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Russia faces protests over ‘gay propaganda’ law

An LGBT activist is detained during protests in St Petersburg earlier this month
An LGBT activist is detained during protests in St Petersburg earlier this month
Image: Dmitry Lovetsky/AP/Press Association Images

A PROPOSED LAW banning ‘gay propaganda’ in the Russian city of St Petersburg has sparked reaction across the world.

Legislators in the city have temporarily shelved the bill, which would impose possible fines of more than €1,000 on all “public activities promoting sodomy, lesbianism, bisexuality and transgender identity”, RIA Novosti reports.

The US State Department is among those who have protested at the legislation. A spokesperson said the department was “deeply concerned” at the developments, adding: “As Secretary Clinton has said, gay rights are human rights and human rights are gay rights.”

“We have called on Russian officials to safeguard these freedoms, and to foster an environment which promotes respect for the rights of all citizens,” the spokesperson continued.

The speaker of Russia’s upper house of parliament has said the law could be rolled out across the country after its adoption in St Petersburg, Russia Today reports.

One St Petersburg deputy said recently that the promotion of homosexuality “puts the Russian people under threat of extinction”, according to RIA Novosti, while the bill’s author insisted: “The rising popularity of sexual deviations negatively affects our children.”

The leader of a Russian LGBT group said the bill was part of a cynical campaign to boost popularity of the United Russia party associated with president Vladimir Putin, whose popularity has been sliding recently.

City politicians will now reword the bill before it is presented again. Its first reading sparked street protests in the city, and galvanised international LGBT groups to launch an online petition against the proposed law.

More than 190,000 people have signed the petition so far.

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  • Aisling Walsh 24/11/11 #
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    This isn’t just about parades – it’s a law against any positive,public show of support for gay people. This means books, newspapers, tv – anything! Unimaginable in this day and age… poor people

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    • Alex simon 24/11/11 #
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      Most parents while they might accept a Gay child they dont bring them up thinking they will be Gay, A Father will always think his son will find a wife, have kids etc… I don’t see any benefit promoting a gay culture, while I respect Gay people, I don’t think society should bend over backward for them.. Why Gay people want labels on them is beyond me.

    • Aisling Walsh 24/11/11 #
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      Alex the fact that you’re unwilling to show your face in your comment proves that you know that this opinion is backwards and hurtful. Any parent who TRULY loves their child will always accept them.

      I’m assuming this ‘gay culture’ you speak is your simple-minded assumption that every gay person is someone who walks around half naked in a parade once a year? My brother is a consultant and his husband (married in Canada , though legally only a civil-partner in Ireland) is a doctor and don’t meet that narrow stereotype. While they don’t expect society to ‘bend over backwards for them’ they do expect equal rights in tax, inheritance and health care. At the moment under their civil partnership if my brother was in an accident and ended up in coma we would have to invite his husband into the room if doctors said only family were allowed. The benefits of being able to have freedom of speech and assembly aren’t about promoting any culture they allow people to highlight inequalities and try to make the world a better place for the next generation. Maybe though you could just try to expand your opinion and understanding of the world to join those of us in this generation?

  • Peter Carroll 24/11/11 #
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    This is such a ridiculous statement:

    One St Petersburg deputy said recently that the promotion of homosexuality “puts the Russian people under threat of extinction”

    Moron!

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  • Mark Downes 24/11/11 #
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    Please do not feed the trolls

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    • angryzes 24/11/11 #
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      I think – the best way is to turn off comments, that way you will never hear an opinion different from yours.

  • Aisling Walsh 24/11/11 #
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    Niall are you being sarcastic? It’s hard to tell as most people wouldn’t say something like that with their name attached to it

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  • Sean C 24/11/11 #
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    He’s a troll, just back away slowly and avoid eye contact.

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  • Aidan Coughlan 24/11/11 #
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    @Niall can you hear me all the back there in the 1950s ????

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  • Ronan Mooney 24/11/11 #
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    Half a century ago a government created laws specifically designed to stop minorities from having their say, preventing human rights and civil right from being exercised and which led to the persecution of millions because of religion, disability, sexual orientation etc. To think this could never happen again is foolish. Humans are very advanced when it comes to the killing of each other.

    What the Russian government is doing walks in the foot prints of dictators and governments before who have benefited from demonising minorities to prop-up their own power. Our Government which includes a Labour party who have said that human rights are paramount to them need to send as strong a message to Russia as the message we sent to the Vatican. This behaviour by a Government is unethical, potentially criminal and will not be tolerated!

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  • Kevin Smyth 24/11/11 #
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    Nice to see Russia is moving forward. Rest of world /facepalm.

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  • Pa Foley 24/11/11 #
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    Down with that sort of thing….

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  • Waffler 24/11/11 #
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    makes sense that blatter gave them the world cup

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  • des keegan 24/11/11 #
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    we are all made of stars

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  • William Grogan 24/11/11 #
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    Russia is now where the west was in the 40′s. They have just gone through nearly 100 years of fascism. They had no free speech, no free press (and still haven’t), no democracy etc. They won’t catch up for probably another generation. Anyone coming in contact with someone living in Russia should just point out that we in the west think they are a backward lot and try and embarrass them, and yes they shouldn’t have got the World Cup. Remember Ireland in the 70′s, we held similar illogical and ignorant views, some Irish still do.

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    • Ben Morrissey 24/11/11 #
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      How would embarrassing Russian people help the situation ? I spent 3 weeks in Russia this year and everyone I came in contact with view their government with contempt !!! The majority Russian people are as disgusted by these moves as we in the west are !!!

    • William Grogan 24/11/11 #
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      Ben, I’m glad to hear that. Lets see who is the next President then. Maybe you only meet the westernised Russians.

    • angryzes 24/11/11 #
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      It’s all nonsense, you know nothing about Russia. 100 years of fascism? it’s just an insult our grandparents who destroyed Hitler. And he was not the first, remember Napoleon? Now, under this colourful equality flag we are getting gnostic anthropological unequally, new kind of fascism. So, it is an offence now to certain circles to be “not gay”. And it happens only to “bad countries” (such as Russia). Yes?

    • Preston Wiginton 24/11/11 #
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      Ben I have been to Russia 16 times, I have never met any Russians that liked gays, blacks or jews. Even university professors state their contempt for such. Maybe that is why Russia is the last white nation to have any identity. All of you liberals in the west have sold your soul to political correctness.

    • Ben Morrissey 26/11/11 #
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      William in all fairness who are we to judge Russian people on how their government acts ?? That being said, time has proved that Russia has often benefited from placing power in the hands of a ruling elite, usually one person. Many say it is all that would ever work in Russia. However my point is how is taking it out on the Russian people going to solve anything at all ? God knows are government is a disgrace and I don’t think you’d encourage the Germans to start embarrassing all Irish people would you ?

    • Ben Morrissey 26/11/11 #
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      Oh and Preston, I wont deny there are some archaic ideas and opinions still prevalent is Russia but still we shouldn’t paint everyone with one brush. Things are changing…. just extremely slowly.

  • Daniel R 24/11/11 #
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    And nothing of this is mentioned on Russia Today. I have the RT app and check it almost as much as The Journal. But they should be ashamed of themselves for not reporting on this.

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  • William Grogan 24/11/11 #
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    “you know nothing about Russia”. That’s clearly a nonsensical statement. I’ve read most of Alexander Solzhenitsyn works (most before I was 18), books on Beria, the Potemkin Mutiny and many other books on Russia, even one produced by the Communist Party that claimed how great they were. I’ve read extensively about the USSR for 40 years.

    Totalitarian Communism ruled Russia until relatively recently. To me there was little difference between Communism and The National Socialist Party in Germany. It was two very evil anti-humanity regimes fighting each other with a total disregard to how many of their people died. Stalin actually killed more people than Hitler. What about the massacre of the 2,000 Polish officers at Kaytn by Stalin’s secret police? The party apparatchik that the Communist Party put to investigate Chernobyl concluded that it was caused by “Totalitarian Communism”. The Communist party officials didn’t even give their own children Iodine tablets that would have prevented them getting Thyroid cancer.

    It is a criminal offense to be homophobic in more enlightened countries just as it is to be racialist. Homophobia is based on idiotic religious beliefs and plain ignorance. People are born Gay, it’s nothing what so ever to do with morality.

    I was actually trying to be understanding of the Russian position after decades of brainwashing by an evil fascist party that was a serious danger to world peace since the 2nd World War.

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    • cimada 24/11/11 #
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      I Mean thumbs up lol

    • angryzes 24/11/11 #
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      >I’ve read most of Alexander Solzhenitsyn works …

      Stop over here, you have to explain nothing.

    • William Grogan 25/11/11 #
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      People are not “born drug addicts and murders” but individuals are born Gay. Nobody asked you to “love gays”, just not to discriminate against them.

      “Russians have had no brainwashing”….that’s a laugh.

      Heritage and culture are not an excuse for discrimination. Maybe you think heritage and culture might excuse burning witches at the stake? Heritage and culture lead to male circumcision, female genital mutilation, the suppression of women and many other evils.

  • Colm Mooney 24/11/11 #
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    20th century was the century of totalitsrianism..just differant flags. stalins regime is estimated to have been responsible for 100 million deaths..gulags..pogroms..their was as much anti semitism in red russia as in tsarist russia..commisars shot troops they “suspected” of cowardice. politburo lived the high life brezhnev had extensive collection of top range western limousines..afghanistan on his watch..putins troops butchering all round in chechnya..why our govt so silent if “human rights” are o important to them

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    • angryzes 24/11/11 #
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      There is only propaganda in your head. Nothing else. You know nothing about the things you trying to explain here. Let’s start from 100 millions – give me the source of your information. Whatever, when I hear Stalin, politbyuro, KBG, Gulag – I can just stop conversation. You know nothing about Russia and USSR and it’s people.

    • William Grogan 24/11/11 #
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      angryzes, well you tell us how many human beings the Communists killed? How many got a bullet in the neck, how many died in the Gulags (1,000,000?), how many died in government caused famines?

    • angryzes 25/11/11 #
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      @William Grogan
      You are another person disabled by propaganda. Communists killed people? You know how many people were killed by Catholics, Protestant, Democrats, Respublicans, Male, Female, etc ?

      I know, I know. Communists are the main evil of this world! According to capitalist media of course …

      Apart from that, all your questions are relevant to any big state. The country I was born in (USSR in seventies) was notihing like you describe now. Deal with it. We had space and nuclear programs, widespread geological research, leading science, free education, healthcare, cheap communal bills (1% of your income) etc, etc. People were happy and knew that their lives are stable and protected. And, btw, had a good laugh at the communist party and it’s leaders but respected and liked their country.

    • William Grogan 25/11/11 #
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      Catholics and the other groups having not been killing people in bulk for hundreds of years.

      No one has murdered as many INNOCENT people as the Communists in the last century and not just in Russia. It’s not just the mass murders, but kidnappings, torture, imprisonment for nothing, and the total lack of personal freedom that existed in the USSR.

      It’s funny you call it the capitalist media, there was no Communist “media”. Anyone can become a journalist or set up a newspaper in the west you don’t have to have capital and write more or less whatever they like.

      Your space program was a joke in comparison to the USA’s and was mainly kept secret (The Russian’s have yet to land a probe on Mars). Nuclear weapons were based on the results of spying, your scientific research was nonexistent, almost nothing was discovered by Russian scientists in the 19th century, their only computer for years was a pirated version of an IBM 360.

      After Chernobyl the health system in the USSR was so poor that children with Thyroid cancer did not have their diseased Thyroid glands fully removed because they hadn’t the money to pay for the medicines that they would have then needed instead they left in some of the tissue and hoped it wasn’t a cancerous bit. Several children died because of this procedure.

      There was widespread famine. I remember reading once that most Russians eat food they grew themselves or was grown on their tiny private plots. Almost nothing came from the state farms. Communism is another and worse form of fascism and the world is a lot better off without it. Whatever the Russian people thought is irrelevant, they were brainwashed. Read Orwell’s 1984.

  • Paddy O Gorman 24/11/11 #
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    That is like so unfair already

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  • Adam Long 24/11/11 #
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    This outrageous attack on basic rights and freedoms is clearly illegal under the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) which Russia has signed up to, and it’s well past time that that country was held accountable for its appalling human rights record. In this case, homophobic bigotry is being used as a tool to whip up support for Putin and his authoritarian “United Russia” party as they approach elections. It really is disturbing to think that a proposal such as this (plus a ban on freedom of expression and assembly involving gay Pride parades) is coming from a country that, geographically at least, is partly European.

    Please sign the online petition demanding that this odious law is scrapped entirely – http://www.allout.org/en/actions/russia_silenced

    Over 170,000 have signed already.

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    • Adam Long 24/11/11 #
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      Correction: 20,000 more people have signed since I last checked!

    • William Grogan 24/11/11 #
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      Preston, you’re lucky you didn’t live in Nazi Germany where Gays were executed AND so were simpletons.

    • Réada Quinn 25/11/11 #
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      Very well said William.

      Preston waits until thread is nearly over to come on with his hate filled drivel. Get a life Preston. How would you feel if you were told who to love? Mind your own business Preston. Love might be the only piece of heaven we get. When you find it you love, love, love.

      PS Thanks for the link Adam.

    • Réada Quinn 25/11/11 #
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      Preston. Gay rights or marches don’t recruit. They won’t turn a straight man gay FGS. That is such a ridiculous thing to say. Absolute boloney. I refer you to William’s comment.

  • random 24/11/11 #
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    If you’re going to delete comments you should leave a little note saying that it has been done, like the guardian do. Otherwise it looks like a bunch of weirdos are just yelling at somebody who never commented at all…

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    • Réada Quinn 25/11/11 #
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      Agreed. Seriously Michael. Leave comment name up and comment blank even. Also if someone makes an unfounded accusation at someone, as has happened to me, I value my right to reply. Please…

  • Clayton Elmy 25/11/11 #
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    lol @ the people who think they can make Russia into the west with their little rallies and public tantrums. It won’t happen. Russia will not turn into a collective bunch of pussies like we have. I for one will sit back and enjoy the show.

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