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Opposition bemoans lack of progress on bank deal after Schauble visit

Fianna Fáil and Sinn Féin both criticise Noonan and Howlin for failing to extract public commitments from the German minister.

Wolfgang Schauble (left) speaks to reporters at Farmleigh after meeting with Michael Noonan and Brendan Howlin (out of picture).
Wolfgang Schauble (left) speaks to reporters at Farmleigh after meeting with Michael Noonan and Brendan Howlin (out of picture).
Image: Niall Carson/PA Wire

THE FINANCE SPOKESPERSONS for the two main opposition political parties have criticised the lack of any public commitments on dealing with Ireland’s banking debt burden, following today’s visit of the German finance minister to Dublin.

Both Fianna Fáil’s Michael McGrath and Pearse Doherty of Sinn Féin said Schauble had not given any public commitment to improving Ireland’s position – which they said acted as a blow to Ireland’s hopes of finding help in meeting its banking costs.

McGrath said the deal of June 29, when EU leaders agreed to split banking debt and sovereign debt as a means of encouraging investors to lend to national governments, now appeared to be “slipping further and further into the distance”.

Though Schauble told reporters he was “very impressed” with the progress Ireland had made under its bailout programme, and said he was “100 per cent” assured that Ireland would not need a second bailout, he declined to comment on Ireland’s campaigns to share its banking burden, and to restructure the Anglo promissory notes.

McGrath said it was ‘ominous’ that Schauble had echoed comments of Mario Draghi, the president of the ECB, who said the establishment of a single EU banking supervisor – which is accepted as a pre-requisite before the ESM bailout fund can invest in banks – may not be final until 2014.

We can only assume that Ministers Noonan and Howlin asked Mr Schauble if he still holds the view [...] that the ESM could not be used to deal legacy debt.

Certainly in his public comments today, Mr Schauble did not in any way unwind those comments. Following today’s meeting, we are none the wiser as to what Ireland’s ‘special case’ status will mean when it comes to securing a deal on bank debt.

Doherty said the failure to extract a public commitment from Schauble suggested that a deal for Ireland “has been parked until the second half of 2013″ and could yet fall victim to German domestic politics.

The government of which Schauble and Angela Merkel are ministers will see its mandate expire in September 2013 – and it has been suggested that their chance of re-election could be damaged if Germans believe they could be forced to cover the costs of bailing out Irish and Spanish banks.

“The German finance minister was asked on a number of occasions to state whether he believed a deal on the legacy debt was possible or desirable. On each occasion he declined to comment,” Doherty said.

“Nothing said at today’s press conference contradicts the clear statement against ESM funds being used to retrospectively recapitalise banks by Angela Merkel on Friday 19 October.”

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Comments (49 Comments)

  • Oh lord.. I have never heard such pure & utter crap !!!.
    Just tell medo you claim expenses for the double velvet tissue for wiping your mouths.
    The dogs on the street know there will be no deals for Ireland .
    The electorate were told a pack of lies from the start.
    This shower only got in power because of the incompetence of the las shower.
    ( let the red thumb brigade begin)

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  • I find it incredible that anyone from FF should complain about the lack of progress on the bank debt… seriously, they need to look at their reflection in the mirror. The FF destroyed this country, and now they are bitching about the lack of progress being made to recover their mess …. Totally incredible!

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  • Lets be honest- who created the problem?????? The answer is clear- Fianna Fáil- Bertie Ahern and his whole team- It is an indictment on Fianna Fáil – yet they complain about lack of progress- when Bertie was advised to change his course- he said that all economists should get lost!!!!!!_ they did not know what they were talking about!!!!!!!!
    Michael Martin and his team should address the real issues and be honest- they – FF made a mess of our country- yet they draw big pensions- even when they are not retired- total dishonesty!!! Shame on you all in FF. Will they hand back their pension.??? Brian Cowen is 53 years of age- why is he drawing a pension at 52 years old. Retirement age is 65 years old,,, Dermot O Reilly

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  • But this is the man that our government only 2 wks ago told us that opinion doesn’t matter…

    What he could be saying is you’ve done such a good job I think you can carry the weight of the the debt if they extend the payment period..

    I note he said “ease the burden” and not “lift the burden” and that’s the most important thing here..

    We are getting screwed slowly.

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  • Ill put money on FF being part if the next government. The feckless Irish have Stockholm syndrome when it comes to FF.

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  • is that the noise of a can being kicked down the road again

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  • McGrath speaks of the deal made on the 29th June “slipping … Into the distance”. No deal was made between the German finance minister and the Irish government on 29th June. No deal was made by any Euro-group and the Irish government on 29th June. McGrath appealing to voters who see fact as irrelevant by presenting an argument in which fact is irrelevant. As a result, his popularity will increase on this website.

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    • Una Dev 29/10/12 #

      The July 9th position should be the centerpiece of discussion – otherwise we will still have to pay the €30 billion promissory note to bondholders.

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    • I listened to the press conference today after the finance ministers meeting, they spoke for several minutes and said nothing: its all bollocks as usual! which means that ordinary joe is sinking below waterlevel and the whitecollar boys and girls have all the lifeboats!

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  • Michael McGrath cannot be talking – it was his party which bankrupted Ireland.

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    • Una. What you’re saying is correct, but he makes a fair point about the lack of progress. We were told in June by the dear leader himself, that the bank debt would be sorted out in October. “Seismic shifts” and all that. All we’ve heard since October actually arrived is a load of fairy tales. Today has to be the final straw. Anywhere from late 2013 to mid 2014 is the latest time frame for a “possible deal”.FFS Kenny told us in June that the deal had virtually been done. The man is a big sap with no credibility as a politician. He along with the clowns he calls cabinet ministers have to be removed immediately, otherwise it will be too late.

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  • No Deal was done, It was a lie to get the referendum through. They lied to get into power, lied up to now and will continue to lie! We are landed with paying back the debts of private institutions, be it for 10/20 or 30 years and that’s the con we’ll be sold! FG/labour knew what was in the books before the election and they are using FF policies to get the Country out of FF mess. Because they haven’t a clue, no Balls and worse than Conmen!

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    • More empty Rhetoric from you there. Do you never run out?

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    • I hate to break it to you but the Fiscal Compact referendum was held before the summit meeting at which the communique was issued so can n’t where you are going with that one.

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    • That’s a truly excellent point, Sean.

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    • Mick 29/10/12 #

      More spoofing from the “factual” Stephen

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    • Did they not promise that a Bank Debt Deal, would be the result of passing the Fiscal compact Referendum?

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    • It’s ok, Stephen. You were probably working in the Big Top that day. Climbing into a mini with 20 of your colleagues.

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    • Stephen the truth hurts history will view this goverment as a major diisapointment to its people.

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    • #Dermot…the very fact that you’re willing to declare this Governments place in history after 18 months and with so many balls in the air suggests 1). There was never any chance if objectivity with you with makes your analysis redundant and 2). That you actually WANT this Government to Fáil. That just makes you a bad Irishman. This country cannot afford for this Government to Fáil.

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    • Stephen
      Once the Referendum on stability was passed , the government didn’t care how it was done .
      Kenny is a liar . He has continued what FF started . There are no deals. No contingency plans. It
      is time for people to wake up and see how dangerous this government is and how much they do not have our interests at heart.

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    • dolan this goverment is failing itself also i suspect you are a member of one of the parties that are in goverment being the case that puts every you say as spin the people of this country are fed up with the goverment pissing down our backs and telling us that it is raining ,people if we want a just and fair society we will not get it from this lot ,they lied to get in to power and they are still lying .

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    • #Purcell. Yawn. Decisions are made by those who turn up. You’re just one of those people who stand on the peripheries and sling mud. I’m on the side of those who get into the fight and try to effect a real improvement in people’s lives. You’re lucky because you’ll never be proven wrong. You’ll just pontificate from the galleries. The Governments there to be shot at- despite the chaos they inherited. And it’s easily done. You can espouse populist easy fix policies that will never be tested or found out. They’ll stand or fall by what happens over the next two years. Either way, though you’ll still be griping away. There’s little doubt you’ll actually be disappointed if the country turns the corner under their stewardship. If that’s from where you derive a sense of achievement, good luck to you. Others aspire to more.

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  • This will talk of a deal will rumble on , until we have paid back all that unsecured money.

    The ECB love us because we are a land of zombies who take it hard without lube and never ever protest or complain.

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  • I think all credibility to this waffle was lost after 85 different versions of NO PADDY was said over a nearly 5 yr period .

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  • The crooks in government is going to keep telling us “There will be deal” till the December budget is over and its voted on and passed by our two two-faced. liars and money lining pockets still TD’s in power..
    …Then finally the truth will eventually be out!

    We have been told already by Germany that there will be NO DEAL!

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  • The German invasion of Ireland is going swimmingly don’t you think? Not one word raised in anger. You got to hand it to them in terms of efficiency. Guess its time to forget all this Irish identity nonsense and swear allegience to mother Deutschland. Guten Abend alle

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  • It is amazing how so many underestimate the challenge lying ahead. The important thing is that a deal gets done. Before or after a German election or our budget doesn’t matter. This debt will hang over us for a generation. If the politics of the thing and getting a better deal requires letting the Germans wait so that its more palatable with the electorate their end, so be it. So many on here are so determined that there be a quick fix….

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    • First sentence I agree. Second sentence I agree. Thereafter, basically what you are saying is that our future depends on the political landscape of a foreign country. If Kenny and Gilmore had an ounce of patriotism between them they would make it perfectly clear that the future of the Euro is in our hands. Help us out by freeing our people from she shackles of the financial institutions, or we bring the whole Euro project to an abrupt end. It’s as simple as that!

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    • I don’t think we have that sort of leverage, Noddy? I mean if Spain & Greece can’t wield that threat, what chance has Ireland?

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  • Note that, for all the wonderfully passionate rhetoric about how bad a job the current government is doing, nobody in opposition has set out any form of constructive solution – they belittle and condemn without giving any indication as to what they might do differently.
    We’re existing in a political system where the two dominant parties are more or less identical, and the satellite parties are either too radical and populist to be in any way capable of making effective policy decisions in the case of SF or willing to prostitute any semblance if principle in the pursuit of power in the case of Labour.
    The Irish political landscape is in a crisis which borders on the farcical, with no viable opposition party and an electorate so dogmatic in its parochial politics that a party whose leadership has been condemned as corrupt by successive tribunals is back to second in the polls as of last week.
    Without radical and fundamental reform of Irish politics, how can we be expected to form any sort of constructive relationship with Europe and fix the mess left for us by decades of capitalism?
    More at http://www.perspectivesbyjack.com/

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    • 100% correct. I’ve been saying basically the same for years. We pretend that we are a proper democracy, but this can’t be true when we only have one choice as to what policies we want our governments to pursue.

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