They need a 50% cut.

Good luck with the exam

Good luck Ali!

Good luck!

Best of luck! :)

thank u all very much!!!

Hello Ali

exam went well .. thanks again..:)
@ cholly .. em helloo

Karolyn, you wouldn’t get that wage in your local supermarket. The wage that is being offered is the same as that of other graduate programmes.

The HSE cannot continue to employ agency staff when there are graduates in this country that are not gaining experience and as a result losing their skills

do you know many unemployed nurses David??

David, if the HSE employed all nurses directly they would save an automatic 25% on the cost of employment.
If the HSE discarded some of the paper pushing box ticking exercises they could save a whole lot more.
There are ways of saving money, reducing a nurses’ income is not the right way to go about it.

How is it reducing a nurses income when said nurse doesn’t necessarily have an income?

How many nurses do you know on Social Welfare Pete?

David – some of these agency nurses are graduates who given a lack of jobs only have the option of working agency. One of them incidentally (a friend of mine) has not had her agency work on a cancer ward renewed. Although she has over a years experience working on this ward the only way she could get back there is to apply at this lower salary rate.

Its a disgrace on this and so many other levels. I hope the nurses hold strong and get better than this.

@James Connolly & Karolyn Cassidy I dont know how ye fit commenting on EVERY article on the journal in regards to PS pay and Nursing when you are so ran off your feet at work. Mystery….

Aoife, I’ve already worked 36hrs this week. I’ve another 36hrs tomorrow. (Yes, tomorrow).
Good day to you. :-).

36 Hours in one day? Wow.

Indeed! Friday AM -> Saturday PM. :-).

Actually David… You would get that starting wage in Aldi / Lidl. Dunnes even.

@aoife_quinn, I’m not a nurse, what u on about?

You’re an idiot. Use your brain…

That was for Aoife Quinn by the way…

Actually you can get that amount in your local supermarket – Aldi checkout staff get €11.6o/hr and under the proposed 80% nurses would get €10.54/hr. and I think there might be less stress in Aldi and certainly no risk of ending up before fitness to practice committees! Not that I’d swop my PHN job which I love but I do stand in solidarity with the new grads and support the INMO boycott. HSE defending the indefensible on Morning Ireland today and refusing to say how many exactly applied!

It time to separate the unions and get back to proper unions who have the best interest of the coal face workers at heart. A proper union cannot represent these workers properly and also have middle management members to represent as well. Complete conflict of interests as far as I can see.

Shocking, what I don’t understand either is that there has been no clarification as to what happens after the 2 year contract? The HSE hasn’t said that they will be made permanent and rise on a payscale. Absolutely nothing to go on. Who on earth is being paid to come up with this sort of ridiculousness?

Pierce do u know if pension would also come out of that salary? As in the public sector pension?

Karolyn, superanuation contributions are at 6.5% of pensionable pay. So you about 4% off your take home due to pension contributions being tax free, This make it

Per week €350
Per month €1519

Also you can pay your union dues through salary, so minus that as well.

There is also a charge to be a nurse, it’s about €80, payable to the nursing board.

Those figures are just estimates but should be pretty close

I think you’ll find that nurses pay the pension levy and tha’s a fair chunk of change.

We pay €88 a year for our registration and those that qualified this summer paid it in sept/oct and will be paying it again this month. Union subs work out at 10.50 a forthnight for siptu that’s cheaper than INMO we pay prd, USC prsi and tax. We are taxed on a higher level for weekend and night shifts.

I completely agree that it’s wrong to pay graduate nurses less than incumbent nurses, but I also think its wrong of the nursing unions to inflict all this pressure on graduates, by advising them not to apply for the new jobs. In my opinion, this is no more than a token gesture that hurts no one but the graduates. So much for union solidarity. Isn’t a union supposed to represent all of its members equally? If incumbent nurses really cared about their future colleagues, they’d be using far more forceful measures as a way of applying pressure on the HSE. The poor graduates are in a no win situation, and have basically been hung out to dry by Liam Doran and co.

The IMO is a completely different organisation it deals with doctors not nurses

oh, well then, let’s not ask where the INMO’s 20 to 30 million a year income goes. You’re right, heads back in the sand.

Oh no they majority of that goes to Liam and his cronies no problem admitting that’s the reason I left the INMO

I don’t know if I would put nurses and teachers on the same scale – yes teachers do a good job but we’re talking pay cuts to people who spend most of their day up to their arms in other peoples shi*t and blood and numerous other disgusting things, as well as trying to console ill people, deal with people they’ve gotten to know dying as well as having to try lift people. I just feel that as a job its out there on its own in terms of what they have to do and this should be reflected in their pay. I’m not a nurse btw – I wouldn’t have the stomach to do it but my sister is and the stories I hear from her are awful.

I agree CABK, nurses and carers have to deal with a lot, stuff that most people can’t handle
I’m just disgusted at the areas in which cuts are being made in general. It’s so frustrating and sickening

Colin ,nurses would not do as you suggest, the ones I know understood that it was an individual decision and encouraged these nurses to do what was best for them

Shay I’d like to think you are right but what newly qualified nurse is going to take that chance at the outset of their career? Many individual nurses may understand but union flag-wavers aren’t exactly known for being sympathetic to individuals going against the herd! I’m sure nurses are no different.

Shay is right Colin, we are all aware that some graduates due to personal circumstances will have to take the jobs and those will not be treated any differently from any other nurse/midwife. Plus they aren’t paying union subs yet so they are not going against any union.

Judging from the low take up it would seem most nursing graduates agree with the INMO’s claims. Seeing as the HSE has also opened this up to those who qualified in 2010/11 it is beginning to look like the HSE is looking for cheap yellow pack labour.

Why not take €5k a year off everyone else in the HSE, starting at the top salary and working down and reallocate this to the Nurses until we hit 1000.
So the director etc and the hospital directors, those that don’t actually contribute to patient care would be the ones to feel a very modest hit.

The HSE wage bill is neutral, the nurses get the same starting wage as before (I may be a few€ out but you get the idea) and the burden is much fairer. In fact the wage bill will be lower as there is no agency fee?

I bet that won’t happen though, we’ll either get the L’Oreal defence (because I’m worth it) or the contracts cannot be changed. Well apologies but 1. No you are not & 2. Can the minister not invoke FEMPI or equivalent and say tough!

Hmmmmmmmm

Jeez lads, do ye actually know what nurses have to do on a daily basis? Ye wouldn’t be saying that if yer lives depended on it… I’ve seen them first hand and I don’t think they get paid enough for the sh*** they have to deal with. (I am not a nurse, my background is in law)

I do. It was only meant as a suggestion as to where the wages should be spent instead of where they actually are at the minute.

If you cut my salary by €5000 as you suggest I would effectively have zero spare cash once my bills mortgage and food were paid for. How about we cut your salary by the same amount. Nurses and midwives in employment are not the problem we have taken cuts like everyone else the problem is with other areas of the HSE why do you think frontline staff take early retirement and other incentives and admin don’t??

You aren’t reading correctly. I said cut those starting from the top of the HSE and give the cut from those earning the €100,000 etc salaries and give the money to those at the bottom!

Not to be pedantic but you actually said everyone.

You are Correct. Apologies. I didn’t mean that.

;)

No worries ☺

That was my initial reaction. If people were going to apply for these jobs they’d have done so regardless of what the INMO said. This “initiative” is just plain bad, and the cats on the street know it.

If the INMO has 90,000 nurses each paying the Union EUR306 a year, that EUR27,500,000 annual haul is quite impressive if this is the best they can do for their members.

They could pay EUR5,000 each as a top-up ‘welcome to the Union’ payment to the new recruits and still have EUR22,500,000 left over from their 2013 subs alone.

Firstly the INMO doesn’t have 90K members – there’s probably max 40K members and they don’t all pay €306 as students are free and retired and part-timers are less. Their accounts are published annually and available at ADC for all members. No big secret there. So your figures are way out but more importantly re. your point why should members’ subs be used to subsidise the HSE’s yellow pack scheme?
http://inmo.ie/membership_fees