The US have killed many more though. You do realise that?

By all means provide some evidence

@Petr – I’m not denying what you are saying as true because I am not fully knowledgeable on the issue. Perhaps you can enlighten me with some source or statistics that prove the United States has killed more civilians? Also in what period of time are you talking about?

I think the focus should be on not killing civilians, rather than on who has killed less. Also it should be taken as a fact that the US in recent history has done far more than China or Russia with regards to protecting and ensuring human and civil rights.

“Also it should be taken as a fact that the US in recent history has done far more than China or Russia with regards to protecting and ensuring human and civil rights.”

The women of Iraq and Afghanistan might disagree with your fact.

@TooTrue

The bombs dropped on Iraq and Afghanistan were bombs of peace and joy, didn’t you know that?

@ Petr – You conveniently ignored my question about your sources for the civilian deaths. Oh and I am sure the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan was so much nicer.

@Too True – I never said the US was perfect. I just said they have contributed hugely to the establishment and enforcement of human rights. I don’t see very many examples of Chinese or Russian efforts in this areas. Yeah the women, children and men also suffered in Iraq and Afghanistan because of US, NATO and Allied bombings. It is a war though, these things happen.

The old ‘these things happen’ chestnut. In other words, as long as it’s not my family…

So you have zero evidence that the US is responsable for more civilian deaths than China or Russia?

@Petr – What would you like me to say? Should I pretend that the world is a lovely rosey place? Or find just one nation to blame the whole mess on?

War is a terrible thing. Nothing you or I can say will ever paint it in a different light. War is decidedly a human thing though…it is in our nature. If we accept it, then maybe we can change it.

Still waiting on your sources for the responsibility of the United States in causing the largest loss of civilian life in a war zone since world war two….

@Fiachra

The hypocrisy re Bahrain is profound. Here’s a great interview with an Bahraini human rights activists in which she lays out the extent of that hypocrisy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxUD3TUC6zM

No america is trolling, they have being meddling in that area for decades now

@Chuck

You’re right about Russia, but the US is equally seeking to protect its interests by agitating for intervention in Syria. Neither the US/NATO/Gulf Cooperation Council nor Russia/China/Iran give a hoot about the suffering Syrian people.

As the Red Cross, the only NGO with any real access on the ground in Syria, have said the situation there is a civil war it really is high time the simplistic good/bad dichotomy is dumped and we acknowledge the complexity of the situation.

I’m just not getting emotional over it as you are. All I asked for was some statistics from a reputable source that proved what Petr was saying. Likewise, find me a document from an unbiased source that backs up your claim that the US is responsible for over 1 million civilian deaths.

You sound like someone who should put a bit more effort into reading up a little on modern history and politics. Also you should probably brush up on your spelling too… You can’t just pull a number out of the air and say for definite that America caused this. It takes years to compile the true cost of war. Come back to me in three or four years after you’ve done some studying and we can have a proper debate then.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSCcUWrxKeM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pcZv0E7w3c&feature=youtube_gdata_player

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhJGnJ7JR1g

It’s not simple when you consider that both Russia and the US are power brokers in this war. Why do you think the US want intervention so much? Because they want to save more innocent Syrians? Or some other reason?

@Petr – Again with the obsession of trying to blame it on the US somehow. If they were going to intervene militarily, they would have already at this stage.

To be honest I don’t want any western force to do anything in Syria. Not after what has happened over the last couple of years. Everything gets blamed on the West. If we intervene, to the world it means we are colonising…if we do nothing, it means we don’t care about the humanitarian crisis. We never win whatever the situation. So screw it, let China, Russia or the Arab League sort things out for a change.

What’s all this ‘we’ business?

It is on-topic. We’re talking about the situation in Syria and Russia’s role. Surely the US’s role is relevant.