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Poll: Should the EU introduce common rules for airlines on hand luggage?

Yesterday MEPs called for regulation of hand luggage charges to protect consumers from being exploited by airlines. Do you think the EU should introduce common rules?

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IN A DEBATE in the European Parliament yesterday, MEPs called for the addition of a hand luggage allowance rule to the air passenger rights legislation, which is to be tabled before the summer.

British MEP Brian Simpson said that, while he was aware that rules had to reflect different aircraft types, there was an inconsistency with the way passengers are charged for their carry-on luggage as “certain airlines look to charge for everything and others don’t”.

Ireland’s Socialist Party MEP, Paul Murphy, claimed that rules on hand luggage were not enforced by airlines in the interest of passenger comfort or safety but as a means of increasing profits.

While the Commissioner accepted that restrictions varied greatly he said that this was a reflection of diversity in the market and he was not in favour of regulation.

So what do you think? Should the European Commission introduce common rules for airlines on hand luggage allowance?


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Comments (66 Comments)

  • Yes, no, I mean I’m not sure, oh god sorry I get so flustered when I see you Michelle <3

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    • Yes! I’ve now bought four cabin wheelies in different sizes! Standardise the size and weight, and it’ll be good for travellers, and for luggage makers.
      But the duty-free business is crazy – why should carbon footprint be wrecked by planes flying bottles of alcohol from country to country? Duty-free shopping should be on arrival only, and airports should have goods from many countries (like Tokyo train station, where people who’ve had a local naughty weekend can buy the “Kyoto treats” they supposedly got on their business trip to Kyoto, for instance).

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    • No.

      Open competition gives us successful companies like Ryanair and bad as the service can be, it can be cheaper to fly to London than get the bus to Dublin sometimes.

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    • Unless of course you have to get the bus to Dublin to fly to London

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    • Michelle, Ted… think I’ll ditch my usual advice and say “go find yourselves a restraining order”. ;)

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  • If the size of carry on bags were to be regulated we might end up being worse off. Has anyone been on a Ryanair flight and been among the last batch of passengers onto the aircraft? There is usually chaos as there is simply not enough room for everyone’s bag. If bag size was based on amount of seats on aircraft the dimensions could be actually smaller. Ryanair doesn’t charge for carry on baggage and the weight 10kg. is generous enough I think.

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    • Yes I have and yes it would be smaller. My suitcase fits under the seat , only way to travel, never have to worry if your bag will fit (except when allocated a seat in Row 1, only happened once, not a problem with Ryanair). Mine fits in the bag-measuring-thing… makes me think the max size is based on what fits under the seat.

      A standard size is a good idea, but it would be tiny and would have to accommodate the smallest aircraft operating commercially in Europe. Just think about Aer Arann/Aer Lingus planes, you can’t bring standard Ryanair/Aer Lingus bags on those, they just won’t fit. Might be best to either say all purchases must fit in your carry-on baggage, or not, and leave it at that. It does depend on the airport policy at the moment, not just the airlines. In Brussels airport you can buy as much as you want and bring it as extra hand baggage, I guess someone got a surprise flying somewhere else :)

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  • Not just standardisation on carry on needed with Ryanair now having reduced the weight of checked baggage to 15kg. For longer journeys it is usually cheaper to go with other airlines if you need baggage because it works out cheaper after baggage charges

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  • Dave 18/01/13 #

    Makes no odds, passengers will be ultimately charged for it in the overall price anyway. Would be nice if there was universal rules for checking in for a flight. Different airlines – different procedures!

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    • Agreed, this is really only about Ryanair (and possibly EasyJet but I wouldn’t be too sure). But everyone knows what they’re letting themselves in for when they fly with Ryanair. It’s a relief when you board an Aer Lingus flight with a wheelie carry-on AND a handbag/duty free and don’t get done for it. Basically, if you don’t want to live in fear of being robbed by T&C’s, don’t fly Ryanair.

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  • Ryanair put up their check-in luggage charge at Christmas to €50 each flight – talk about taking the piss – needless to say I didn’t bring any as I was taking 4 flights and it would have cost nearly twice the price of the flights! Coming back in Dinard they weighed my carry on luggage which happened to be 12 Kgs – I just put my chargers and other electrical stuff in my jacket pockets and wore 3 sweatshirts and went back – 9kgs so no problem and they let me through – it’s just a farce!

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    • Your bags were dearer than you flights and you still moan. To make matter worse you obviously did not need the bags in question as you did not bring them. Your the kind of customer Ryanair is trying to avoid!!!!

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  • I am sure the businesses which sell Duty-free, would welcome some form of allowance. What is the point of buying duty-free if one has to pay to transport it.

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  • Smiley 18/01/13 #

    Hand luggage should be free.

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  • I’m holidaying in Australia presently and have gone through Perth, Melbourne and Brisbane airports. It’s amazing the easy respectful way we’ve been treated and you can check in a bag for free and take a carry on bag hassle free. Amazing!

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  • There should be another EU common rule. If I arrive early or on time at the check in desk, I’m aloud to blow the biggest annoying bugle in the face of the person at the desk and see how they feckin like it!

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  • YES!

    Ryanair are losing the run of themselves just setting traps that you can’t help but fall in to.

    2 weeks in Portugal with your family of four? A napkin for carry-on, and a shoebox in the hold for 40 quid…. each way…. per person. Any more than that and it’s fifty quid per kilogram… each way… per person….. oh and there is a ten quid credit card fee just for us taking your money off your credit card… per person….. each way….. and don’t forget the “admin levy”… each way…. per passenger. Pay with your Ryanair card and you can avoid the fees. Mind you, we’ve changed that card since last week. And again…. and again….. now we only accept luncheon vouchers…. that’ll be another 15 euro. Per passenger… each way. Want to complain? Phone our premium rate complains line. Only €5 per minute. Per passenger, each way.

    …but sure, we’re the “low-fares” airline.

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  • Perhaps asking if the EU should protect us from Ryanair would be a more straightforward way to ask this question? It’s what we are all thinking, when we read this. :)
    I think it is a good idea. Anything that prevents greedy airlines taking liberties is going to benefit passengers and is good for business, in my opinion.

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    • The way to prevent greedy airlines taking liberties is…..don’t fly with them. I’m no great fan of Ryanair, but I do see the full list of charges and regulations before I buy my ticket so it’s my choice..Can you imagine the cost of flying in Europe if Ryanair hadn’t come???

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  • Roger, incorrect. The bailout was “needed” because we took the socialist approach and nationalised the banks instead of letting them go bust. The private sector airlines like Ryanair have reduced the cost of flying to about a 1/10th of what it was in the 70′s when only government owned airlines operated between Ireland and the UK. It would be still the same except for Mr O’Leary and a few other giants of business. ….Roger and out.

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  • Too many charges and then you’re hit with the hidden ones. Should be one case in the hold and one small carry-on for free.

    Completely off topic. As a diver I cannot stand the sight of golfers and surfers with their sports allowance. It drives me up the wall that a bag of metal clubs is sent first class with kisses while my wet-suit and mask become my greatest enemy for an hour or two. In the end though it’s always worth it.

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  • I think regulations on how airlines advertise their prices should be more strictly regulated, with so many airlines charging different amounts for bags, boarding cards, etc it’s almost impossible to truly compare prices until you’ve almost booked a flight .

    Also companies changing exorbitant amounts for credit / debit card fees should be made illegal, how else do they expect most people to buy a flight on-line, it’s just a way for them advertise flights for prices that do not really exist. Ryanair charge about ten quid each way to use a debit card, the actually handling fee can only be pennies. Very misleading I think

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  • I just looked at the survey results – I can’t believe so many people voted against the idea of the European Commission introducing common rules for hand luggage!! It must be all those people in Ryanair voting against it…

    When it comes to the current mess one has to think cui bono? The airlines of course.

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    • Many people will just vote no when they see the letters E and U together no matter what possible good the proposal could bring.

      While the MEPs are at it, could they do something about getting rid of those ridiculously stupid card processing charges?? Take for example Ryanair. It costs ?6 to process the payment for a one way flight and ?12 for a return. Double the charges then if there are two people on the booking! Why is this exactly? Why don’t Lidl or Aldi charge me for this each time I pay with card? The reason simply being that the charge is an out and out scam.

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  • They should also make it compulsory to accept State issued photo ID such as driving licences fir security purposes. Requesting a passport negates the EU’s free movement policy.

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    • Anyone, regardless of nationality, can be issued with a driver’s licence. Allowing their use would grant freedom of movement to those who aren’t entitled to it.

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    • the passport request in ireland is because we are not party to the schengen agreement.

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    • I agree, I just drove from Dublin to Malaga with my Son and two dogs. Not once were we stopped or asked for passports. So much for border controls yet you will be refused to board an aircraft without a passport while I could have had anything in the Camper and went unchallenged !

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    • Ben Gunn 18/01/13 #

      Donncha, the passport is for airline security only. you do not need it when you are travelling within Europe. Shengen only relates to Border controls. Non Shengen countries do not need passports just ID.

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    • @David Nice drive, I bet no-one checked the dogs passports either :)

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    • Ben, Ireland and the UK opted out of the Schengen agreement as they both wanted to maintain their own separate visa rules. Because we both have different visa requirements to the rest of the EU we need to go through passport control when we arrive from Ireland to prove our citizenship to show we are eligible to enter. For example, we may have admitted someone without a visa that the Schengen Area would not, or vice versa, and these people need to be checked. They cannot move freely. As a result of us needing to prove citizenship, a passport or national ID is required to be admitted as nothing else can prove it. This is not a rule imposed by the airlines. It’s the law.

      Once inside the Schengen Area though the borders are completely open in all forms. Flying within the area (e.g. Spain to Sweden) you are not subject to passport control when you arrive. You head straight to the baggage hall. Any requirements put on you for identification in that situation are entirely decided by the airline in question for their own use.

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  • Read the T&Cs on any air lines and you won’t go wrong, Iv flown with all the low cost airlines without any problem. Some people are to lazy to read and to quick to complain

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    • Start your travel plans by talking to your friends and family who travel regularly, they will have useful advice, might be able to lend you a bag they’ve flown with before (the right size), might give you some of the plastic bags for free, can give you info on certain airports they’ve been through before, etc. Not everyone wants to or can read and understand airline and airport websites, it’s a lot to take in. It is necessary to be aware of at least 3 sets of baggage policies for an average flight – airline plus 2 airports. Also a lot of this country doesn’t have proper broadband or smartphones which makes searching airport/airline websites actually quite difficult – offer to print out info for people!

      It is awful when you’re not aware of something and are already stressed when travelling, I see it all the time – development charges at airports, 1-bag policy at airports, 1-bag policies that airlines ignore at some airports and enforce at others, security rules on liquids, rules on unopened dutyfree on flight transfers, the same airline with different baggage rules for different aircraft, the list is long.

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  • Smiley 18/01/13 #

    Yet, still, people fly RyanAir. Not me, though.

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    • Damocles 18/01/13 #

      I do, when it’s unavoidable.

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    • I used to have a preference for Aer Lingus, and would pay up to 20-30 quid more for the privilege, depending on the flight.

      However, every time I fly Aer Lingus I have to queue at the gate and rush to my seat like a Ryanair passenger, just to get use the overhead space that’s beside my seat. Aer Lingus continually let people take huge gear bags onto planes, and then those same people stick them up at the first available locker, before walking down the plane to their seat. The last 20% of passengers boarding the plane have to either check their single properly sized baggage into the hold, or the staff have to walk the plane creating space. Net result? Aer Lingus almost never get away on time.

      I actually prefer Ryanair now for short hops. There’s no messing about with the bags, and once you queue in reasonable time you get a seat.

      I would, however, like to see some more EU clamp down on their opaque websites, and the interface for things like deselecting travel insurance: It asks “Travel Insurance: What country are you living in?” and in that combo box is hidden the “I don’t require travel insurance” option. This is nonsense, and they should be sanctioned on the grounds of accessibility.

      Furthermore, they shouldn’t be allowed to charge unavoidable charges like for a carry-on bag, or for online check-in.

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  • The state should ease back on regulating businesses.

    When has state interference in the market helped?

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    • denisj 18/01/13 #

      State interference in markets has brought us such horrors as consumer rights and labour laws that prevent, you know, children from being sent down mines. Businesses these days tend to be a bit more ethical in their operations, but there are always the few who will do whatever they can get away with to make another buck. State interference doesn’t always help business, but it keeps the rest of us from getting srewed all the time.

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    • Damocles 18/01/13 #

      It also brought us the bank bailout.

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    • denisj 18/01/13 #

      Sure and if you want to be even more simplistic it brought gulags and state surveillance, but it’s really not that black and white. The trick is to find balance, not just dismiss state regulation as ‘interference’ or claim that businesses left to their own devices would make the world a better place.

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    • It took the EU Commission to control mobile phone operators’ ripoff roaming charges – against sustained UK opposition.

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    • Damocles 18/01/13 #

      No, life isn’t black and white, but suggesting that the state ease back on regulation isn’t black and white either.

      Minimising interference isn’t the same as eliminating it.

      “claim that businesses left to their own devices would make the world a better place.”

      Where did I claim that?

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    • denisj 18/01/13 #

      I reacted to the question ‘When has state interference in the market helped?’ not the suggestion that the state ease back on regulation. I’m in favour of a more intelligent and selective approach to state regulation, but I think it’s a grand fallacy of our time that state regulation of the market doesn’t help.

      You did not claim that businesses left to their own devices would make the world a better place. It’s often the next argument made by people who favour less regulation, apologies for assuming.

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    • Damocles 18/01/13 #

      Accepted.

      Some regulation is necessary.

      This, though, is straightforward interference in the market.

      If you don’t like your airline’s carry on policy fly with someone else or wear a big coat.

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    • Damocles- regulation did not bring about a bank bailout. Lack of regulation meant that a bailout was necessary. Please stop making things up as you please.

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    • Damocles 19/01/13 #

      Kevin.

      Interference brought the bailout.

      Learn to read.

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  • They other EU legislation which forces Ryanair to give you compensation if your flight is late or cancelled already costs a couple of Euro per leg. They would just add on another charge if they were forced to adopt more rules. We should force the EU legislation to only operate for 5 minutes on the nearest Monday to the 1st of April.

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  • Maybe they should just outlaw Ryanair and get on with it. A profitable airline carrying the largest number of hoi-polloi passengers in Europe, we don’t need that kind of thing. What we need is state owned airlines carrying European elites in luxury while preferably losing money.

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  • I think they should go further. There should be a rule requiring all airlines to accept 1 piece of hold luggage (within size limitations) per passenger as part of the basic fare. We need to go away from the no-frills approach to amore inclusive service model, even if that pushes up the average fare.

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  • For the EU were to sort the airlines out it would mean doing something for the citizens………Where’s the money in that?

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    • Well the EU have been responsible for significantly reducing mobile phone roaming charges – I think they should now focus their attention on the airline industry.

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    • after the phone companies made trillions off the backs of EU citizens while the EU scratched it’s balls. Maybe in ten years time when the airline companies have ripped us off enough then the EU might do something…

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  • The bailout was needed because of misplaced faith in the private-sector banks, the market and “light-touch” regulation.

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  • Karen 18/01/13 #

    Does anybody know how much Aer Lingus charge for carry on luggage?

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    • They don’t charge for carry on luggage, just checked luggage. They also have this wonderful thing called a website where you can find all of the information much more quickly and reliably than asking strangers on a news website.

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    • @ Donncha…….

      I want to post a parcel to the USA, it weighs 2kg,

      How much is the postage?
      How long for it to get there?

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    • They don’t and neither do Ryanair or any other airline I’ve ever encountered. You get a carry-on allowance which tells you the weight and size of bag you can bring on a particular flight. If you try to bring something heavier or bigger, beware… :-)

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  • Yes. There should be legislation. Every passenger should be allowed 20 kilos baggage and 10 kilos hand luggage. The days are gone when Ryanair force you to put your purse in your 100 kilo bag. Legislation is ness array to protect the innocent. I saw a young man about 19 years old being told by Ryanair that his 10 kilo bag was overweight! He took out his clothes put them in the bin and boarded without some of his clothes! Humiliating for the young innocent man. Airlines should not be allowed to charge an administration fee for booking online. Pure greed by Michael O Leary! Yes we need legislation now to protect ourselves. One oe price should be quoted.

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  • Not before time, the way O Leary goes on it should be an offence to carry an overcoat on to a flight you have paid for, now we have clones all over the place with the same stinking attitude, Logan air Aer Arainn and of course O Leary’s mob of thieves.

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