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Runaway British teen heads home, teacher in French prison

Megan Stammers and her 30-year-old maths teacher Jeremy Forrest were found in France yesterday.

Megan Stammers
Megan Stammers
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A 15-YEAR-OLD BRITISH schoolgirl who ran away to France with a married teacher was expected to return home later today, while the arrested man was in prison awaiting extradition.

Jeremy Forrest, a 30-year-old maths teacher, was being held in the Gradignan prison in southwest France after his arrest in Bordeaux yesterday on suspicion of abducting Megan Stammers.

He is awaiting a court hearing on Tuesday which will decide whether to extradite him to Britain, and has said he will not oppose being handed over to British authorities, according to his lawyer Daniel Lalanne.

Forrest, seen by a witness Friday evening in the corridor of a Bordeaux court without handcuffs and “a long face”, surrounded by police, was “very disappointed by the sudden brake put on his romance,” Lalanne said. He added:

He is not on the run, he was arrested while he was in Bordeaux looking for work in order to carry on his romance in a country that might be more understanding.

Under French law, a 15-year-old is not considered a minor in sexual terms, unlike in Britain, where the age of consent is 16.

Lalanne, who saw Forrest early Saturday along with British lawyer Henrietta Ronson, added that Forrest was not depressed. He had been well treated by French authorities and in prison, he said.

He described Forrest as “charming”, seeming younger than his age and “very self-effacing.”

How they were caught

Meanwhile, British media have reported that Stammers’s mother Danielle Wilson has gone to Bordeaux to bring her home.

French authorities have only said that the teenager would be handed over to her family “as soon as possible”, without explaining how or when that would take place.

The pair were discovered strolling down Bordeaux’s main shopping street after a member of the public recognised Forrest from media coverage of the runaways.

The manager of a hotel in Bordeaux where the couple stayed one night said they were “discreet” and “not particularly amorous”.

“They arrived on 21 September late afternoon and left Saturday morning but I did not know at all that they were illegal,” said Eric, the hotel manager who did not want to give his full name.

‘She didn’t look 15′

The manager said Forrest, who spoke a few words of French, registered under the name of “Jack Grant” and that he never thought Stammers was a minor.

“She didn’t look 15 years old, but rather 18 to 20 while he seemed a bit younger than 30,” Eric said.

“What intrigued me was that he came in alone, booked a double room and when I asked him where she was he told me, ‘She’s waiting outside’, which is not how things are done generally,” he added.

When they checked out the following morning, paying cash, the manager said he saw them for a short while in the lobby but “they didn’t talk a lot to each other.”

Prosecutors emphasised that French police were not investigating the case but simply carrying out an international arrest warrant issued by British authorities.

The pair had not been seen since boarding a cross-Channel ferry together on 20 September. CCTV pictures were released of them holding hands and walking arm in arm aboard the ferry from Dover to the northern French port of Calais.

Their parents had appealed for them to get in touch but played down fears that the schoolgirl could be in any danger.

There was never any suggestion that Stammers was taken by Forrest against her will.

French authorities had been accused by the British media of failing to take her disappearance seriously after some judicial officials were quoted as saying the couple were not being actively looked for.

While Stammers is not considered a minor sexually, Forrest could be deemed to have committed a crime in France if he was found to have abused the position of authority he had as her teacher.

The teacher, who plays in a rock band under the stage name Jeremy Ayre and has a wife aged 31, had hinted at a “moral dilemma” on his blog four months ago.

France has open borders with Spain, Germany, Italy, Belgium, Switzerland and Luxembourg under the Schengen Agreement, which had raised speculation that the pair might have moved on across the continent.

Previously: Missing schoolgirl Megan Stammers and teacher found in France >

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Comments (75 Comments)

  • Bet she’s in for the mother of all groundings..

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  • Paul 29/09/12 #

    He’s a deluded fool and she’s immature. It’s the Wife at home I feel sorry for

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  • What an idiot, a midlife crisis he’ll life to regret!

    Shoulda just bought a motorbike..

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  • All I can say is school trips have come a long way since my school days

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  • If it’s “love” and there’s nothing wrong with it then why take her away to France?? Why not leave his wife properly get his life in order and wait till she’s 16??? If true love know’s no age then ur shouldn’t know time either !!

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  • When does she turn 16? Surely they could have waited a few months?

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  • I wonder if he thinks she ll visit him when he s in prison…be interesting to see how far their love goes then

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  • Redcaff 29/09/12 #

    He’s a maths teacher? This doesn’t add up.

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  • Some people saying a 15yr old is not a child is just disgraceful.In the eyes of the law she’s a minor and it doesn’t matter what people think.The law is very clear and the 30yr old teacher should have the book thrown at him. Most 25yr olds are still maturing mentally let alone 15yr olds.It’s downright wrong what he done its taking advantage of his position (duty of care) and no matter how “romantic” some people try make it sound its still a form of abuse and against the law.

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    • Well said James….it’s amazing how many people have disagreed with my comments. She is a child but others dont seem to see it that way….she may have willingly went with him….in her lovesick and immature mind I’m sure she thought it was love. Him on the other hand knew exactly what he was doing was very wrong.

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    • No it is not abuse because she was willing to go.He did not force her to do so.Were she 18-only 3 years older nobody would know the story.She was nearly 16 not 8.

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    • @Caroline, what if she was 12, only 3 years younger, would that be ok too? I mean like, at what age are you suggesting a student is old enough to have a relationship with their teacher?

      School is for learning, not for dating teachers.

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  • Look I think we need to look at this in this way. He had a position as a teacher of power and was in fact a person who was in charge of duty of care towards this girl . He abused this power and in doing so in the eyes of the law held an illegal relationship with a student and a minor. She may have willingly went with him but the fact he is the adult in the relationship means the onus was on him and not her. Teenagers don’t think clearly and she was flattered by the attention of an older man. He used his position of authority to seduce her and not only that take her out of the country without parental consent.

    What he did was wrong and his role as an educator has to be seriously put into question. He abused his power and as an educator he should be ashamed of himself for what he did.

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  • Chuck you’re an idiot!

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  • “When I was a boy of fourteen my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty one, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years”. Peace to you.

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  • I don’t have a problem with his being 30 and her being 15. My father is 13 years older than my mother and they met when she was 15. They’ll be 34 years married tomorrow. Age is irrelevant. She chose to go. She’s 15 not 5. She’s not a child. When I was 15 I certainly knew my own mind and what I wanted from life. However, he was married and I think his wife is the true victim here.

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  • Chuck . . He was her bloody teacher . . . Do you not see a problem with this picture? I have to be honest, I find it quite disturbing all round. She is 15 and I’m sorry she’s a child. He is a grown adult man. She’s not allowed vote buy alcohol, and a whole lot of other things. And as for it been a private matter . No. its not. He broke the law. If it was your daughter who ran off with her teacher, would you have the same opinion that its a private matter! don’t think so!

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  • Can’t believe how laid back people are about this….it’s not ok. That teacher is disgusting and should be ashamed of himself. What the hell does he want with a 15 yr old girl…..love my ass…pervert!!!!

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    • I’m seriously concerned that so many people disagree with your comment, I truly am afraid of the world my grandchildren will be born into, I remember my dad saying to me a few yrs ago that he wasn’t sorry his time was nearly up because things were so messed up and backwards, , he passed a few months ago, there surely is truth in another thing he taught me, wisdom only comes with age

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  • because she IS a child. and maybe she knew it was wrong. but HE IS the adult. And he defiantly knew it was wrong. And at 15, you think you know everything and that your right and the rest of the world around you is wrong.

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  • I’m sure if it was your 15 yr old girl that was taken to another country by a 30 yr old man you might not be so understanding. Shes not even at the legal age to have sex yet….Pervert is def a good description for him!!!

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    • Geraldine if she were my 15 I wouldn’t have put her in a position were she felt she had to leave to leave the country rather than talk to me…

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    • Woah!!! No-one knows whether her parents are good or bad! Unfair comment Gemma! Pervert or not, he broke the law and cheated on his wife. And now he will pay for his adult and informed choice. I for one do not pity him.

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    • Geraldine, u say she was taken as if she was kidnap, didu see the pics of them on the ferry? She looked quite happy holding on to his hand and hugging each other, she knew exactly that wat she was doing was not right tbat is why she did not ring back home or anything, and to be honest he did not act right but hope she gets a punishment too for what she did and maybe then other teenagers will stop doing the same! It’s not only his fUlt, she doesn’t look like a saint to me either….

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    • Forgive me but while I admit he has done wrong I do think that a certain onus has to be put on her as well. She also made a choice. She too knew that in carrying on a relationship with him she was allowing him to break the law. She, in the end, chose to go with him yet she faces no repercussions for her “choices”….

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    • Micheal 29/09/12 #

      You have children Gemma? You were a teenager once, yes? I’m sure you know, no matter how open you try to be with a teen, you don’t always get the desired affects. Teens don’t talk at the best of times, never mind when there are relationship issues at hand. It’s easy to say “if she were mine”, until you have children, until you know what it’s like as a parent to wake up and for not to know where your child is (yes, child, because in your eyes that’s what they always will be), you just pipe down with the model parent mantra.
      None of us come with manuals, or instructions, or algorithms, we are all different, the same goes for the teenagers amongst us – you might have been gods gift to mental stability as an adolescent, but most adolescents wouldn’t know what the phrase meant if it were standing stably in front of them.

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  • I tell ya, I’m glad I grew up in a world of wanderly wagon , ET movies and hot natural summers, the fukn flouride has a lot to answer for, and now they call for a lithium additive… Oh man, tis really bad, dylan, floyd, lennon , wainwright.. Please come back, yer man Beiber has our babies screwed…

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  • IF YOU THINK YOU KNEW EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANTED, OR THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RIGHT AND WRONG ETC. WHEN YOU WERE FIFTEEN THEN NOT ONLY WERE YOU FOOLISH THEN BUT YOU’RE STILL FOOLISH

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  • But she’s not whiter than white either. She may be a minor in the eyes of the law but I doubt she’s thick stupid. She decided to go with him and I don’t believe this hogwash that she was some poor lovesick brainwashed little girl. Fact of the matter is it takes two to tango and she’s as guilty as he is.

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  • Why do u all put her as a child? When i was 15 I knew exactly what was wrong and what was right, she left with that guy knowing it was not right, she never told her parents because she knew it was wrong, he is 30 and married and he did nothing right but she is not an angel! It’s obvious sje ks a problematic kid or she would have never done that in the first place and she doesnt love him that much or she would have waited to be 16 knowing he was going to get into trouble whiles she will just get back home and carry on with her life

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  • Storm in a teacup

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  • This is normal natural behaviour. Why has there been such a fuss about something normal? So much waste of time, effort, money and above all the antiquated Law trying to pursue something to make a point. Does that make France and Spain amoral for having ages 15 and 13 the age of consent ? This girl was in love. She wasn’t manipulated. There was no magic spell cast on her. There were no drugs, alcohol or abuse involved. She agreed and seemed quite happy to elope with him. Why are we all so shocked ? Teens are doing this all the time ! They are very good at hiding this from their parents because they know what would happen if the law found out or if their parents knew. Our laws are very very outdated. It is time we teenagers got together and demanded that we have rules that suit us and NOT those that dictate how we live our lives. No matter what laws exist, Love will prevail. Hope this story is an eye opener for those law makers. We need a change. Dont waste your time trying to chaperone us. Already teenagers are subject to too much scrutiny and supervision. Then we have laws that determine how we conduct our love and sex lives. Is it a wonder why teens take such drastic steps to do what they want??

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    • Maria 29/09/12 #

      No offence but that comment is typical of a teenager. My 15 year old self might have wholeheartedly agreed with you. however There is a massive difference between a 30 year old man and a 15 year old girl. Imagine the power dynamics in that relationship – particularly since he was her teacher!. One would have to also question Wtf was wrong with him that he was attracted to a young teenager in the first place and that he acted on it!

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    • I agree with Maria. There is a reason that the law makes an age distinction between an adult and a child. The same applies to the age of sexual consent. The primary reason is that teenagers are ordinarily not mentally or emotionally mature enough to be given the complete run of themselves. A thirty year old teacher on the other hand…

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    • Good girl Amelie, spoken like a true teenager, I remember been your age and the knowledge I had of life , not to mention the utmost respect I had for my parents brought tears of pride to their eyes. There were so many things I could have done back then , alas has I turned 20 that wisdom seemed to disappear , but hey I’m not complaining. Now folks , contained within the UNCRC which the yes campaign in the childrens rights referendum champion is an article that gaurantees the child freedom of association, so just for a moment imagine little 13yr old Aoife has a crush on her 43 year old handsome science teacher and they decided to elope to say Spain, will any laws have been broken?. In a word NO, it will be perfectly legal and to force said Aoife back to her parents will be an infringement of her rights, after all freedom of association recognises no boundries, please study the UNCRC before making a decision on how you are going to vote, for once our constitution is amended what ever protection it offers will be lost forever , let’s allow our children to be just that for as long as is reasonably possible , vote NO

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    • Maria, that same logic could be applied to a smart person and a stupid person, or a rich person and a very poor person

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    • Well said.i did fall in love at age 16 with a much older man…..whom I married 5 years later.

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    • Maria 29/09/12 #

      Chuck – fair point perhaps. Except in this case it is against the law – partly I imagine for the very reasons I outlined. There is the issue of the girl’s physical maturity as well as emotional maturity. Also in the scenarios you presented there wouldn’t likely be any issue of extremely worried parents.

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    • Maria 29/09/12 #

      Caroline – I assume thar he wasn’t your teacher, that he wasn’t married, that you didn’t run away with him leaving distraught parents behind you, that you didn’t break any laws and that your relationship didn’t make international headlines?

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    • joanne 29/09/12 #

      Amelie everyone was being so nice to you with your comment. What they really want to say and il say it is ….your an idiot and your comment proves you shouldn’t be let make your own decisions at your age about things like this. Foolish girl. Be careful out there. Have a bad feeling.

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    • @Maria “..he wasn’t your teacher, that he wasn’t married, that you didn’t run away with him leaving distraught parents behind you, that you didn’t break any laws and that your relationship didn’t make international headlines”
      Whatever about the legal/ moral issues in being her teacher, being married and breaking laws I don’t think making international headlines is especially awful….
      Also I’m not sure that leaving distraught parents behind is something to be condemned; regretted yes, but if the bar for acceptable standards of behaviour is set at upsetting parents we might all find ourselves not doing things we should.

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    • @maria@kitty: There is a lot of hysteria about the age of consent and the very different ages that are applied around the world show that there are also very different ideas about when people are old enough – it is not so long ago that a girl could get married in Ireland at the age of 14. I do think we need to acknowledge that kids as young as 13 are engaging in sexual activity and regardless of what the law says they will. Society is not improved by criminalising these kids or by criminalising the boys and not criminalising the girls. The kind of regime that exists in a place liker Finland for example that does not prosecute kids whose age difference is less than two years and a more rigorous sex and relationships education programme need to be looked at. As the father of teenagers (boys and girls) I only hope that the education they have had at home means that they are properly respectful of all the people they come in contact with and that they protect themselves in every way possible.

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    • PS: I am not in any sense condoning what this idioy maths teacher did – I assume he will now be prevented from having any contact with children and will have to find a new way of living once he gets out of jail.

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    • Steve 30/09/12 #

      This Amelie is more likely a middle-aged pedo than a teenage girl

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  • Gemma maybe so. But I still think no matter what, he did know better. And who knows what kinda life she’s had or influences or so on. And you are right that it takes two. But like I said He is the adult or supposedly so and he definitely knew it was wrong. From the very first time he put his hands on her.

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  • So many have criticised my remarks I made and have called me a fool.
    Let me ask you how does a 15 yr old at midnight and a second past midnight on her 16th birthday suddenly transform magically into an adult?? Do you think age is a good way of defining who is and isnt a child?? Don’t you think it is too simplistic and there are more complex ways of deciding who can be or can’t be considered a child? Many 15 yr olds are far more mature these days than you think. I agree the laws are there to protect or at least try and protect those who are “vulnerable”
    When those parents and grandparents say their 15 yr old is a child, in essence you are labelling her as dumb and naive, incapable of making choices with all the information, media hype, knowledge etc etc that exists out there.
    If you believe that, why dont you as a parent/ grandparent confront your 15 yr old child/ grandchild and tell them exactly that..that they are too naive, brainless and dumb and the law is going to control them and make their minds up for them.
    Do you think the existing laws deterred or protected megan ? NO.. it didnt. In fact they planned their elopement very well. It was consensual. Laws don’t work. Love will never respect man made laws. Biological needs will survive any adversity.
    So, what do you do now all you do gooders, police all ports and airports to try and prevent such relationships from taking place?? Doesn’t anyone get it??
    Why not start distributing chastity belts ? Do you knw how many young girls take the ferry from dublin to go to liverpool to have an abortion? What a false society you live in. Shame on you all.
    Remember this girl was never abused by the man. There were no drugs or alcohol involved.
    Until you start accepting that such things will happen, al of you are setting yourselves up for disappointment.

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  • @Noel Cronin I think 16 years old is old enough to have a relationship with anyone .12 is far too young.

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  • I dont disagree that a child should be allowed to be a child. No one denies that. There are laws, antiquated ideas, parental influences, societal values etc etc and much more to maintain that.
    On the flip side I totally disagree with laws that prevent those who want to break out and stop being “a child”
    Those who choose to do that should have the right to do that without society and the law judging them.
    Charles in an earlier comment brought to everyones notice that what Mark Twain once said. What I say to charles is that we have moved from those times. We have internet, technology, media, magazines and so many other influences along with the fact that we as teens are developing physically and emotionally faster than ever before.
    We understand the bad that exists and we take chances knowing there is an element of risk. Don’t think we are dumb and that we need people like you to control and dominate even our basic feelings and emotions.
    Sorry to say, some children aren’t children anymore. Deal with that. Get used to the idea. Be objective and dont use emotive rhetoric or outdated quotes to substantiate your point.

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  • This is a sick comment :(

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  • Nobody has mentioned thus far the lack of a father figure in the child’s life and the likelihood of her craving the approval of a male figure. This teacher is disgusting and deserves the book thrown at him. The likelihood of this happening had she had a loving, concerned father actively involved in her life is, I dare say, negligible.

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  • The hypocrisy involved here is unbelievable.

    How long will the UK continue to export it’s ephebophile teachers? How long will couples like this have to travel abroad for what is a private matter? UK teachers want safe, legal access to their students. I don’t see why a bunch of feminist zealots get to put their values on other people’s bodies. Don’t like teacher-student love affairs? Then don’t have one! But keep your laws off my body!

    What’s really sickening is that once they reach 18 you people don’t care about them at all…..

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  • Yes Charlie Timmins, now reading your views I definitely understand why we need laws….to protect people like you who havent matured enough to make an objective argument but who make sweeping statements like yours. Don’t judge me and all mature 15 yr olds by your standards. Open your eyes. Have an open mind. I am not foolish and certainly not as narrow minded as you.
    I have 4 friends who have been in relationships with much older guys ( when they were 14!! guys twice their age. Guys their own age never once appealed to them!!), now they are 18, have achieved great scores in school and are pursuing professional studies. They still are in those relationships.
    Their relationships never once harmed them. But if they had to continue living with their screwed up families they surely would have failed miserably in their lives.

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    • I agree.People do not want to hear our opinions because it makes waves in their conservative seas.

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    • Amelie what do you suggest? Lower the age of consent to 13/14?? Or permit 15 year olds who deem themselves “sufficiently mature” to engage in sexual activity with adults??? (>18) #enough said. You may think that right now, no person could possibly know more, or be more mature than you are now, but reflect upon your comments in a few years, or when you become a parent and I suspect you might feel differently

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