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Dublin: 16 °C Monday 20 May, 2013

Poll: Is now a good time to buy a home?

Two house price reports are out today – both say house prices still falling, but one says that slide is now very slow. Tell us what you think…

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TWO REPORTS ON house prices have confirmed that average prices are still dropping. However, while the MyHome.ie report said that the average price fell over 7 per cent in the last quarter, the Daft.ie report indicated that prices were dropping at a much slower rate – 1.4 per cent. Daft.ie also said that the number of properties currently for sale is at its lowest level in four years.

Taking all this into account – you can read a further breakdown of the reports here - do you think that now is a good time to buy property? (Feel free to vote, whether you already own a property or not – we’re interested to know how positive or negative people feel about the level of property prices now.)


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Comments (70 Comments)

  • Not for me. Cause I couldn’t afford it.

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  • Another plus of renting over buying in this market is being stuck with neighbours from hell. If you rent you can move on but you may still take a financial hit with further price drops drops if you need to move.

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  • There’s no point in trying to predict the future or play the market.
    If you can afford it and you want a house then go for it.
    If you can not afford it or your job is not certainly safe, then don’t go for it.
    Simples

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  • great time to buy a home…….can i pay with Monopoly money

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  • @Gareth — Have to disagree with the mindset behind “Paying rent to a landlord certainly wont gain you much value.” The value is having somewhere to call home without the costs of a mortgage, maintenance overheads, etc.

    There’s ups and downs to both renting and owning. There’s different types of costs, freedoms and restrictions to both.

    Re the problems of renting. A lot of law changes have happened, more are due to happen and further improvements can follow as/if needed. There has been a huge rise the amount of people renting just between the last census last year and 2006 — it’s no longer just a small amount of people renting, so renters should have the ear of policy markers more and more.

    It’s by far not a one-size fits all. Renting won’t suit everybody.

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  • Property tax looming!!
    Plus other household charges..
    Why would you .

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  • Having struggled all my life to ”own ” my own home ,I do not believe that I would encourage my kids to buy a house, No way. It was always my dream. Now on the other hand it may be important to strive to own your own too , and prevent the absentee land lord scenario, and I am not talking about the single house land lord . I mean the large business corporation landlords, absentee land lords / overlords. A rock and a hard place !

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  • I’m a first time buyer moving into my new house the end of the month. While some prices are high if you know what your doing you can get a great deal. My mortgage is going to be €378 a month. Compare that to my partners house her mortgage is €750 and were going to rent that out for €850.

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  • Are you joking us? Buy a house when there could be a 1000 euro tax next year based on valuation. Sher everyone is going to devalue their house in that case and be reluctant to buy with a tax that nobody knows the full story with. Well done current Government for destroying the housing market even further.

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  • It”s too hard to get a mortgage. People that can easily afford them are being turned down.

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  • I wouldn’t even chance buying a bloody ‘Wendy-House’ in the current climate.
    Actually…that’s about as much as you would probably get a mortgage for!

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  • The headline in the indo is absolute rubbish today, sure what would you expect from that rag.

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  • No, from houses costing approx 50k in 2000 and within 7-8 years costing 300k I think there is a long way to go yet for the market to correct itself and level out,
    I remember in my leaving cert year in 2000 a new estate was built in my home town and they were selling for 44k new, in 2003, the first house sold for 148k – and up the prices went from there. Madness

    Pity is wasn’t 10 years older :P

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  • To anybody who bought in the last 5-8 years it’s a good time, i would have my mortgage paid in 10 years if I’d waited till now to buy, really stuck here now with not much prospects, also cheers Martin Cullen e voting almost €160 million = household charge?!!

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  • Depends… I wouldn’t buy anything built in the last 20 years. But an older house solidly built, in an area I want to live in? … Value there alright.

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  • house prices are expensive if you want to live in city or anyway near, if you are willing to commute to work then there are great bargains to be had, I am lucky in that I have only 5 years left and I will finally own my home, (all through the boom we saved our money, no new cars no foreign holiday etc, we both took out the ssia and used this money to pay off mortgage) so now we will be mortgage free by our mid 40s and proud. But if I knew then what I know now, I wouldnt have bothered and I say to all thinking about it, while we have a government who want to punish home owners for daring to buy a house, dont buy, the best thing you can do is rent, it sickens me that after all this hard work and I am so near the end (when I should be reaping the rewards) my money will now be going on property tax and any other bloody tax that those morons in power can and will come up with (i didnt vote for them so my mind is clear). I think I should sell, go on council waiting list and get everything for nothing, that is what this country seems to reward, paying you own way only gets you shafted time and time again. SO, no dont buy, rent, get council house etc, you will be better off at least until Fine Gael leave and disappear forever.

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    • baz 02/04/12 #

      We just bought a house! I think you are all wrong. Prices are below build costs, 20% cheaper than the rent on one and mortgage interest relief at its highest. We are 5 years into a recession and prices are back to pre-boom time prices.

      Even if the value is dropping 10%/year its still cheaper than renting. If you wait until prices bottom out to buy, your too late. Sellers won’t take offers if they think their investments will rise.

      I do the complete opposite to what you all think/thought and its saved me €500,000 so far.

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    • baz 02/04/12 #

      Sorry Marcella, I didn’t mean to reply to your post.

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    • Complete and utter tripe Baz, I’ve never heard such utter rubbish spewed on here! Hope your estate ahem job is keeping you happy, we are all looking forward to the price database in June do you snakes are out of a job! It’s only taken the governments 35 years of trying to stop this price database coming in and it’s finally here. House are still vastly over priced and with bigger budgets coming and higher taxes and lack of jobs house prices are going down for the next few years.

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    • Property is still overpriced as is build costs.

      You’ve saved €500k?
      Great!!
      You’re gonna need it mate.

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  • Guarantee you one house in shursburuy road went up 10,000 and the media tags all over it front page of papers today, while ignoring the bare facts of the truth that the cso stats said house prices dropped more in Dublin lady month more than any, but daft.ie who are owed by the property section get this exposure! Unbelievable how this bs is allowed happen!

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  • No, but it might be a good time to stock up on nonperishable food items.

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  • Complete lies and BS property is still vastly over priced in this country. Sindo paper today saying house prices on the up front page, yet unemployment is down,country has years of debt ahead, business closing down every day, immigration, more taxes, more home taxes, cost of living still going up, wages going down, another recession on the way. Yet amazingly for the vested interested media who own daft.ie and myhome house prices going up. Pure lies and deceit. Any one with half a brain will not fall for this spin garbage

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    • P Com 02/04/12 #

      There are first timers waiting in the wings with approved mortgages, waiting for the market to stabilise and pounce, I reckon once the starting gun goes for these people we’ll see an initial surge in prices before they flatline or decrease again, a false dawn will trigger sellers to flood the market (at least comparative to the current record low supply of houses for sale mentioned above) and the realisation sets in that the only people borrowing are quite a narrow constituency (those employed, who have deposits, and no exiting negative equity, who still believe that property is a good investment versus renting/saving). Until the situation of negative equity mobility and the wider domestic economy are solved this slump will not be reversed in the med term, 2 more years of austerity budgets, uncertainty in relation to housing charges and the transparency introduced with the house price database (sale price instead of asking price) I’d be afraid this means there is further decreases to come, but sure who’s to know, really

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  • Only thing that would make people start buying is a one-year moratorium on stamp duty for all home purchases. That way, sellers would have an incentive to trade up, buyers would have an incentive to buy now quick.

    Mind you, it’s odd that the *buyer* should have to pay the tax, rather than the person who’s making the profit.

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  • houses are still overpriced compared to other countries and compared to the cost of building them. they need to drop another 40% or so

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  • The Govt have made a complete and total balls of the property owning situation. They fail to distinguish the difference between investment property and personal home ownership. The first may be taxable the second never should. The fall in property prices is due to oversupply in the market. This won’t go away until home owners can borrow a reasonable sum to purchase their home. At present mortgages are unobtainable even for those who can afford them. The household charge is an additional insult added to the injury already inflicted on homeowners by our own bloody useless government and its crass, stupid ministers on their fat salaries, bad cess to them.

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  • Yes.

    But in real economy.

    Not Ireland.

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  • Buying is dead money – seriously, a certain chunk of it is. There is still a way to go until it bottoms out yet – and more than you would otherwise hand out in rent in the interim.

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    • Fagan's 02/04/12 #

      For a lot of young people it is. It ties them in to a 35 yr deal, removes opportunity to take chances and set up their own business, cause that mortgage has to be paid, ding dong, ding dong ever month.

      Property should never be allowed to get to a stage in this country where it is described as expensive again. High property prices always destroy the economy that they are in, they might enrich a few and appeal to the get rich quick mentality but they are not part of a successful small economy.

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  • I always think that buying a house in Ireland is real silly. This is the only country I know where you rent a house and get EVERYTHING and if something broke you call your landlord and he has to replace it (if YOU didnt mess and if you dont have the horrible landlord I HAVE) – if you have a house you pay all by yourself and it is a barrel without bottom (as we say in german ;-) ). I would never buy a house (only if i got it as a present i guess lol) . And then you have a mortgage and commit yourself for 30plus years??? How silly – FOR ME – you never know whats around the corner tomorrow…. and the ones who can afford the huge mansions LET them pay the household charge… MY opinion they are getting richer and richer anyway. Well if you haven nothing you loose nothing – my life motto ;-)

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    • That’s kinda a morbid life motto… Don’t they say it’s better to loved and lost than never loved at all…. I agree with some of the stuff you are saying but I would prefer to own my own house than rely on someone else to do things for me… I had a landlord who left us without a proper working front door for a month and refused to let us get it fixed…. So I’d be tilting more to the side I owning…. (if I could afford it of course haha) :)

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    • Yes there are a lot of negatives in buying a home, but on the other hand there are a number of positives. By the time I reach my pension I will have paid off my mortgage. If I was to rent and never buy I would have to continue to pay rent after this point. Plus when I die I am leaving something of monetary value behind for my children to benefit from.

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    • Not actually correct. Landlord’s responsible for the outside of the house, you for the inside; if you break anything, you have to fix it.

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    • well, why buy property? you’re stuck at the arse end of nowhere, half a 1.5h commute if you get up at 5 and by now are probably in negative equity by 100k€? I rent, live where i want to live and am not tied down. The fact that buying a house gains you value has bee proven a solid myth by the bubble.

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    • @Bernhard, “The fact that buying a house gains you value has bee proven a solid myth by the bubble.” Buying a house does not gain you value, owning a house outright does. Paying rent to a landlord certainly wont gain you much value.

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    • I dont think its morbid at all – more morbid for ME is to own something and agreeing with bernhard being stuck for the rest of my life in one place… no flexibilty!
      @Sinabhfuil: I am absolutely aware of that – but you are not right either! Believe me with my a***e of a landlord I enquired a lot with the PRTB and Threshold: SO if you you break something its your duty to replace it but if something breaks with time like washingmachine or oven etc it is the landlords obligation to replace it. Or even heating system (my nightmare since i moved in)…
      well and what does that mean? If I do not own something I have nothing to leave for my children? What about the real value of love, understanding, self confidence??? I wish I have had that and all the stuff I inherit from my mum later…..

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    • how does 100k negative equity and living in the boondocks gain me value? Paying rent and living where i want to live gives me. Not monetary value but life quality – more important IMO.

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    • @ Bernhard: Absolutely agree!!!!!

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    • Bernhard, I bought in 2009 and live in a village that is absolutely beautiful, it takes me between 20 and 30 minutes to get to and from work. I am in negative equity but not that much thankfully. I would say my quality of life has greatly improved since buying. You make it sound like everyone who owns a house hates where the live and their lives.

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    • no, i just dislike the argument of gaining value – that is a red herring IMO. If you enjoy where you live and if you feel your quality of life went up, more power to you. What I dislike the the focus on gaining financial value at the expense of quality of life and being forced into less than happy circumstances and i see rather a big danger of that.

      If the change suits you – no problem. I just get irritated at the fetish of “paying rent does not give you value”. Am I making more sense now?

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    • Yes, completely.

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  • Ownership is a false economy, interest rates are keeping it all relative.

    Mind you the way rent prices are it’s an easy decision if you want to settle. If not keep renting end of.

    Don’t get sucked into the hype.

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  • Why would anyone buy while prices are still dropping? After all we know? Are there really that many morons still out there?

    P.

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  • I think it’s a good time to buy a house. Yes, the value may come down but houses are still great value compared to recently. However if I was given a second chance at this life I would never buy in Ireland and get to Australia or the USA.

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  • Is now a good time to sell advertorial to estate agents? Probably

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  • And are prices in Ireland above those elsewhere? I don’t think so! A nice two-bed apartment in Amsterdam can run you €300k. London is about to have a catastrophic price crash in apartments as new laws come in intended to stop international criminals and tax fugitives hiding money in London property.

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  • It could be a good investment to purchase now whilst there cheap. 20 or 30 years down the road then it could end up being a handy retirement fund!!

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  • Good time if yer a cash buyer, apparently…

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  • You can absolutely make money on a depreciating house if the interest cost and the yearly depreciation are greater than yearly rent. For example if you buy a 100k house that falls say 5% in value at 3% interest… You would loose 8k But if you were to rent the same house at 1k a month you would be 4k+ better off at the year end…

    Those calling buyers morons are just short sighted… Or mathematically challenged

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    • Except that prices are still above €200k in a lot of the country, and they’re falling by a lot more than 5%, more like 12% … I’d be losing €25-€30k per year in capital depreciation and interest if I’d bought within the last few years.
      €12k a year rent is a bargain by comparison.

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    • Fagan's 02/04/12 #

      So if you buy a small house in a remote area for 100k and it is still falling but know that you are no longer playing Dublin semi-d rental prices. It makes great sense according to yourself. If you can find that elusive mix then go for it.

      Spot on Anthony.

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    • You didn’t take into account all the other costs associated with buying and later on selling.

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    • I know of Dublin apartments that can be bought for 100k and rented for 1k a month or small houses that can be bought and rented for twice those values..

      The question relates to current circumstances which at present indicate that the market decline has stopped or slowed significantly

      As with all corrections a point will come (likely this year) when prices have overshot their bottom… You may be smart enough see to that point.

      The main point is vs. renting the house price could fall between 5-10% before you would experience a net loss

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    • Great Andrew.

      Will you take a €100k out of your deposit account paying a guaranteed 3-4% and lend it to me,
      as I would love to try out your theory .

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    • Andrew, I do not believe that you can buy a 100K apartment in Dublin and get 1k a month for it unless you rent it as a brothel.

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