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Poll: Do you think undocumented Irish will get citizenship under Obama?

Tánaiste Eamon Gilmore is hopeful that Barack Obama’s emphasis on immigration reform will help undocumented Irish in the US, but what do you think?

Families and friends of the
Families and friends of the "undocumented Irish" outside Dáil Éireann (file photo)
Image: Julien Behal/PA Archive/Press Association Images

LAWMAKERS IN THE US came together earlier this week to help best determine how to deal with the more than 10 million illegal immigrants who currently live in the US.

Tánaiste Eamon Gilmore has responded by saying that “comprehensive reform of the US immigration system” is needed to improve the status of undocumented Irish in the US.

In response to a parliamentary question by Deputy Brendan Smith, he said that the Irish embassy in Washington was in close liaison with  the Irish-American community representatives in order to ensure that the interests of undocumented Irish immigrants were included in any future legislation.

So today, we want to know: Do you think that legislation will be put in place during the second term of Barack Obama which will allow undocumented Irish immigrants to gain US citizenship?


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Comments (62 Comments)

  • I’m Irish living in the US. I don’t think the Irish, or any other specific group of people for that matter, should get preferential treatment. As I said in another post, I would really like for illegals who were brought here as children (having no say in the matter) to be taken care of first with any immigration reform.

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  • No. President Obama has enough to do domestically without legitimising illegal immigrants.

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  • This is about the US Hispanic vote. Obama gained a surge of support from this community when he indicated his support for regularising the status of settled “illegals” in the US. This has not been lost on the Republicans, hence John McCains speech yesterday, supporting moves in this direction.

    It is also not lost on Republicans that immigrants keep wage costs down. As for the Irish illegals, they hardly register in the debate. The total estimated illegals currently resident in the US is 11million.

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  • Reg 29/01/13 #

    Doubt it, can’t see Irish illegal immigrants being treated differently to others.

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  • Why should those that broke US Immigration laws skip the queue ahead of those who have waited legally in line? There should be no amnesty.

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  • Why are RTE and TheJournal.ie always standing up for these “undocumented” Irish? They are illegal immigrants in the states, and know full-well what they are doing. It baffles me why journalists continually try to defend them. Why are the normal immigration channels not good enough for them?

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  • I can’t talk for the situation in America, so I won’t. I do feel, however, that Eamonn Gilmore has some brass neck to be telling any other country to comprehensively reform any of their laws, never mind immigration. Our democratic system and our laws are so badly in need of “comprehensive reform” that we should be concentrating on our own rather than laws elsewhere.

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  • Why should Irish Illegal immigrants be treated any better than Ireland treats its illegal immigrants?

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  • No, not full-blown citizenship and all the voting and residence rights that go with it. But he probably will implement some level of “permission to remain” system that will eventually lead to citizenship (i.e. some sort of green card for previously undocumented immigrants)

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  • why exactly are they undocumented?

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  • Approximately 0.5 million dwellings have become permanently vacant as a result of a reduction in the illegal immigrant population. The greatest impact has been on the California economy, where illegal immigrants comprise approximately 1/3 of the total population.

    The reduced demand for housing created permanent unemployment for hundreds of thousands of building contractors, realtors, and mortgage brokers.

    Economic decline caused by reduced spending by illegal immigrants in the US occurred at the same time as a rise in unemployment of approximately 1 million legal US workers that provide goods and services for the illegal immigrant population.

    Deportation of the entire illegal immigrant population increases the risk of a collapse of the US banking system due to significant increase in permanent housing vacancy rates and excess foreclosures for unoccupied dwellings.

    Economic activity produced by illegal immigrant spending employs about 5% of the total US workforce. Illegal immigrants occupy over 3 million dwellings, or just under 4% of the total number of homes in the US. UCLA research indicates immigrants produce $150 billion of economic activity equivalent to spending stimulus every year.

    Worth thinking about before berating illegal immigrants. This sector of society are large contributors to the local economy and vital to the survival of SME’s in America.

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  • Although I would never move to the USA without a proper visa, I can see why they do it. They just want a better life and a job, not to be sitting around on the dole. What chances do a lot of people have in Ireland at the moment? As Europeans we don’t have the same freedom of movement as Americans. They have 50 states to choose from, all with a common tongue. If a state doesn’t suit them they can easily move. Unless one is gifted at languages, we are pretty much restricted to cold and damp Ireland or the UK. From what I hear, the UK is pretty crowded right now with Irish people and the job prospects are not great there either.

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  • The girlfriend is from New Mexico and doing her masters in Texas. Im trying my best to find a legal route to stay there and work but the only way seems to be marriage as i have no degree. It’s very frustrating. I have considered going over and working illegally but that would be a last resort.

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    • Tricia G 29/01/13 #

      DON’T! Seriously! It will severely restrict your ability to travel in the future. (and Texas is too close to the border, well some parts of it are :) it’s too risky)

      If you overstay your holiday visa you MIGHT get away with it for a couple of trips and then one day, you’ll end up with a 10 year ban. If you believe this is a long term relationship you do not want to put yourself in the situation where everytime you travel to your girlfriends country you are panicking travelling though the airport (and you’ll eventually get caught!). Don’t overstay if you can possibly avoid it. I know WAY too many people that have gotten banned.

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  • Marco 29/01/13 #

    It’s just complicated but as a student (and therefore an immigrant) in Ireland I don’t think it’s fair. Otherwise they’ll support the idea of illegal immigration. My visa expires later this year and I’m planning where to go already. There would e very handy for me to stay as I love it here and wait the government to give me the same rights eventually. Now, would it be fair to the Irish people who’ve been paying taxes and everything? No, I don’t think so… I just don’t criticise as I don’t know what people have been through to be there.

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  • They are illegal, they should be kicked out.

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  • I was living in the Bronx back when the Irish Lobby for Immigration Reform was started. I was there legally on a Visa whilst the majority of my friends were not so lucky.

    For those talking about moving to the US legally, you’re CLEARLY demonstrating just how LITTLE you know about US Immigration Policy. It’s exceptionally difficult to move to the US legally, to say I was lucky is a huge understatement. It’s little wonder there are so many green card marriages.

    A workable solution is needed and the most logical is some type of pathway that permits illegal immigrants a way to work towards being legal. Deportation DOES NOT work, saying “deport them all” solves absolutely nothing. It’s just not feasible and Mitt Romney’s “self-deportation” comment was one of the many reasons he lost the election.

    I answered “I don’t know” because it’s way too early to say. Bush Jr tried something similar and John McCain was also on board (he even came and spoke in the Bronx). Then he changed his mind, his collegaues didn’t share his support of the legislation. I can’t help thinking he’s likely to do the same again.

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  • Ger 29/01/13 #

    These aren’t people caught out by technicalities, or other unfortunate circumstances. These are people who made the calculated decision to remain in the US illegally. And while I support the principal of reform (the idea of maintaining the “illegal” status of so many residents is impractical, if nothing else), the fact is it was their decision and on their heads it should be.

    I don’t see why the State should be assisting people who broke the laws of another country. Especially the laws of a country they’ve chosen to continue living in.

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  • Send them home. If you’re breaking the law there is no way the Irish gov should be asking for an amnesty for you. Same goes for illegals in this country

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  • I hear through the grapevine that his cousin Henry from Offaly has held crunch talks in the situation room in the White House with top officials about the matter.

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  • why too much irishpeople go to other countries and do not return home? why foreigners don’t like irish people?

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  • No, the republicans will block it, they always do. Met a lot of hard working Irish in New York who are illegal. It kills them not to be able to visit family back home

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    • The bill that’s on the table at the minute was agreed with bipartisan support. My heart bleeds for those who can’t return to ireland maybe they should have thought of that before they decided to break the law.

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    • Get off your high horse cian, you haven’t a clue what’s going on over there. People went over looking for work and a better life, same as anyone else that emigrates. It’s extremely tough to get a work visa. Not everywhere is as easy to go to as Australia

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    • It’s not that easy to get a work visa in Ireland either if you’re a non EA national. Illegal immigrants here are rounded up and sent home. Are Irish people more valuable human beings than the illegals who come into Ireland? Why should the Irish illegals get better treatment than that Ireland gives to illegal immigrants here.

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    • First off I’m mostly talking about Irish illegals because, personally, I’ve met more than a few over there. I don’t mean to sound like its only them that are important. Second, you can’t compare Europe to the U.S in this case. There are no hand outs over there. You work, and you work your arse off if you’re illegal. Most if not all want to be legal, pay taxes & be part if the country. Is that such a bad thing?

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    • Dec just in response to you’re generalisation that Australia is an easy country “to get into” . Depending on you’re visa type it can be very expensive ( family and plane tickets) and it also doesn’t give you any benefits either. I know this article is about the US but why should someone who lives in the country illegally and doesn’t pay any form of tax based on your income get documentation over someone who goes down the correct route . If that’s the why have immigration laws , just open the doors to everyone .

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    • What handouts do you think there are for undocumented illegal immigrants here?

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    • You don’t know what you’re talking about… “The Republicans will block it” … Why do you say that ? Its just a knee jerk comment! Obama promised in his first 4 years that he would tackle illegal immigration. His 1st 2 years were totally unobstructed so he could have passed anything … He decided on healthcare so we can end up like Ireland waiting for a week to get a bed in the hospital. So please don’t comment unless you know what you’re talking about! Believe it or not Obama is not the Savior!

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    • Australia’s not that easy either. To get a working holiday visa you have to be 30 years old or younger (same in Ireland BTW) and it’s a temporary visa with no path to permanent residency.

      To get a skills visa you have to have the skills, education and experience that Australia is looking for at the time. You have to hand over a big wad of cash to get your visa processed and you don’t get it back if your application is rejected. It could be rejected on the grounds that someone slightly better qualified than you also applied… even if you fit all the criteria.

      Australia is a great place to emigrate to if you do get in. They encourage you to become a citizen, and provide a path to both permanent residency and citizenship that can be achieved withing 2 of years of moving there. That’s not the case in Ireland where you have to be living here a minimum of 5 years to apply for citizenship and 8 for permanent residency. Even being married to an Irish citizen doesn’t help until you’ve been married for 3 years. And remember that referendum a few years back? The one that told immigrants that they weren’t entitled to remain in the country even after having a baby that is an Irish citizen?

      Ireland has quite a neck asking the USA to treat Irish illegal immigrants favourably.

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    • Right where do I start! Rena, he tried to bring this in just over 2 years ago and it was blocked by a republican senator at the last minute, from Arkansas(can’t remember his name). At what point did I mention Obama being a saviour or anything about healthcare!! To the rest, I know about Australia because I got a work visa there 7 years ago with little qualifications. Yes I was under 25, and only got a year. That’s still a hell of a lot easier than the U.S

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    • @ jimboandbear, the US is actually considering a similar measure to what Ireland has done by dis-allowing immigrants to obtain citizenship by having an ‘anchor baby’ in the country. So Ireland didn’t act that unfairly by doing the same.

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    • I’ve live in Australia for the last 4 years and in that time the government here has changed their immigration laws about 5 times so I’m sure in 7years is changed a lot. So unless you know about the migration system in Australia don’t make sweeping comments about it. To get back to the point why should someone be documented just because the happen to be illegals , Irish or otherwise. If they are not refugees they should be deported back to their country of origin for breaking migration laws,

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    • Fair enough will, be careful what you wish for though

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    • With a general statement like that about Republicans you are obviously a “sheep” of the liberal media.
      More illegal immigrants have left or have been quietly deported under Obama than Bush.
      Republicans are pro legal immigration and can see the economic benefits of it. Before 9-11 Bush was meeting with Vicente Fox with an agenda to grant legal status to illegal immigrants (The greatest majority of illegal immigrants are Latino). 9-11 stopped that.
      Apart from a few good well intentioned Democrats as a whole they are great to make noise about popular issues like illegal immigration but its usually with an ulterior motive; more power, secure the vote.
      Obama is no favorite with the illegals here. His leftist policies do not create any benefits for the illegals here who need to work to send money and “parcels from America”back to the South & Central America to feed their families.

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    • Michael 29/01/13 #

      Blame the republicans for everything, how original

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    • Well dec I was going to address your response but it appears you’ve been well and truly served. Sit Down.

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    • Cian, happy enough standing, thanks. Andy, I’m not liberal, or conservative. People who label themselves as either are idiots who treat politics like its a religion

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    • Smiley 29/01/13 #

      Things have changed heaps in seven years. Tougher now.

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  • No, and why should they?

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  • The picture shows a relative of an undocumented worker. Where are they now? The comments reflect a serious anti-IrishSentiment by Irish people who want the estimated 50,000 Irish people living illegally in the U.S. to be sent back to Ireland to look for jobs. This bill shows no preferential treatment for the Irish and ABSOLUTLEY NOTHING to do with Eamonn Gillmore.

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