brits down to the docks to welcome the SS with tea and sambos.

@ graham.. yeah thats why downed german pilots were detained and british pilots were let walk across the border.. Oh and its fairly well known that irish diplomats were slipping the allies information..

What comes across magnificently in discussions about WWII is the gross ignorance of the Irish. How did they ever get through school?

Most countries have invasion plans of other countries and contingency plans in the event of they being invaded. To think otherwise is not to think at all. The very word strategy is of military origin which demonstrates that planning is a military imperative. Believing that the military do not plan is like believing in Fairytales.

Astonishingly we see before us here much evidence that belief in Fairytales is still strong in Ireland.

Rodrigo, the Germans were just a wee bit late . Now , they run the country

Kevin you don’t have to explain yourself to Tommy, he said the same thing to me, what does he know. Ignore it.

This is either very eloquent sarcasm or the most stupid, ignorant thing I’ve read in a long time. While rebels were fighting in 1916 for the liberty of the modern day weak minded west brits (with weaons from Germany) our gallant British allies were using us as cannon fodder in the somme, to fight an enemy who never threatened Ireland or the Irish on behalf of the most evil, ruthless and oppressive Empire the world had known.

@Toorkeel: “I suspect most of our parents/grandparents would not have survived” and what exactly makes you suspect that? The Germans didn’t even come close to wiping out the majority of any country’s population.

Don’t get me wrong: an invasion of Ireland would have been pretty awful, but unless they treated Ireland completely differently from almost every other country they invaded, most of our parents/grandparents would have survived.

It’s actually embarrassing.

Embarrassing and foolish,
hats off to the Irish who fought for the Allies.

Amen Martin! We must never forget them. Disgraceful how they were castigated out of society for so long. Hats off to Mary McAlleese and Kevin Myers for their endeavours to ensure these men got the recognition they deserved

Heroes.

Fight between good and evil? That’s cute.

Ah bullsh*t. It was a fight between Evil and Evil. We’ve given up enough cannon fodder to the Empire.

The truth is that the British Empire lost the war. The US took WW II as an opportunity to destroy the trade barriers that kept the Empire strong. Of course, you lot seem to be clueless about that. Too much British media? They do seem to be rather obsessed with past glories and the nazis in particular.

Do you know what is a joke, making a WW out to be a clear-cut “fight between good and evil”!

The allies were the good-guys and fulfilled but acts of kindness, no pillaging, rape, murder or other acts of inhumanity. Just as the “Allies” in Iraq, Iran, etc. are all “good”!

Your oversimplification of cruel reality is a tad misguided!

“The fight for good and evil”??

Most of them signed up for the better pay. Ireland’s neutrality was perfectly justified given that we had very little to contribute to the war and everything to loose.

Jim Walsh, it is rare (on this site or others) to come across a person such as you that has taken time to study history rather than use assumptions to fill in gaps where no obvious learning has taken place. Good on you.

Well said!

Thanks Blathín but most of what I know is from stuff that I have read about over the year because I have an interest in history. The bits and pieces I didn’t (such as Ireland and the Marshall Plan) I looked up online. There’s tons of stuff out there if you want to find it. I just get annoyed at people who post “facts” without even bothering to check the veractiy of them.

Dev wasn’t alone in signing a condolences book for AH. Portugal did, and other nations.

quite correct , Declan, addition the allies fought the Germans for a variety of self-interested reasons which were not particularly idealistic. for example British cabinet records show that Churchill’s main concern was preserving the British empire.he even contemplated poisoning the German water supply. so much for the idea that this was a straightforward struggle between good and evil.bear in mind that Stalin, an even greater mass murderer than hitler was also one of the allies.

What Germany could NOT do with guns they are doing now with the Euro.

FG blueshirts pictures giving the Nazi saute on a pis i seen on twitter link the last day was hillarious.

Probably good idea to turn away the Jewish refugees . They did wreck Germany after all and caused the war !

Brendan, I would not go as far as saying that. Britain did risk losing India- the jewel in the empire. the second world war was a fight for survival. Germany held all or nearly all of continental Europe and japanese controlled half of the pacific and a good chunk of Asia. Britain did stand alone. America being a huge landmass was less vulnerable but still had the Japanese on one side while German U-Boats were on the east coast and threatened shipping across the Atlantic. Churchill, Roosevelt and later Truman did not trust Stalin but put up with him in order to defeat nazi Germany.

Mcnamees, despicable comment you made about the Jews. Have you not learnt anything from the history of ww2?

McNamees – you hit the nail right on the head there but you’d better not say that or the thought police wil be around at your door before you know it

they done there homework lol…

*their*

How did Germany provide the bank balance?
€30 billion of bailout funds came from Irelands central bank (to be repaid by Irish taxpayer).

The Irish people are actually bailing out German investors

Talking Eileen’s sloppy seconds. Xenophobia and unoriginal. Good show!

Back then Palmerstown was in county Dublin and was probably classified as the countryside by the then city folk.

As far as I remember it was, but it’s important to put it in context: There was also a plan to fight the invasion of france in more or less the same way as WW1. Just because there was a plan didn’t mean that it was actually likely to be executed.

Churchill didn’t give. a. damn about Irish neutrality and planned an invasion.the American presence in Derry made that unnecessary.the suggestion that the war was an anti-nazi crusade that we should have joined is unhistorical and naive in the extreme.

I watch a program a couple of years back about England’s and US joint plans to invade Ireland in the event Ireland assisted the Germans or was invaded. it also showed that our Irish army took up defensive positions close to the border with NI as the threat was perceived very real.

Dev. was between a rock and a hard and Ireland had no friends during WW2

Absolute rubbish.

Britain didnt become a nuclear power until the 1950s, so it would have been too late to use nuclear bombs on us because the Germans would have gotten it first if it wasnt for the USA

Nuclear bombing of Ireland! lol good one D’ Sword.

@ Jason the ministry of defence records are there for all to see. It’s shocking but true. @ David, regardless of Britain not having nuclear power before the fifties, remember Hiroshima and Nagasaki during the forties?. The technology was there and was proven.

@David: True, but I’m pretty sure the US would have asked the UK first before carrying out any nuclear strikes on Ireland. That could be the “sanction” he’s talking about.

Alot of their plans were named after colours. Poland was “Operation White,” France was “Operation Yellow” etc.

Germans = Nazis. Irish = drunken violent terrorist spongers. Is that about the size of it in your world-view? It’s all about the equal opportunity small-mindedness.

German people sound . Nazi regime evil .No need for Luftwaffe when you have a Euro.

If German people are sound why imply that they are run by neo-Nazis? You are aware that Ireland’s social welfare is being paid by The German pension fund. Backtrack backtrack backtrack

You are aware that German Banks lent recklessly to Irish banks You are aware that Irish taxpayers are paying debt to German banks that is’nt theirs maybe if we weren’t paying German Bankers gambling failures then Germans wouldn’t be supporting our social welfare system.So your paying im paying and Fraur Merkel nods the head to Rothschild Warburg Morgan-Chase Goldman Sachs.Who funded Hitler when Germany was impoverished after WW1 give yourself a break.Slan.

So you blame German bankers but when you name companies they’re all US-based? Face it, you said something insulting and moronic, and you’ve unsuccessfully tried to backpedal. Do the decent thing and save face, or slick away.

I think you will find there’s a strong connection to Germany with the above mentioned Rothschild Warburg dynastys .I’ll let the Irish being Drunkards terrorists Spongers slide cos i already knew you were a class of a Moron already so i wont break your Rhine’y Hiney about it.Slan Amadan..

Jaysis Jack, maybe if the Germans DID invade, your spelling and punctuation would be better.

Ever notice how people who are quick to invoke a comparison with Nazis tend to have a lot in common with that now-defunct group of nasty, twisted individuals? Thanks for strengthening my point. Your comment above shows up up as a xenophobic peice of filth. Any choice opinions on the Jewish people? In the companies you named you’re a half a step from declaring the Frand Conspiracy of the Elders of Zion. Zog believer, are you? I’m Irish, by the Way, your presumption that I’m German is entirely wrong. U just don

Ever notice how people who are quick to invoke a comparison with Nazis tend to have a lot in common with that now-defunct group of nasty, twisted individuals? Thanks for strengthening my point. Your comment above shows up up as a xenophobic peice of filth. Any choice opinions on the Jewish people? In the companies you named you’re a half a step from the Grand Conspiracy of the Elders of Zion. Zog believer, are you? I’m Irish, by the Way, your presumption that I’m German is entirely wrong. I just don’t Luke bigottes c*nts, irrespective of Nationalität.

Your about as Irish a Frankfurter..maybe your Eamon Gilmore. Did i spell Frankfurther right Tommy C .Hold on i actually dont give a be jaysus.Dont worry boyos ye’l be soon outnumbered real Irishmen will defend their patch always have always will.

So in the history of the world according to Jack Daniels (a vile American drink btw) the Nazis apparently managed to take over the USA! Good God!

A vile American drink haha lock me up .See that bubble you live in burst it.Do yourself a favour and just check out who owns the FED in the U.S or do you still think the American government owns it still .They do what their told to keep their country running.Censored is the right name for you .

Again: Germans = Nazis. Irish = drunken violent terrorist spongers. Is that about the size of it in your world-view? It’s all about the equal opportunity small-mindedness.

Nothing to do with the general public? Tell that to the 6 million Jews that were murdered.

@Manonthestreet: His point was clearly that the war was fought without the consent of much of the general public, not that the general public were un-affected.

And another. Wait a Minute, is this Diarmuid “insulting people online is never justified”. Racist and hypocritical, you must be proud!

From Poll: Have you experienced bullying on a social network?

..”in no alternate reality, cyber space or physical interaction is it ok or should it be deemed so to call someone names with the sole intention of denigrating them.” – Diarmuid Twomey

I think almost 90 million German citizens will want to call you on this, pal.

http://www.thejournal.ie/poll-bullying-social-networks-608901-Sep2012/

More unsubtle bigoted insinuations from Lady Gabb-on. Business as usual, then.

Paid your household tax yet, Eileen?!

And indeed Kevin is spot on about Dev, worst by a long shot . It’s amazin how he is held in such high regard .

Best achievement my ar€e he should have waded in with the Allies and at the very least give Britain the ports. We also missed out on the benefits of the Marshall plan.

Maybe if you had to land on Normandy with bullets flying over your head you might think differently.I think alot of Irish lives were lost in WW2.

All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing! d
Dev did just that, nothing. The man was a disgrace much like his party. Martin you are dead right about the Marshall Aid. Let’s not for get the Soviets vetoed our membership of the UN etc for quite some time over our failure to act in WW2

Dev was a disgrace but im glad he didn’t send my grandfather off to die.

Unfortunately previous comments fail to appreciate that 1. the extent of German attrocities were largely unknown in the early years of the War and 2. The “Ally” Stalin was arguably more of a tyrant than Hitler. I for one am glad that Ireland avoided involvement.

Their all the same KerryMan thats why they rise to power in the first place .Warhogs that make money for someone somewhere have a look and see who funds these wars.

The Marshall Plan built Ballymun.

The Marshall Plan built Ballymun. Fact.

Probably too late to contribute to this but Ireland actually received around $150million from the Marshall plan between 1948 and 1951 which was a vast amount of money back then.

I’m not weighing in on the DeValera debate but just pointing out that we did not miss out of the Marshall plan because we were neutral in WW2. This is one of those urban myths which has grown up over the years and is now repeated as fact.

“All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing!”

I agree. Dev should clearly have comitted the army’s three cows and one tractor to the struggle. Thousands of Irish dying in the resulting retaliatory bombing raids and shipping losses would have been worth it no?

Back in reality, the army was in no shape to make any meaningful contribution to anything but our own defence and staying out of it was the sensible, if unpoetic, thing to do.

Stephen I agree!

And again: Germans = Nazis. Irish = drunken violent terrorist spongers. Is that about the size of it in your world-view? It’s all about the equal opportunity small-mindedness.

Z’s dead baby, Z’s dead

Yep. Died, went to heaven, met God, got thrown out, went to Hell, met the Devil, got thrown out, woke up back here with an odd haircut. Read the comic.

I thought it was The Shelbourne, his half-brother Alois as far as I’m aware…

Operation Sealion was the plan to invade Britain.
Operation Green was the plan to invade Ireland. Robert Fisk gave a good detailed account in his book In Time of War: Ireland, Ulster and the Price of Neutrality

From the German military perspective, if Britain had been successfully invaded then Ireland would have to be invaded also in order to prevent the Americans from using the country as a bridgehead to attack Nazi occupied Europe. Thus such plans were not for political/cultural/snobbish reasons or to gain access to natural resources but are the result of sound military planning.

Are people naive enough to think that the British had not planned for an invasion Ireland also at this time or that such plans do not currently exist?

Excellent point Blathin !