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Should we all be learning Chinese?

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THERE WAS A lot of talk about the world embracing Ireland at today’s Global Irish Economic Forum – but should we be embracing Chinese? And more specifically, a Chinese language?

Richard Barrett, who set up Treasury Holdings with Johnny Ronan, suggested from the audience that Irish people should be learning Chinese to equip us to fully embrace the possibilities for trade with the surging Asian economy. (We are presuming he means a specific Chinese language such as Mandarin, Wu, Cantoneses or Min – there are around a score regional groups of Chinese, never mind the dialects).

Taoiseach Enda Kenny, not at all stumped by the question this morning, told Barrett he had noticed a young man “in an elevator the other day with headphones on”. Kenny asked him if he was listening to the radio. “No, I’m learning Chinese,” the young man apparently told the Taoiseach.

However, despite this encouraging sign of a Celtic cub embracing Chinese, said Kenny, it was a very difficult language to learn. “It is not as simple as learning a language with Celtic roots,” he said, concluding that while it might be easy enough to grasp a conversational level of spoken Chinese, it would take “years” to learn Chinese writing. He said that it was “up to schools” what secondary languages they decide to teach.

Should we be teaching secondary school students Chinese as a matter of course? You tell us:


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  • David McDermott 138 days ago #
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    all kids should be taught a second language from primary school. we should all be fluent in different languages, Irish should also be taught the same way foreign languages are taught in order people can speak it.

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  • RDX862 138 days ago #
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    Good idea, people will be able to realize that Chinese are right up there with the Americans when it comes to being arrogant.

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  • Dermot Mc Loughlin 138 days ago #
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    We’ll be speaking German soon enough :P

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  • Treasa Lynch 138 days ago #
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    Delusional. We should be learning some languages that enable us to deal with our main trading partners and we haven’t even managed that.

    But more importantly, we should be teaching kids to write computer code from the age of 12. It would give us a much faster route to sustainable wealth than trading property in China.

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  • Seán Ó Briain 138 days ago #
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    An utterly pointless language for Irish people to learn. If we lived in Japan, or Korea where the potential for migrating to China for employment was a little more likely – then I’d consider it. But to just throw it out in an arbitrary manner as a language we should learn is stupid.

    We live in Europe – So a European language is far more useful like French, German, Spanish – or even one of the Nordic languages. The Irish language is far more useful to me than Chinese ever will be. I use it daily – and have yet found a scenario or visualise a scenario where I’ll ever be required to utter one word of Chinese.

    It’s actually strange that Spanish is not as prevalent in Irish schools as French or German. It’s a much more global language than either of the two.

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  • Tom Kavanagh 138 days ago #
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    Remember the 1980s when it was Japan that was going to take over the world?

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  • Pete Gibson 138 days ago #
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    English is a dialect of German Dermot.
    When you speak English you speak German.

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  • Derek Healy 138 days ago #
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    Chinese should definitely be an option on curriculum for students. I imagine we will be looking to supply many services to the Chinese over the next few decades

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  • David Higgins 138 days ago #
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    As mentioned above, first step is to get people learning European languages at primary level. It’s well established that knowing more languages makes each extra language easier. If we equip people with European languages first then they’ll be more capable at picking up Chinese.

    I’d also highlight that the Chinese are putting huge emphasis on learning English. Maybe we’ll just let them do the talking instead :D

    Enda is right when he says how long it takes to learn Chinese. We can’t even get people fluent in Irish at second level. They should at least set a Leaving Cert paper in Chinese and then let people who want to take it up learn it. It’s not something that needs to be pushed into schools.

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    • Brian Ó Dálaigh 138 days ago #
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      You already can do a Leaving Cert paper in Chinese, as well as Spanish, French, German, Russian, Japanese, Arabic, Hebrew, Latin, Greek….

    • James Kenny 132 days ago #
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      Brian, you say you can do a Leaving Cert paper in Chinese? Tell me more…

  • Michael Campbell 138 days ago #
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    Glad I will be dead before they dominate beside numbers of people I can’t think what these people have to offer.

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  • Toureag 138 days ago #
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    Chinese? Why not? After all, it’s ideal for business for our future kids…….

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  • Fergus Cafferty 138 days ago #
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    When you consider the Chinese use of intonation to differentiate meaning of words (completely alien for any native European language speaker), and the inaccesible script(doubles the difficulty), you’d learn at least 2 European languages fairly fluently by the time you’d get a handle on basic,error-strewn Chinese. Avoid it unless you plan to live there!

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  • Burned Toast 138 days ago #
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    And this is because the eminent developer Treasury Holdings says we should do it? Worked out well the last time they said we should do something didn’t it?! Let’s reflect for a moment on Battersea Power station as an example of something we now all own due to Treasury’s ‘great advice’. Johnny Ronan my arse.

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  • Oe O'Donnell 138 days ago #
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    "It’s terrible about the poor people in china?"
    "What poor people? Martin."
    "The Chinese."

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  • Saffron Marriott 138 days ago #
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    In the UK they are going to introduce a foreign language at five years of age – imagine the advantage we would all have now if we had all been so lucky.

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  • Frank2521 138 days ago #
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    Quite a lot of Chinese factories are using robots( pick and place robots) like the ones used in intel. One factory has 110,000 robots for electronics (iPhone and HP laptops) as they consider labour cost too high for production line staff. Average wage now in china for industrial worker 60Euro per week, and they consider this too much – so whoever thinks that there will be jobs in china think again. They prefer robots rather than people as robots are much more efficient. Souls we learn Chinese – it’s better than Irish. Any other European language would be better than Irish and if possible 2 European languages would be great.

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  • Adam Magari 138 days ago #
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    Why not learn the language of the world’s largest tyranny? Makes perfect sense in a world increasingly viewing ordinary people as slaves of government and global corporations. Maybe throw in whatever North Korea has to offer as well. Have proponents any idea of just how many people in China do not have a vote? Seeing as most of the Irish haven’t even mastered the ‘first national language’, learning Mandarin, or even Cantonese if you like Hong Kong, should be a doddle. The fact that such proposals can emerge from the global Irish blatherfest unchallenged shows just how tenuous a grasp the Irish have of democracy.

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    • Donncha Foley 138 days ago #
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      Ah, I wish had a cent for every time someone used the term ‘democracy’ for a self righteous and badly laid out argument….

    • sure2bsure 137 days ago #
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      We already know the language of the worlds largest tyranny .. The USA

    • Waffler 137 days ago #
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      i thought latin was the language of the catholic church

  • Stephen Caulfield 138 days ago #
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    It would certainly help if you want to order a take away.

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  • Tom Kavanagh 138 days ago #
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    Let’s recall Micheal Martin’s ‘strategic’ analysis of China’s importance.
    http://youtu.be/6x5Rcc17eb8

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  • Saffron Marriott 138 days ago #
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    Maybe the reason we can’t get people fluent in Irish at second level is because people don’t really want to do it – how many doors does it open? We are told to learn it but don’t hear it spoken in Ireland – at least learning french or german opens up possibilities and thoughts of a wider world, all this focus on Irish is insular.

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  • Ivan Woodgate 138 days ago #
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    Ah the Chinese,a great bunch of lads

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  • Robert Fourie 138 days ago #
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    If the premise is that we want lots of money, and that there can never be enough of it; and if we believe it is in our interests as a nation to become more and more beholden to a country with an appaling human rights record then I say why not? In for a penny in for a yuan.

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  • Waffler 137 days ago #
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    the fact that so many people think there is a language called "chinese" shows how eurocentric our education system is.

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  • Martin Dorgan 137 days ago #
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    Should teach economics as no economist saw the financial crash coming or when banks were audited they saw nothing wrong.?

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  • random 137 days ago #
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    What a ridiculous suggestion. The argument behind it, that China is becoming the driving force of the global economy, is extremely shaky. There are strong indications that the Chinese economy is in the same kind of unsustainable bubble as the USA was prior to the crash.

    Secondly, even if their bubble does not burst and they do become the world’s largest consumer economy, it is still unlikely that Ireland will be doing a significant amount of trading with them rather than our European neighbours, whose languages we already struggle to master.

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  • Morgan McCabe 137 days ago #
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    Keep it simple. Let the Chinese learn English so they can trade with us!

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  • Marian Lenehan 136 days ago #
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    As part of the Irish Diaspora (sorry, I love that word) I have a long association with China and I spend a significant part of each year there. At 57, I have been learning and enjoying learning Mandarin for 10 years. Admittedly, my son, who has been learning Mandarin for just 4 years, is far more fluent than me, which just goes to prove that maybe Enda and I are a little old : ) Mandarin, I believe, is an essential language of the future and not as complex or as useless as Eurocentrics imagine. In my opinion, clever countries that embrace this amazing language will have a huge economic edge. I thought that Ireland’s ‘Global Economic Forum’ was all about getting Ireland out of an economic rut? How does burying your head in the cultural sand help? Please don’t let ignorance, prejudice and fear get in the way of enjoying one of the oldest and most exciting languages in the world. For those of you worried about the writing system of China, Pinyin is their romanised version which is very useful for learners. Introduce Mandarin in Primary schools in Ireland and Ireland’s future will be impressive. Already China has a tremendous love of all things Irish – let’s build on that.
    Ài’ěrlán shì yīgè wěidà de guójiā/爱尔兰是一个伟大的国家/Ireland is a great country
    - let’s keep it that way by keeping ahead of the game!

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