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Column: Ireland needs a new political party and here’s how we do it

Ireland has reached a point where the current political establishment is not serving the interests of the people, argues Martin Critten who intends to form a new party with a Citizens’ Charter.

Martin Critten

WE NEED A new party! It’s the sort of statement you hear at the village pub, one which is immediately rebuffed with the remark: “But sure they’re all the same, just a bunch of gob***** !”

Certainly, nothing quite raises the ire of the ordinary man or woman over a few drinks than the idea of creating yet another tier of self -serving individuals masquerading as everyone’s saviour. But whilst we continue to blot out our fiscal woes with mild substance abuse, the tragic irony is we are the ones that keep on voting them in.

In our consumer led society, one thing is for sure, if you bought a box of soap powder from the supermarket that promised to remove stains but in fact totally ruined your Monday’s wash, then certainly there would be hell to play – and a refund of course. It’s the same with that car you bought under warranty that has an annoying leak from under the dashboard that no one at the garage can cure. We have consumer rights and we shouldn’t be afraid to exercise them wherever we come across injustice.

But the big anomaly remains, when it comes to our relationship with the political scene in Ireland, why is it we give these guys so much latitude to say one thing to get our vote only then to back track on almost every manifesto promise made? Well one very simple analysis would be that for decades we let them off.

So like the belligerent child that was never introduced to the naughty step, of course it would be business as usual for Enda Kenny. But having all had a crash course in world economics of late, we’re realising that the stakes are getting a little too high to be ‘turning a blind eye’. The parish pump politician may well have had a time and a place in improving the road surface outside our door, but the very freedoms we believed we had, in determining our own destiny, are now visibly threatened.

When you consider that the recent referendum collectively saw nearly 70 per cent of the population voting No or not bothering, it is blisteringly obvious something is going very wrong for people not to exercise a basic right of passage for a modern democratic society.

Unlike some of our vocal European counter parts, regrettably we appear to have fallen somewhat back into an echo of an occupied past; ‘well sure, there’s nothing we can do so’. But surely we have moved on since then? Have we matured enough to realise we can and must at times stand up and act in our own interests, and not let politicians or religious leaders take us to a place we don’t particularly want to go?

Whilst these questions remain foremost, and the economic debate rages as to shall we, or shall we not succumb to total federal and fiscal union, what becomes of our basic democratic rights? Do we bequeath those to the European system as well? I hope not, because other people have fought long and hard for those privileges.

‘A new party, devoid of past errors, past corruptions, self-interests and elitisms’

But in exercising them, where indeed can we find an opportunity to do the right thing; since no one party can be genuinely relied upon to receive such trust. If the pitch is so irretrievably queered, then logically the only other avenue is to create a new alternative political movement – a new party, devoid of past errors, past corruptions, self-interests and elitisms.

I can hear the sentiments straight away: “But isn’t that just creating more of the same? Why not go with the independents?” True, having no allegiances, or obligations other than to the people that have elected you, is a valuable principle worth embracing. But in the circus ring which is the Dáil it really is the ‘parties’ that have dominated its structure. One lone voice, may occasionally be heard on national issues during Leaders’ Questions but when the opposition to your argument sits smugly with a huge block vote behind them, you may as well be spiting in the wind.

In contrast, if everyone were to get behind the notion of voting independent at the next election, then maybe we would have a Government of passionate regional ambassadors. But what then? In attempting to cross harmonise say over 100 individual agendas in to a ‘Programme for Government’, how long would that take? Would there be dissention? Maybe you can imagine the rest. In one sense this is where party style politics wins out, in that all the preamble has already been gone through.

I think the real challenge is to devise a new party framework which welcomes and sponsors independent spirit and ingenuity, and offers a platform for free thinking to flourish. That would be a stark contrast to what we have now, which appears to be a bunch of suits attempting to sell us something they and us don’t really believe in.

But moreover the principle question still remains. When the ballot box arrives in the local community centre, what reforms can we put into place to ensure we are never sold a pup, misled, or oversold?

In principle in creating a new political party together, we have to ensure this party creates a Citizens’ Charter as it’s first job. That is a series of reforms which creates a new contract with the public, to raise the profile that not just offers best standards in office, which applies to individuals, but also in the manner parties publicly portray and advertise their agendas.

By not creating a new alternative now, we are never going to be guaranteed that this welcomed reform would ever again occur in our life time. By not breathing life into a new, alternative party, the existing establishment will continue to believe they have the playground all to themselves.

Ultimately the decision is ours. But like the last time, do you really want that choice to be so lacklustre that we are destined to be slaves to pan-European parties which have little, or no social conscience as to what’s happening in the fields of Ireland? That’s what is coming down the tracks with the likes of Enda Kenny and Angela Merkel’s cross party co-operations.

Time to shake the barley don’t you think?

Martin Critten is the spokesperson for the new political organisation Sli Nios Fearr which is planning to launch itself this Tuesday, 10 July and intends to register as a full political party in the near future.

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Comments (98 Comments)

  • How will you vet those joining your party, to ensure you don’t get more of the same self-serving individuals filling up the ranks??

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  • I love the sentiment but if this new party were to succeed, it would end up the same as other parties by the time they would build up any substantial support. The political system should be the first thing to change, all the perks & expenses removed, a basic salary given the same as any other job. Opportunity and incentive for corruption removed. Also it’s a shame our former Taoiseach didn’t take such a course before being appointed Minister of Finance & then Taoiseach! That €50k could have saved us all a lot of money!

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    • Totally agree, it’s the fundamental system that is at fault. We need to totally reform the way that any greedy gob****e can make promises and do f**k while getting a vast amount of money followed by an under-earned but equally massive pension.
      I don’t see the politicians volunteering for a pay cut in these hard times!

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    • How about a party whose sole goal was to reform the political system?

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    • Unfortunately this will never happen until there is a political party with the will to see it through. None of the current ones want that.

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    • Maybe this is the way to change the system.
      So far all that has been offered by the parties who reign are lies, corruption, greed and nest feathering.

      If we just accept what is currently on offer, change will never happen and we remain our normal complacent selves..moaning about what hurts us and then taking that pain.

      I dont agree with the sentiment of ‘Ah well, give it a chance and they cant be any worse than the others!’ No, make it happen, have voice, use your feet and stop taking out what is dished to you!!

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  • Parties and politicians come and go. But the senior civil servants that stay the same. Its those same servants that truly run (ruin?) the country. They need to be ousted along with the politicians, if there is ever to be true change.

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  • I have read your manifesto. A little wooly I would say. Pro job creation, pro children’s rights, pro European, pro Judiciary, pro Tourism, pro Agri Sector all without any real specifics. Can you think of a party that are anti any of these things? You did mention tax reform. Could you elaborate and give your position on corporation tax and the household charge? Kind regards.

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  • Good luck to you, I look forward to being convinced.

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  • Martin you must have been inspired by the “Audacity of Hope” in that you wrote a lot of words without saying very much. I have no idea on where you stand in the political spectrum and “anti corruption” is not really a platform of substance since Fianna Fáil are using it. I wish you all the best but I believe the majority of politicians enter the political arena with the best of intentions but soon realise the harsh compromises they have to take to get anything done. You should ask George Lee to join your party, think he had a similar mind set.

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    • Correction…you need to ask George Lee as to the real reason for his abrupt resignation from active political life . Most people never accepted the reason he gave at the time and all sorts of explanations but particularly his health keep emerging.

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    • Until we get a real reason from George Lee for resigning so abruptly from political life you should not include him in the start up of any new Party. Could you imagine the embarrassment of a repeat .!

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  • I realise sli nios fearr is just trying to get together and needs time to copper fasten it’s policies as these cannot arrive on overnight but think what he s trying to get at here is that everyone now has a fresh opportunity to put in their own ideas in shaping how this country is run .long overdue . If everyone on this page got involved we would all have a better country

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  • Wow. That’s exactly what F?s Nua said before the last election. Didn’t exactly have the electorate running to vote them in.

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    • I like da phrase “bunch of gob***** …..
      Cos thats exactly what they are,the lot of them..

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    • It’s difficult enough to get any kind of change in Ireland ,we need it now more than ever and people realise that so perhaps sticking with it for longer will prove to b a success.not sure fis nua had same policies they were more of a green party I thought.

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    • “Sli Nios Fearr undertakes to work towards a financial system based on the fundamentals of capitalism, where people can work, earn money, pay taxes and invest, whilst safe in the knowledge that all associated parties must and will operate in a morally and ethically accepted manner under laws and guidelines that protect all parties and the citizens of the country.”

      A cursory observation of capitalism would suggest that Sli Nios Fearr doesn’t know how it works.

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  • Richard our problems from capitalism comes from politicians meddling like they have in paying the bond holders .had u noticed that the so called boss class u refer to like the self employed can’t avail of social welfare ,think the line is too thin now to b left or right in ideology

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  • One thing that wasn’t mentioned. When we have political parties at present, we sometimes see it’s members given out to for voting against the party as a whole. What about free speech?
    If I was speaking my mind in work and was told to can it or lose my job I would honestly start looking for somewhere else to work.

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    • Jim 09/07/12 #

      That’s a little naive if you ask me Eoin.

      If you went to your boss with a suggestion and he/she rejected it, are you saying that you would then ignore that decision and just do what you want to do anyway? I think you’d find yourself out of a job fairly quickly in that case.

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    • So you’re currently out of work or in the public service?

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    • What p*****s me off greatly is when an elected politician here cant have any freedom of speech… its supposed to be a democracy and yet should that man/woman stand for his principles and not go with the main flow of the party on a vote, he is thrown out!! Ffs.. thats not democracy!
      How can you be principled or have a conscience when youre just a damned puppet

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    • Jim 09/07/12 #

      @Jeffrey – If you stand for election for a political party then you are a member of that party and you agree to bound by their rules and policies. You can speak out and many TDs do speak out on issues that they don’t agree with but ultimately you have agreed to support that party’s agenda and policies.

      On the other hand if you want to be able to say and vote whatever you want at any time then you stand as an Independent.

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    • Jim… In the UK, should you NOT agree with a policy and decide to vote against it… YOU DO NOT get thrown out of the party!!

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    • Jim 09/07/12 #

      Most people who vote against their party do not get thrown out of it in Ireland either. They have the party whip removed from them.

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    • Phillipa 10/07/12 #

      In Germany they don’t have the whip system so each person can vote as they see fit. To me this mean that the item being voted on needs to be able to stand on its own merits and cannot be bulldozed through as it is here. Most of our positions don’t even go to the debates they just turn up to the vote and press the button they have been told to push. This is not democracy to me. We need to open the debate about what type of democracy we now need in this country.

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  • With all due respect, a citizens charter is a fairly flimsy first agenda item for a political party. Sounds like an outcome of a talking shop – hopefully I’m wrong though. For balance should there not be a counter charter that voters will sign up to, affirming to take their responsibilities seriously and not keep electing muppets because ‘they got stuff for our town/parish/village’
    If the first focus of a new political party is to blame other politicians without focussing on those who elect politicians, it seems like same old same old. I look forward to being wrong though!

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    • I think we read a different column, I thought he was saying the responsibility lay with the electorate to change the status quo.

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    • Not really, you can have all the well meaning charters and policies you like, but the principle responsibility for our situation lies with those who do and don’t vote. Selfishness at the ballot begets selfishness in the Dáil. Short sightedness also. To me, a party that begins by asserting that politicians should be better, is a party that is being blown by the wind.

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    • Donncha, well then why not get yourself involved from the start and make things different? Why sit there making comments about it when you could be part of making a real change in this wonderful place, as before..At least this man is standing up and making an attempt? Writing comments on here achieves little.

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    • Mainly, because I am doing other things that I hope are achieving change. While being critical of their initial approach, I do wish them well. Am I not allowed to comment if I disagree?

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    • Of course you can comment just as I can.
      I think the premise is that writing on a public site opens it up to everyone to comment and possibly disagree? If we were all in agreement then surely nothing new would happen, we would never go forward and never learn.

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  • AD15 09/07/12 #

    With the constant politician bashing that goes on in response to arguments like this and else where I wonder when people will realise that the politicians are a fair representation of irish people as a whole. Sleeveens, vested interest, self-serving, cute hoors the lot of us. New party would inevitably go the same way unless it vetted members in such a way as would mean it isn’t actually representative of any credible portion of the electorate.

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  • Fair play to Mr Smitten a man of ACTION. not words. The only way to change the system is to work from the inside. I might go tmw..

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  • the quickest way to drastically change the mindset of politicians is to get rid of the high salary and all the perks that go with it, the cars, pensions before retirement age, travel and accommodation, expenses without receipts. we would soon see then which of our political candidates are really in it for the good of the country and who is their just for the cash. the only downfall of this idea is that in all probability there wouldn’t be enough of them left to form a Quorum.

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    • Well said Eric

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    • You could have a more decentralized system where citizens use computers to work together on social media such as Facebook/Twitter and this would work because terror groups, non-for-profit organizations and gangs of rioters organize themselves using networks like social media!
      There would be self-sufficient communities working together via cyberspace and there could be a President, Chancellor or Monarch that would represent the country at conferences, meetings and the like!!!!

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    • one major stumbling block Sean , half the country has no access to broad band and most of those that do have access can only get between 1-3 meg,so the system would soon overload and breakdown. again due to a lack of foresight by governments past and present the major infrastructure is not in place to bring the country into the competitive market.

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  • ive read all the comments here and I have to say im not surprised that people think its more of the same, but consider this- anyone elected takes the industrial wage- no perks etc, nice change eh? were trying to gather the brains of ireland from the business sector and SME’s- because thats where the jobs are created, for too long weve become spoonfed by europe and dependent on foreign multinational employment- which when it ends has devastating consequences for whole regions, a better approach is to grow indigenous industry, support irish business, reform the banking sector, open up credit facilities,ease the risk for people starting their own business when they come off social welfare, put the microscope on long term claimants, rationalise the civil service while respecting the frontline staff, prioritise spending and cull the wastefull talking shops and quangos,
    each member will be fully accountable and this system of following the party whip is frankly a non runner. this party will be made up from the electorate to respect the electorate, and frankly from the feedback on the ground the people of ireland are just so fed up with the same- election promises given with the fingers crossed behind the back, flagrant abuse of expenses and perks, and the treat at the end of a job in europe or a fat pension. so if you want to change this- this is the first step- policy should come from people who are up to their neck in reality and live in the real world. unfortunately leinster house seems to exist in a parallel universe happily insulated from real life . its time to change that so this is a first step, some may call it naive but whats the alternative? sit back and just keep taking it or actually put your money where your mouth is and put yourself in the firing line and try to change the systems that arent working. I for one am ready to give it a go………….. the press conference is in the Davenport hotel at 11am tommorow so please come along if youd like to get involved.

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    • To be brutally honest, none of that sounds that impressive. A mix of more of the same centre-right rhetoric that could have been lifted straight from the FF or FG manifestos and some poorly worked out ideas (your TDs will ‘fully accountable’ yet won’t be subject to a party whip? Howzatworkthen?)

      This whole project seems to rely on the idea the electorate will trust you to be more competent and more honest than other political parties, despite having no record to judge that by.

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    • Peter.. this country is on its knees… cant be much worse can it ..to use an old adage!

      Not a great day for me and this is really making angry reading such apathetic comments from probably couch potatoes.

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    • @potbelly, considering your reaction to those who disagree with you, maybe you should give the whole thing a miss. And ‘on our knees?’ – that’s just melodrama, we are some of the richest people in the world.

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    • I thought this was a discussion Peter.. Im just as able to disagree with you as you are with me! I think thats how we learn to take in things we possibly hadn’t thought of?
      Yes.. it is on its knees for the majority, maybe you’re one of the more fortunate ones who has plenty of money in the bank.
      Sadly Im one of the majority who is not a wealthy person, who struggles to make payments and keep my head above water.
      I see that this could be a better place is people learned the word EMPATHY and used it to make others more comfortable in life.
      Its ok to sit pretty with money as a cushion, but for those not sleeping because they’ve lost their jobs, cant pay the mortgage or feed their children.. its no joke and yes, for the majority it is on its knees.
      From the look of your photo without being patronising, you look very young and I doubt very much that you know what it feels like to have such things hanging over you..thats your stage in life but use that word empathy to good cause. Im not fighting with you.
      Dramatic? Yep, it needs a dramatic change.

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    • Apologies Peter.. I got that wrong.. that was to Donncha !!

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    • @potbelly, not sure who assumptions were directed to, but for me you have it all wrong. of course I empathize with your situation, but you said ‘the country is on its knees’ – go tell that to someone from Sudan and see what their reaction is. Also, I am happy to disagree with anyone, as long they don’t resort to disparaging remarks like ‘couch potato’ which while mild, is probably indicative of the level of political analysis you are bringing to the discussion, especially when viewed your other comments on this thread. I’ve seen TDs and councillors in action – most of them work bloody hard for very little thanks, and i’m also guessing most of their critics haven’t a clue as to the reality, and are happy to make sweeping generalisations that feel good but make no contribution to the common good. you are more than entitled to your anger, but my opinion point is the same – we need to focus that anger on why we have the politicians that we have – the voters. It’s much easier to break a window than look in the mirror.

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  • Best of luck with it Martin

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  • Do not put any of your candidates in Local Government, wait till the next General Election and make all the right noises! The rot starts at the local Government training ground and spreads upwards, to the Seanad and dail. So aim for the heart and kill the disease called Fg/labour/ff/sinnfein and lets get together and clean the mess ourselves!

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  • both sean mc kevitt and eric davies are right in everything they say- thats why sli nios fearr is intending to set the wages at industrial levels, no perks, cars, fat pensions, expenses etc- basically youre there to do a job! no golden handshakes, brown envelopes, hospitality tents etc etc that has given politics in this country such a bad reputation- the old wink wink village pump politics has to end somewhere and the climate is right for change……too many elected politicians are just taking up the reins from daddy and reaping the rewards- enough! the average person is suffering massive financial stress through bad decisions at government level that just did not take the regular irish person and the effects of the decisions into account. we all know this- and most of us have shouted at the tv or radio because of it, most of us are royaly ticked off because the people we voted in are not doing what they were elected to do!!!! time for change, and with 3 years till next election its fair to say that sli nios fearr will have some very smart people in the fold to give irish voters a decent alternative to the usual suspects. its not necessary at this stage to pidgeon hole or label which “side” youre on- left/right.

    as well as that unless youre supremely intelligent or chronically stupid its impossible to walk into the dail and hit the reset button- all political parties and independents have to work within the confines and constraints of the existing system to some extent- however- the grassroots feeling is that people want change- they thought thats what they were getting the last time only to be dissapointed so lets get it right this time- a credible alternative- starting from scratch but with smart people driving the ideas and business model with the countrys best interests at heart.

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  • Where do I sign ?

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  • Another policy-free party? No thanks.

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  • The greatest challenge that government TDs face is the civil service. Getting into government is the easy part but trying to work arounb senior civil servants who have been in the job for 30 years is the hard part. They do not like real change and wish to see the department to carry on as usual no matter who the Minister is.

    As for the whip system, in a perfect world this is one of the most democratic methods of representation. Every citizen is entitled to become a member of the party. Party policy is decided at Ard Fheis and then that parties elected reps must vote along those lines. If an elected rep steps out of line from party policy he/she is whipped into line by either the party whip or by the members at the next Ard Fheis. At election time a party goes to the people with a manifesto that outlines what they will and will not do and that is their contract with the people. What power do you have over a group of independents. They are elected every 5 years and they can vote along the lines of how they feel. The average citizen has no power to impact on their voting decisions until the next election and even then there is no obligation on the independent to vote the same as he/she promised you on your doorstep

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  • Ben Gunn 09/07/12 #

    It is not a new party that we need but a new electoral system. The present system forces candidates and TDs to focus almost entirely on local issues and electorates are so small that a candidate/TD can get to see most of them between elections.nnI heard recently that a public representative can expect over 10,000 calls a year from constituents looking for help with one thing or another. Effectively, our public representatives operate as quasi social workers and a public service complaints department. It is little wonder that they have no time or stomach for national issues.nnReduce the number of TDs to 120 elected by 40 single seat constituencies by simple majority. Electors would also have preference votes for registered political parties and the remaining 80 TDs would be selected from party lists in direct proportion to preference votes gained. Such a system would force TD/ candidates to focus on national issues, because they couldn’t possibly meet every voter (apart from Willy O’Dea) and come the next election the only issues will be how the kept their promises and their new manifesto promises.

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  • Marie get over ur self . If u can get so upset over a typo u would b better off staying in bed .big bad world very upsetting .such intolerance or just a lazy excuse not to b bothered

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    • Don’t underestimate the detriment such mistakes can have. We aren’t talking a typo on a random comment on a site. We’re talking a lack of care on a site that is attempting to instil a degree of competency into politics.

      Some will look at such things and ask themselves “If they can’t take the time to check their own website can we trust them to take care of an entire country?”

      We should hold Martin and his team to a high standard if we are to trust them with our futures.

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  • Party politics is the problem in ireland, another party is not going to fix that, people ignore issues and just just side with/attack opposition be it FF, FG or SF. Sadly independents gave shown remark he’s to be just as greedy and self indulgent. As said already, issue is extravagant expenses ontop of already bloated salaries,tds feel any penny spent should be reimbursable and salary is to top up bank balance, add to that ministerisl pensions despite continuing to work aftet losing power and ypu can.see why our political system is broken

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  • When the time omes and your new party gets into The Dail will you have a party whip system. IMO the party whip system is one of the major flaws of our so called republic. We cant expect our elected representatives to go against their constituents and many of them go against their personal views any longer.

    Will decisions such as weather to support a treaty or not be made by the leader of the party according to his own views, will the parliamentary party decide or will a party at long last ask every member to give their opinion. Every member should get a login name and a password to the parties website and its there decisions should be made and not by the few at the top.

    Reform of the Seanad was a topic during the last election, i have said before outright abolishing it would be a major mistake as the Dail will have free reign. How about have a second house but elect it every two years and put a limit of one term per person serving in it and even maybe limit it to people under 30 years of age. This way we will have a constant flow of young fresh ideas and with no party whip system we can see who is in it to serve the people and who is only out for themselves.

    Merge county councils one local authority per election Constituency is more than enough and give them more power. That would do away with the parish pump boys in the national parliament . Then the amount of TDS , senators and county councilors ccould be cut therefore saving expenses.

    A new state body controlling whatever oil or gas is found of our coast, recruit the best specialists in the world whatever the cost and instead of selling it to shell for nothing, the new body could sell it on the international markets and sell it to the people of Ireland for cheaper.Cheaper fuel would attract business to this country.
    This would create billions of euro which in turn could get the IMF of our backs a hell of a lot quicker.

    There is 5 quick ideas which i feel would greatly improve this country and confidence we have in politics.

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  • The next time I’m promised something by a politician I’m going to ask them to sign a contract. If they refuse to do so then they lose my vote, if they accept and break the contract then I sue the hind legs off the swine.

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  • I followed the link to Sli Nios Fearr and saw the third article down begins with the words ’10 Common Sence Reasons…’

    Enough read.

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  • Damocles 09/07/12 #

    One question that doesn’t seem to get asked is why do we need two tiers of local government in such a small country? Also, given the size of the country couldn’t local and national government be more integrated so that we have a more unified single level of government?

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    • I have to agree, what do our local councillors and councils actually do? Is it just more jobs for the boys/girls, the dail make the laws and overpay themselves. So besides passing budgets and bye-laws every year, what do councillors do?

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  • Looks like pure populist rubbish tbh. I’ll stick to the auld socialism cheers.

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  • MAST 09/07/12 #

    Martin Critten is big on idealism but his article contains no new suggestions. Ireland needs to reduce the cost of government now, this week and immediately!
    Halve our number of TDs this year, through an emergency general election with new electoral areas.
    Radically overhaul our Civil & Public Services, (CPS), wage structure to fairly reflect the state of the nation’s finances.
    Re-educate the CPS regarding the meaning of the term; Public Servant.
    A clean sweep at the top of all departments and Local Authorities.
    Their replacements will have proven manangement & people skills & must introduce intelligent, integrated work practices & services in consultation with the populace. I could go on.

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  • They seem to be a Centrist party in the same vain as the US Democrats (pre-Carter). They have thrown in a healthy dash of “people power” rhetoric and are fond of the word “citizen” so as not to come across as overtly capitalist in the neoliberal sense. To give them a political position I would say they are Lemass-esque Fianna Failers (without the corruption).

    While I would personally like to see an end to the Westminster style confrontational politics and a move towards a Scandinavian model of bipartisan cooperation, the whip system is an essential component of the political realities in this state.

    In terms of health, justice and education they are considerably more Right Wing, which I do not think is a positive and would invariably lead them down the same road as the other Right Wing Parties of FF and FG.

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    • And the people u do have records on Peter don’t perform .are u more secure with that.give something new a chance or change will never come about

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    • Jim 09/07/12 #

      Antóin is simply pointing out that the policies espoused by the proposed new party are just a mix of what’s already there from a number of existing parties. How do you know that these people will honour any promise they make?

      I’m sorry but all this talk of reform and new politics sounds very naive. In fact I think I’ve heard this sort of stuff every few years since the 1980s. The simple fact about politics is that its one thing to have high ideals and great sounding policies when you are sitting on the opposition benches and never have to actually do anything. Its another thing completely when you find that you can’t implement some/most/any of those promises and end up in the endless round of compromise that Government actually is. The Greens found this out to their cost when they went into power with FF.

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  • The Irish Democratic Partty (idp.ie) at least are making an effort to turn the old game of musical chairs with FF and FG.
    Its about time. We have been playing musical chairs with the same old parties and the same old thinking.

    The problem is that the likes of FG (and Labour seeing as they are in now partnership with them) as with FF who had been previous stick in old mentality and way of thinking, is that they are still clinging onto the idea that austerity is the way to go and little else.

    Example!
    Even in Europe, along with eventually Germany and Merkel (grudgingly), they have admitted that austerity is now not the only way to go if the economies of the Euro are to pull themselves up.
    …But what are FG and Labour refusing to still do? See this!

    Rather than admit that they might be choosing a wrong or even partly wrong process of reviving the country, they in refusing to chose alternative methods and thinking, are still clinging onto old ways of doing things in an old state, going nowhere mentality.

    The fact also is that its widely accepted that one just cannot too, tax ones ways out of an economic downturn.
    Also just because something exists, don’t mean that its too should be taxed!
    “Something exits? Lets tax it!”
    Many years ago, an English King (to finance this wars) tried the same tactics – and he too eventually was showed the error of his ways. Sadly the peasants of the time were the ones that paid the price (literally) and ended up starving.

    As the FT describes it (
    “The problem is that austerity prompts strikes and slowdowns, which, in turn, shrink the domestic market, investment and tax receipts. As unemployment spreads and wages fall, mortgage arrears and defaults soar. Property prices have plunged too. Some business owners are even now taking a novel approach to escaping their debts: emigration.”
    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/337fef82-89f7-11df-bd30-00144feab49a.html#axzz206xX0WUW

    Sound familiar?
    …And whats FG and Labours STILL response – more austerity!

    Great lads – great bloody thinking!
    (Not!)

    Another quote:
    “Olli Rehn, the EU’s commissioner for economic and monetary affairs, says Europe needs to get the balance right between cutting debt and stimulating growth.
    “Fiscal consolidation, while necessary, [needs to be] done in a growth-friendly and differentiated way, in order to strike a balance between necessary fiscal consolidation and concerns for growth,” he says.”
    Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17980926

    ..But because partly we are still playing musical chairs with the same old parties with the same old thinking, we are still stuck and suffering with the same old ways …and the emigration continues.

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  • What Ireland needs is a sovereignist party like UKIP or the Front National. Let’s cut the nonsense and acknowledge there is no longer any right and left divide or FG/FF opposition. XXI century politics is about sovereignist and neo nationalists standing up to federalists and globalists.

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    • The people are being stabbed in the back by parasites and these are the bankers, music producers (Simon Cowell) and politicians, if computers can be used in this backward country then there should be a strong government that tells the leeches where they can F*** off to!!!!!!!!!

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  • Good idea Sean and then we could have a fiasco like ulster bank and we d all f—up

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    • Eilish the r.b.s /ulster bank fiasco has a lot more behind it than a computer glitch, the truth of what happened is not yet fully known but many people including myself think there is more to this than meets the eye (to coin a phrase) the basis of Sean idea is a good one, why send political representatives halfway around the world at huge expense to the tax payer ( especially when the country is skint) when he/she could plug in a laptop and hold the meeting online (yet again the only problem here is that Ireland broadband system is crap) but video or online conferencing is the way forward, for example why when online conferencing is available do we still send political reps on flights around the globe to discuss global warming and carbon footprints, the meeting its self does more damage than they could resolve. we need to look to future technologies and be in the forefront if we want to get this country back on its feet again, looking back will not move us forward.

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  • I wish the people who are still talking about ‘getting a new political paty’ or’ throwing out the shower that are in’, would cop on and realise that it is too late to be thinking like this now. When we had a country and sovereignty and working banks and a genuine say, we didn’t bother or we voted for our own little square patch when we should have been looking at the bigger picture and listened to those who were trying to make us aware of where we were going. Fine Gael, Labour and all the other rainbow of politicians who were elected the last time thought they could do something only to find that the horse had bolted. When they went in, they discovered the truth, that they can’t do anything only what the masters tell them they can do. We are now well on our way to being governed by a one world government and people are still talking as if nothing has happened. They will not open their eyes and realise that we are in a mess of our own making. We went full steam ahead into Europe without questioning and anywone who did question where we were going was referred as a Euro Sceptic or against Europe. Now we know we should not have been so quick to vote for various treaties and especially we should not have bowed when we were sent back to do what we were told (Lisbon and Nice). We should know by now that there is something afoot other than a poor economy. Measures are being brought in as we speak so that outsiders can have more and more control over us and while Sinn Fein was busy fighting for the six counties in Northern Ireland, Europe was taking over the twenty six counties. It doesn’t matter who goes into government now, there is no money and people cant get blood from a stone even it they wanted to.

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  • “rite of passage”

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  • Mighty job, super feckin job and fair deuce to you Mr Critten. So off you go on your tour of promising what major changes you will make to today’s wreck and ruin of a government filled with dimwits. Shake the hands, kiss the babies, shout from the parish pump corner. Come voting day, I will vote for you, for change………you will sit in your big office full of big ideas and then you will meet them…………….THE CIVIL SERVANTS……….and then they will till you what you cannot do which will be quite a lot and wait for it, they will tell you what you can do which will amount to SWEET FANNY ADAMS…………..

    GET RID OF HALF THE CIVIL SERVANTS AND ALL THE QUANGOES

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  • Restating the obvious over and over is not suggestive of any political abilities. The hot air will inflate egos but it will not entice the public to vote for “the new way” because it walks and talks like a duck.

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  • We should and i mean all stand for politics in the Next General election and F%$k it all up, And if you get in your on the Pigs back. Give it a go

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  • ?

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  • I read this article, went to the website and read the policy and most other pages there. At the end of that I am left with three impressions:

    1. This is a genuine attempt to effect change and there is obviously sincere intent behind it. However the policy page reads more like a rag-bag wish list collected from a random group of people of vastly varied political outlook. There is no focus there.

    2. A good number of the policies don’t really bear much scrutiny.

    Quite a few are wishy-washy (‘Open up the countryside to increase tourism’); some are sensible but not easily implemented (‘No one going to A&E for GP style illnesses’);some can’t be done unilaterally (‘Immediate separation of Bank Debt from sovereign Debt’); some seem to pander to paranoia (‘Garda security for the tamper-proof sealing and subsequent transportation of all Election Boxes – and abolish the use of the pencil.’); and some are certainly controversial (‘Electable Public Prosecutors and Judges’).

    Overall the policies seemed to me to be populist and unfocused and I didn’t get any impression of a realistic and coherent whole capable of offering any real solutions.

    3. The article and the site are filled with poorly constructed and/or grammatically incorrect sentences. There are also several places where words are misused or where the actually meaning of the word is obviously not understood.

    This may seem like a picky comment to make, but most of these are very basic errors and it repeatedly annoyed me while reading. This sort of lack of attention to detail in presenting the case appeared to me to be reflective of a similar lack of rigour in policy formulation.

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  • We need fewer parties in Ireland, not more. To me a significant part of the problem is that the sociopolitical oxygen is used up by too many parties that are too similar to each other and simply argue about personalities. There needs to be a reconciliation of the existing groups into a few properly distinct parties and *then* we can worry about whether there’s any significant area of the political spectrum unrepresented.

    What we don’t need is another centre-right party which only distinction is “We’re not FF or FG or the PDs (godresttheirsouls) or even the Greens…”

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    • Peter youre sooo right. “We need fewer parties in Ireland”

      Simple then get rid of the dead wood..ie all the failed parties and start anew. Maybe you could join it and put all your good ideas into action instead of just writing on here.

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  • Richard 09/07/12 #

    In its ‘positional statements’ page, ‘Sli Nios Fearr’ undertakes to work towards a financial system based on the fundamentals of capitalism’

    But the present financial system *is* based on the fundamentals of capitalism: that’s the problem. The crises of the current financial system are but symptoms of the disease of capitalism: the perpetual conflict between the interests of the boss class and those of workers.

    I notice there’s no mention in the positional statements of anything to do with worker rights and protections. That’s not surprising, because the reigning political orthodoxy, in which this latest effort at quixotic reinvention of the bourgeois-democratic wheel is steeped, excludes these things from any consideration, apart from when the boss class deems it necessary to mobilise public opinion against them.

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  • ah new political party would not change anything , we’d still have the nod-wink, brown-envelope, jobs for the boys , look after your friends, expenses/fat pensions/golden handshakes , Lies/spin/bullshit Politics that currently goes on

    Its a new Political/ public sector system that is needed

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