Don’t be disheartened. There is well over a million of us unregistered. Glass is 2/3 full not 1/3 empty.

Don’t be disheartened. I’d say a lot of those sacks contain “Feck the Charge Spoilt Registrations”! Remember together we can beat this. We cannot allow ourselves to be bullied.

Stand by those who cannot afford to pay this charge. Remember the CSO Reports yesterday.
The top 10% in Ireland had an 8% increase in disposable income!
The bottom 10% had a decrease of 25%!
Its not bloody fair. We are being fleeced to pay bankers and speculators and gamblers. We need to stick together. Pleeeeeeeeease!

The fine is only €10 for first 6 months. Only €45 after a year. They have to bring you to court to levy this fine.

Please attend the protest march this Saturday. Garden of Remembrance at 1pm marching to Convention Centre. Please bring as many as you can. See ye there. :D

Because to say it the other way doesnt make for good propaganda!

Dead on. They’re using every trick in the book to bully and harass people. And they’re still failing miserably..

Probably because yesterday’s version of the article was called “over 1 million have not paid household tax”. The journal is just attempting to balance their reports. They could have easily have called the article “61% of those liable say they will pay the household charge”. I can understand the conspiracy theorists saying that the government is making up the figures. But for people to be implying that Red C polling or the Journal.ie are involved in some kind of propaganda machine in conjunction with the government is ludicrous.

Well said. Don’t pay, Don’t Register.

http://redcresearch.ie/news/39-of-those-liable-will-not-pay-household-charge

That would be the same red C pollsters that told us that Sean Gallagher would win the presidency wasn’t it?

And they were correct at the time of the poll. Polls do not predict the future they can only give a probability about the public’s opinion at an instant in time. If the presidential election was a week earlier, then Gallagher would have probably won.

The charge is a first step Matt. It’s aim is to establish the register. It will eventually be split into water consumption utility charge and value based property charge.

So you reckon 30cents a day is all you owe a whole fire station to be on standby, maintain equipment, and be ready to run into your burning building to rescue you and yours? You have a funny idea of fair.

@ Eoin, it’s hardly down to one persons contribution to pay for an entire fire brigade. Also, fire brigade charges are generally paid by insurers, so your comment is pointless!

C’mon Eoin, that comment is ridiculous and you know it. Are we not already paying for a fire service through our taxes, USC, prsi,VAT, DIRT,BIK, to name but a few of the means by which the revenue collect monies. I doubt the €100 is even going to fund local services. Cop on to yourself for god sake.

Sure you have but the Firw Brigade are paid from county council which is funded by central government which collects taxes every week from all our incomes so already you paid twice and they want you to pay more with this HHC

Jail isn’t the problem. A court conviction and charge against your home is.

Sean Beag
Not a problem for me , now you really should take up another pass time rather than trying to scare the good people of this nation , Big Phil is calling you !

Oh someone disagrees with you Susie, they must be in Fine Gael. Grow up. If you can’t address actual points and can only attack the poster then give up commenting.

ok sean, straight question,
are you a member of a political party?

No. i don’t like any of them.

If you must know Joe, I find the whole party political system to be an afront to democracy.

there we are sean,
we do have something in common after all

Sean beag and Joseph I am not a member of any political party either . Middle ground is always progress . Sean beag , I love my country and I love that I am Irish . How about you ? and Joseph ?

Susie,
I love my country, yes, or i wouldnt feel as
strongly about boycotting this household BS as i do.

Im also angry and frustrated with how we the people
have been scammed by the bankers and let down utterly the this
government and the last.

Its so fucking disgraceful that i still find it unbelievable at times
about how the average person has been treated.
Yet we have complied??
NO MORE

My days of playing ball with ANY government who doesn’t
stand up for me/you/all of us are OVER

If you love your country – well then stand up for it. Dont cave in to the FG (Franco/German) coffers.

Yes I disagree with you and the foul propaganda you are spinning . .

A Charge against my house
My house is my house I paid for my house No-One gave it to me. Well I am not paying this €100 We are Tax Compliant we never objected to working and paying our taxes all our lives But this Hardworking home owner can take no more.Michael Noonan’s actions today really made up my mind NOT TO PAY THIS HHC I will fight like my brave forefathers for MY HOME
MY HOME MY HOME MY HOME

I’ll be paying the charge but i think that picture is the worst PR decision i’ve ever seen. He’s treating it like a victory that people are paying. It’s disgusting.

Funny :)

Thanks Niamh I read all the above comments some was interesting and others was funny but I couldnt add to the debate so I was thinking of telling this joke What did the barman say when he seen a tennis ball on the counter Answer Have you been served.

On the Coleman show on newstalk106 last night he announced they had past the half a million mark , only for his news announcer to say 5 mins later that it was nearly a hundred thousand less than he said. Terrible that FG can’t gets one of its propaganda outlets to stay on message.

The bullying seems to be pretty heavy on both sides. The level of aggression on the dont pay side is as bad as the level of deceit on the governments side.

@Sean Beag… Would you blame people for being pissed off?? Do you expect folks to just continue being good little boys and girls and shut up and put up so that the govt can continue to pull fast ones? There has been a tradition of being too civil in this country for too long, that’s why they have generally gotten away with this type of thing… It’s nice to see people speak up and stand for something now.

really, is as bad?
let me see,
has the no side threathened people with court…… NO
with fines………………NO
With a lean against ur gaff………..NO
Leafleted every gaff(well the G couldn’t pull that off)…..NO

So Sean B,
stop talkin poo-poo

While Im here,
DONT REGISTER DONT PAY
or ill send a team out to hunt you down
and kill yis, ya hear!! :-)

It’s pretty sad if you have to resort to insults to prove your point. There’s plenty of people that have been able to object strongly without doing that. And the ire is not just directed at the government. It’s directed at anyone who dares disagree with the don’t pay mentality. And these are the people that accuse the government of facism.

your insulted by my comment?

no sean, i think ur annoyed that ur comparison
is false.

Sean beag
I am part of the anti house hold tax campaign , I actively canvass , not once haved I or anyone with me been aggressive , BUT , I have had the most awfull insults directed at me and my family and friends, It is I am sure a feeling of annoyance on the part of the pay up and do as you are told brigade , that they have paid the €100 and given their personal details for the ‘lists’ the are trying to compile in Europe ,that has made them so cranky and nasty . We are still smiling and will continue to do so . Have a nice evening and don’t forget to iron all your lovely blue shirts for the Party at the week end . :)

No Joseph. I don’t bother addressing your comments too much.

And Susie, just read throught he comment threads on the journal and you can see the bile spit out by your side. Just read the comments above you.

Well Sean this protest is our picket line and you will find that there is always aggresion when people pass the picket – fortunately or unfortunately such is human nature. And this 100 euros is taking 100 euros worth of food off the table of every rish citizen. And I have no intentions of allowing anyone to take my dinner without putting up a fight!

now now sean,
you don’t have to hurt my feelings like that.
im a very sensitive soul.

but i don’t blame you for not responding to my posts,
its hard for you to respond when you get caught out
with your little porkie pies

keep spreading the BS sean,
but not to worry,ill keep an eye on ya :-)

Sean, there may be ‘bile spat’ but those comments that are that bad are in the minority. People being angry and speaking out with a strong opinion isn’t necessarily an ‘insult’ or ‘bile’ because it stands in contrast to your own opinion. Its fair argument. Learn the difference.

Sean Beag
I am middle aged and go out talking to my neighbours and friends and I meet other people and our campaign has spread by word of mouth. Not through un fair propaganda and a misuse of public media outlets…..

Anger is no excuse for insult. Maybe for a child it is. And a picket line? It’s a free country Ann. Who are you to attack me for obeying the law? You believe in democracy yet attack people who want to do their part for the country because they don’t do it your way? Try directing your anger at the people who brought us here.

Youre still not taking on board what we are saying. Anger expressed in an opinion isn’t always an insult so stop repeating that like a broken record. I don’t even know where to begin with your last comment Sean. I respect your right to an opinion but like try and use it wisely will ye?!

Sean Beag
It may be the law, but it is also our duty to protest against a bad law . Look at the suffragettes of 100 years ago .If they had not protested for the right of women to vote , women would not have the vote.
We all have to choose.

Father ted could’ve done an excellent episode about this

Theresa, people do not admit to things like conformity-to-the-law in Ireland. It is against or nature as a people to admit to such things. I suggest that some of the people you have been talking to (somewhere between a third and two thirds) have paid but they are not going to admit it to you. They know it is an unfair tax but have come to their own conclusion that they will pay it. They probably do not feel that they should tell anyone since they do not want to get into a confrontation or to have to justify why they have confirmed. I know I have only indicated to two people (in reality; not on the internet) that I have sent the 100 euro and I had convinced myself that they had probably paid before I did. Look at the comments on this site… just see how aggressive some people are….. why would someone put themselves up to such aggression in reality? I am sure you would not verbally attack someone who has paid or treat them differently afterwards, but there are plenty on this site who would react in such ways. Why would one of those who have paid open themselves up to such ridicule?

They will be laughing at you when you have €100 plus charges to pay

I believe the figures are lies yes

Well said Aldo.

Property tax is bull.
Implement it just cause other countries have it?
Would you jump off a cliff if others did?

This is not the way to solve our problems.
You cannot tax your way out of recession.
This tax will increase astronomically and you’ll all be complaining when it does.

The lack of intelligence displayed on the forum here today makes me think that there may be some truth in those figures. If so, it’s a sad day for our once great country.

@ Aiden,

Property tax is a sensible way of raising revenue that is stable and guaranteed. Remember one of the reasons why we’re in this mess is because a large chunk of our money came from taxes relating to purchases of houses and cars and other lavish spending items.

However, the way it is being handled now is a joke. Here in Holland property tax along with water charges is normal. But to show for it, the country has a top notch public transport network and the services are excellent. The government here will just take the sensibly earned property tax and use it to finance ridiculous things like the banking debt, instead of the high quality services Ireland deserves as a developed nation.

In that case if this tax is so reliable etc then lower other taxes to compensate.
We cannot tax our way out of this.
To think its possible is madness.
I’ve nothing left to give.
Same with many others.

I agree that taxing your way out of a recession is madness, I learned that in my basic introduction course to economics so I’m gobsmacked that politicians think its a great idea.

But the idea of property tax and water charges make sense IF they would go towards improving public services. The roads are a disgrace, except for the privately owned Luas public transport is unreliable, water mains are in an appalling condition and gas/electricity prices are through the roof. The property tax should be going to addressing these issues but it won’t. Instead people will pay up to a grand just to foot the bill for debt that isn’t even the states to begin with.

I’m just wondering since you have a very similar writing style to “youbetterpayup” are ye two prehaps related ?

No Norman I am not. I have not been rude or abusive I just asked a question and was wondering if anyone else thought the same. The reason I asked was, why should we pay the charge if the Gov ministers are going to be allowed to claim it back on expenses.

I’m sure they can take their families out for a nice meal and it would cover two or three household charges. Their expenses are unvouched, so we have no way of knowing what they do with them.

I did not imply you were rude but from the comments you have posted along with others of a similar writing style as yourself i believe you are TROLLING.Also the fact you hide behind a Twitter account to my mind confirms this.

@ Norman Hunter. Wow so you make a comment asking a normal question and you are considered a troll and as for hiding behind twitter a lot of people comment on here from twitter and facebook you can use one or the other. The only reason I came on here was to ask if anyone had thought the same or wondered if they could claim it back on expenses, because if they can claim it back then that makes this charge a redundant and unfair one . I am not saying people should or shouldn’t pay. That is an individual choice. But I would like to know if they are going to be able to claim it back as this would be completely unfair and go against everything they have said. That is all plain and simple

I won’t use you screen name because i don’t know which one it is, but if trolling is how you get your jollies well then off with ya.Just sad.

Because anyone who doesn’t agree with you must be trolling right Norman?

@ Norman Hunter. Wow and this is why I generally don’t join social networks and the likes. I asked a perfectly civil question but I guess I am a troll. Wow and as for not knowing which one I am well I am the one that has responded to you how difficult is that. I like anyone else understands that everyone has an opinion and that is fine but I really don’t think I have said anything out of line or something that would make you think I am a troll. It was a general question. But if you want to think that hey that is fine with me. Have a good night

@Sean no i’m happy to have someone disagree with my point of veiw but if you care to look at some of this posters comments and others of a similar style you’ll see why i stated what i did.

Fair play Brian.

No more fear … I will not pay . I will be at the march. I do not believe the government figures , they have lied and continue to lie . I do not trust theses Scheisters ……

Ill be there,
me, the war office and the kids

needs to be done

Sixty percent have not paid as yet. These stats have been pluck out of the air as guess work.

Ha Ha !! I’d say there’s a few of them there alright.

Stephen , Joe Higgins and mary Lou must be so thrilled to have bright and articulate supporters like yourself keep up the good work

Good on ye Pat – wont pay, dont pay, we’ll stand united all the way. Bring on Saturday

And the Red C poll is propaganda too?…. very unlikely!

Cough up and your town too could have a sky garden just like Cork.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/text/world/kfidcwsnidsn/

it is simply a PR photograph. no more than that. and its a bad sign if all they can come up with is a daft picture like this rather than a good reason for paying the charge

i imagine this policy took all of a minute to come up with. somebody had an ‘idea’: ‘lets charge everybody 100′. somebdoy else says ‘fine, good idea’

and thats what passes for policy in ireland in 2012

and thats why so many people are refusing to have anything to do with it

Absolutely

Here Here. Either “all” make a contribution or nothing. It’s not treating each citizen equally.

I concur! :)

@ Randy. I think you will find, that it is not necessarily a left, versus right argument in this case. My other half works with three people who live in council housing. Their other halves and themselves combined, earn on average between sixty and ninety grand a year gross. They pay a minuscule rent when compared to the private sector and do not have to pay this tax. I agree with you, that at least in these cases, they should have to pay also. Then contrast that example, with unemployed people trying to pay their mortgages and being told that they have to pay this tax. A ten year old child could come up with a fairer and more competent system of taxation,than these impostors. No offence to ten year olds intended!.

@ Dhakina’s Sword. Sorry, but you are mistaken about all people in local authority housing paying a miniscule rent. If the tenants are working, the main earner in the household pays approx. 15% of earnings in rent per week. Then I think it is about an extra 15 euro or so for each extra person living in household, counting children. These figures may be a little out of date, it may have gone up. Therefore, there are some working people living in local authority housing, who are paying roughly the same in rent, as people with a small or medium mortgage. There is no ceiling to the rent payment, as it is based on household income, and the number of people in household. I think they call it a differential rent payment system. On the other hand, those who are unemployed or pensioners pay a much smaller rent … maybe it is these people you are referring to?

Margeret, I take your points. I did not imply that all recipients of council housing were paying minuscule rental payments. Some, however do pay a fraction of the private rates. You seem to have taken from what I said that all council tenants pay a minuscule rent. My only point was that where both council tenants were earning well above the average industrial wage, then, how is it fair to ask unemployed people who are struggling to pay a mortgage, to pay this extra tax?.

That’s my gripe with it, Alan. Not everyone is contributing. It’s my view that everyone must make a contribution. That’s one reason why I choose not to pay. Aren’t we all suppose to be treated equally under the Constitution in a Republic ?

Lets just stand together on this one, rural and urban. Its unfair across the board. Don’t pay.

Are you honestly comparing a €100 household charge to Nazi Germany? Seriously? And they won’t have to take it from your cold dead hands. They’ll take it from your wages directly.

He is comparing the behaviour of the current dictatorship to it yes…

Given the chance the old Blueshirts wouldnt be much different from the lovely right wing thugs of the Nazi party..

Such a comparison is shameful Kevin and you know well why! Your comment is a disgrace.

The Truth really does hurt these Blueshirts

@Sean just to clarify something for you, they cannot take it from anyones income until they get an attachment order from a judge in a court of law.1million plus not paid might take a while for the attachment orders what do you think?

more poo-poo there sean? maybe? perhaps?

@Norman. I think there are about 35 district courts sitting five days a week. 46 weeks a year. i think that a case like this will take a maximum of five minutes (if even) of a judges time. If each exisiting court only spends 2 hours per sitting on these cases that’s 200,000 prosecutions in the year. Now if you factor in the likely scenario of special sittings dedicated solely to household charges as well I’d say evary case could be finsihed in the courts within a maximum of three years. That’s assuming 1 million don’t pay. But I’m sure you’ll probably accept that after the first 50000 convictions the level of compliance will rise dramatically and the outstanding cases will drop and will probably be done much quicker than that.

sean, they start convicting that number of people,
they’d better watch out.

if u think this is the height of civil disobedience
let them convict masses of people
and see what the outcome will be.

@Sean, I think he was just comparing the efficient use of propaganda. Not the tax to the Nazis. At least that’s how it seemed to me, hopefully!

@Sean i’m stunned you know so little about the legal system in this country.I have no problem with anyone paying the charge that is their right.As it is my right not to as a form of protest.But please drop the uneducated scare tactics.I’m not a pensioner it won’t work with me.

That;s it. Just tell me i’m wrong and not say why. Please enlighten me.

@Sean i’ll just say this do you really believe our courts would move with the speed you suggest.I doubt that you do you seem like an intelligent sort.As i said i respect your choice do me the same courtesy and drop the scare tactics please

Norman have you ever seen a traffic ticket go to court? It’s strict liability. Warden gives their evidence, accused gives an excuse, judge convicts and fines. Takes minutes at most. The household charge will be even quicker. Either you’re on the register or your not. There’s not much of a defense you can put.

@Sean last comment to you since you think your’re correct i would check with a solictor to the veracity of what you say and you’ll be informed you’re wrong.

Thanks but I’ll go by what I’ve seen with my own eyes thanks.

@ Sean Beag
some of us have broad shoulders and steel spines, but beyond that you just doent seem to be accepting the fact that there are tens of thousands of your fellow country men and women who ARE willing to do time for their principles. Given you dont seem to have any I wouldnt expect you to understand.

Good going there Ann. If you can’t argue the point just put yourself on a pedestal and insult the poster. Pretty much your standard reply.

Like anything else it was dreamt up..

They have computers and the internet now you know!

@ David I’d like one of those computers that open envelopes, where can I get one? – is Joe Soap allowed to buy them or is the 100 euro charge going to be used to buy more of these fascinating machines?????

@ChristineBohan Gerard makes a good point. Maybe the journal could solve the question? I saw yesterday that the term “registered to pay” was used which would imply that the number includes only those who have paid a lump sum or will pay the 25 x 4 instalments. Is there an additional group who have registered but have waivers? Or are those with waivers included in the figures above?

or dont hand over any money people need it… put it all into a community fund if its going anywhere that way if people are really in trouble the moneys there to help them, many people are struggling to put food on there table

If you’re involved in a road accident or if your house goes on fire, you’ll receive a bill for at least a grand from your local county council. Even if the firemen arrive stand around at the scene of an accident and leave because they weren’t need after all, the bill still goes out the the vehicle owner, regardless of who called them.

An post reuse the Royal Mail bags I’ve heard.

That’s a mighty figure for any Govt to bully/threaten/intimidate. Think of the votes.

When I read nonsense like that I feel tempted to pay the charge. If, like many, you built, or bought new, you paid a fortune in VAT for the privilege of owning a house. Anyone who bought in recent years paid big money in stamp duty. If the government called this a community charge or local tax, your reason for not paying would be invalid. There are many valid reasons for opposing the HHC. Is property really the issue?

Why don’t you go and live in a country where there is no property tax, water charges, council tax, local taxes, stamp duty etc. let us know when you find this nirvana.

jimbo
please please do not tell mcbab about it!
he’ll only find some way to tax it!
he loves tax! yes loves it!

So you let the school bully intimidate you then.

A bit like the paramilitaries in the North they controlled by intimidation.

Robbie W
There are some people who do not have a choice but to pay , people in the civil service etc, may feel under pressure. It is not easy for every one to make a stand . Having said this, bullies like mr hogan and his crew should be ashamed , but they have no shame.
Toureag
I feel maybe you paid against your will ,that is a shame.
The rest of us who has a choice and are not afraid ….. will continue with the protest. :)

Well said, Susie.

Many people will pay, for whatever reasons they have. That’s no reason for the rest of us to berate them or intimidate them. Let’s just got on with making a stand, without ostracising or being disrespectful to our fellow citizens.

Irish People caving into propaganda bullying.. Our Fore- Fathers will be turning in their graves.. More red thumbs against protest & not paying..
Where has that strong Irish Spirit gone??…Caved in because yellow
bellied cowardice..
No Solidarity, no justice, no pride
or courage to stand up and be counted.. We must be the only Nation who stab each other in the back..
Well keep your heads down & your
minds closed, cause you have dug
your own little burrow to hide.. Where
are you going to hide next year when this poll tax doubles.?
My My how short your memories are.!
I’m going out guns blazing first before they steal another cent from
me & mine.. Sorry for waffling on, but
I’m raging with the cut throats in our
Island..

If the government demanded that we set ourselves on fire, or give up our first born, would you comply? Would we have a bunch of people shrugging their shoulders and saying “but its the law”. This government lost the consent of the people when they broke the first of their pre-election promises.

And next year it’ll be 1000 not 100. Like everything else,it’ll go up up up

With a mentality like that they will probably be better off without you. You sound like a primary school kid in a playground.

Its my ball so I’m going home !!!!

@DubInnaas Its grand, none of my friends are idiots i was simply illustrating point. They unlike you could at least use metaphors that made sense when trying to discredit a comment… fail

@dub innass well said

only if you promise to fall into it after!

Careful FG/LAB don’t hit you with a
superfluous hole charge there.

The library in my area is in the process of being totally rebuilt and will be a fantastic facility used day and night by all age groups of the community. THIS is what our household charge is going to fund and I , for one am more than happy about this. Also when property charges start I will also be happy to pay more than €100 so other improvements can be made to make where I live a better place.

Really this money is going to fund local services can you prove this or can you also prove it is not going towards the upkeep of the bondholders ?

The government ministers are destroying the country, you dont tax your way out of a recession and also we should only be paying soverign debt not private debt and gambling of the so called “elite”

If I go down to Paddy Power and put a bet on a horse and it doesnt win are you going to give me the money back, off course your not, you gambled you lost, so f*ck the bondholders and the government they and the previous regimes have done more damage to this country than the British or any Foreign powers did in past times.

They the government sold the Irish people out, they are unqualified mouthpieces for the bankers of europe and do as they are told…

This maybe a small victory but there is many battles to come and hopefully all the moronic supporters of the current regime might do us all a favour and leave and goto say North Korea !

Any chance you can explain what a development levy was for then if not for services?

Give me figures to prove it is for services seriously give us the complete break down, the proof.

It is a precursor to impose a major household tax in the future for absolutely nothing else but paying off the bondholders.

A bit like VRT which the EU amazingly decleared to be illegal but they continue to charge it…

Next up Oxygen will be charged for and toilet flushing…

@dubinnass I am self employed so I have no choice but to pay as I won t get a tax clearance cert at the end of the year. The self employed are probably a large portion of those that have paid already. It’s the same as playing Russian roulette- pay it or pull the trigger. That’s my first comment. The second one is if people can remember the last time this so called straight and good as gold party where in power during a recession, their way of getting out of it was to tax children’s shoes. How long big phil before this happens again?

@ Tom Flynn – if you give Bertie a ring he’ll tell you how to get around the tax man without a Tax Clearance cert – to the bests of my recollection he managed it for years while holding the title of Taoiseach.

But seriously I wasnt aware that if you are self-employed you really have NO option but to pay. Well I’m exempt as I live in a Council owned property but I’m still marching on Saturday and I will include you in my list of who I am marching for.

Robbie if you went down to paddy power and bet on a horse but were subsequently told that the an employee had shot your horse and the manager had stolen all the cash would you expect your money back? I think so. If you didn’t get it back would you ever bet in paddy power again? Nope. Would anyone? That would be the end of paddy power.

Unlike most taxes, this one goes directly to the councils so it definitely will be used for local services. The likes of PAYE go into the government coffers and this is the money that pays the bond holders. You are protesting the wrong thing.

Seriously Sean ! That analogy does not make sense

@Ronan Sexton – That letter is, not surprisingly – bogus. It was spread around Facebook which is not a source I would recommend anyone uses for legal advice!

http://www.mccannfitzgerald.ie/news-media/news/article/4046/statement-from-mccann-fitzgerald.aspx

Fair enough Diarmuid, sounded plausible though. It could be a defense in court though… “That’s bollox your honour, I read it on Facebook”

Well with an anonymous user name like yours you clearly only signed up for one reason and one reason alone!!!! Back to the Dail with you ya rat!

@ Youbetterpayup – are you sure your name isnt Phill the Black Sacks Hogan, your smugness and arrogance seem to know no bounds. How do you know that the unopened envelopes arent filled with HHC reminders and not postal orders/registration forms, I posted my reminder back to Black Sacks Hogan and I know of many others who have done the same.

sing a different tune would you… it’s all you ever say.

You talking to me Katrina ?

Perhaps the Journal could once again inform people how and where they can pay their household charge.

Three comments that show why people moved away from the not paying movement. Insults seemed to be a large part of the movements strategy, which can be easily seen on the Journal comments sections. You don’t win hearts and minds like that folks. i feel sorry for people like Reada who put a bit of effort and thought into their objection because people like ye have let them down.

Read The Journals Comments policy.

Treat other commenters with respect. Even if what they are saying is unreasonable, you will make your point much more effectively if you do so in civil terms.

You betterpayup
Maybe you should read the comments policy yourself . No doubt you have speeches to write for your own paymasters for your Party this weekend . Maybe I will see you there when we march down to the conference centre on Saturdat afternoon . I do not trust this government . They have lied , and lied. Ido not believe thgeir figures , but I will NEVER pay this tax.

Is that you Phil?

YouBetterPayUp
You have a point about respectful comments having more impact. Fair enough. However, the implicit threat in your username reflective of the threatening behaviour resorted to by this government in relation to the payment of this poorly organized, chaotic and unfair tax is beyond irritating.

Have I missed something here.
We spent 800 years trying to kick out the invaders who made us nothing less than tenants in our own country. We gain independence, vote in an elected body to represent us and become tenants in our own homes. WTF is going on. This fee, soon to become tax has reduced us to nothing more than sponges to be squeezed by foreign invaders. Well balls to that, I’m fighting for my right to own a home, and raise my family without the threat of fines and imprisonment.

Thanks enda

Not strictly correct, as far as I know. The mortgage lender has a security interest over the property to secure the loan made to you (the homeowner) to buy it. The lender only becomes the owner when the security interest is enforced.

I agree if the bank has the security on it then you don’t until you are finished paying for it ,so in real terms you don’t own it your buying .yes your the registered owner but not the actual owner. that’s how I see it.

U are a patriot?so u like paying for other peoples greed.its people like me who had to emigrate as a result of these peoples greed.its people like me who send money back to ireland on a regular basis who are the real patriots.what an idiot u really are.

Nope Arbitrasure: you’re a disgrace to the Irish nation, making fun of the people who are standing up for themselves.

Go cry in your gin you blinked dinosau

Hang on in there dubinnaas. Don’t despair, as you can see by the lack of intelligent posting and discussion on this site by a load of disgruntled muppets they will never be in any position of power because they never come down off of their bar stools.

His profile pic is a bottle of gin!!! Haha… fail again!!

Wow! Im impressed,
so its not just me who likes to get drunk in the mornings!

Are u a member of the IRA? if u are can ye give a few beatings to certain bankers who have destroyed ireland.im ashamed to be irish.god bless australia.

I’m happy to pay €100 for these important local services. Where do I sign up? (and I assume that €100 charge replaces my current enormous income tax bill, correct?)

So you actually believe that the IMF/EU/ECB engineered another tax for us because they are concerned about cracks in pavements?
You keep holding on to that belief as the corks are popped on another bottle courtesy of your e100

ah no Dermot,
they want us to pay so that we can enjoy
lovely wee walks in the parks :-)

Yes Joseph, if one thing the IMF and ECB are renowned for is their insistence that every person has access to a public park where the grass is kept to a minimum height. :P