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Ulster Bank must compensate customers, says Central Bank

Contingency planning of Ulster Bank has been appalling, Oireachtas Committee told.

Many customers may not see a normal service resume until mid-July
Many customers may not see a normal service resume until mid-July
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THE CENTRAL BANK will ask Ulster Bank to put in place a comprehensive restitution plan for customers impacted by ongoing IT issues at the institution, the joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform has been told.

In his opening remarks to the committee this afternoon, the Central Bank of Ireland’s Director of Consumer Protection, Bernard Sheridan, said that it is insisting that customers of Ulster Bank and those of other institutions affected by the IT issues are compensated for costs and charges they have incurred.

“It has to be recognised by Ulster Bank in designing this restitution plan that their customers have been seriously inconvenienced by these events. This extends to the small and medium business customers as well as personal customers.

We will expect this plan to be implemented effectively and efficiently and we will be monitoring it throughout, not only for Ulster Bank customers, but also for customers of other banks who have been affected.

Telling the committee that the Central Bank viewed the matter “extremely seriously”, he said that the type of disruption suffered by customers was unprecedented in Irish banking.

“While everyone can understand that IT failures can occur from time-to-time, the contingency planning of RBS (Royal Bank of Scotland) and Ulster Bank has self-evidently been appalling and the approach to customer communication has, at times, been exasperating.

The Central Bank is now working with the Financial regulator in Britain, which regulates Ulster Bank’s parent company RBS, to determine what went wrong at the Irish Bank.

Many customers may not see a normal service resume until mid-July, the bank said yesterday, as the technical problem that has affected over 100,000 customers sees no sign of abating.

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Comments (37 Comments)

  • Notice the central bank waited until the CEO of Ulster bank said Ulster bank is reviewing what compensation it can give its customers before suggesting a restitution plan. A head of the curve or what.

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    • Am not going to pay back anything if my balance is minus at the end of this SHOW. No way.

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    • And also, will I still be insured if my DD hasn’t gone though. I have a 9months old baby girl who has to undergo a surgery any time soon and I’ve got a VHI just because of her ops. WTF UB, sort out your stuff or just file for bankruptcy. Am sure that the legal cases to be brought against them after the supposedly GLITCH will be so enormous that they won’t be able to afford and wouldn’t have any solution than to bugger off. Sad that Irish jobs will be lost, and that by thousands. Where the f****** government

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  • I wouldn’t hold your breath, it will be something like a free pen.

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  • the central back should not be asking them to do something they should be telling them to do something end of.. we r too weak in this country..

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  • That’s not ‘compensation’ that’s just giving you back whatever you got charged in late fees for DDs etc – that should happen anyway. What about the embarrassment of your debit card being declined at the til? What about not knowing what funds are even available to you? What about standing in a queue for half an hour (if you can get to the branch at all) at lunchtime and then being told there’s a withdrawal limit and having to go through hoops to get at your money? What about the inconvenience of YOU having to check all your accounts for any fees & charges (cause you can be sure you won’t get it back unless you point it out and ask for it). What about being stuck abroad and not even your credit card will work? Sure, the money’s ‘there somewhere’ and you can go to a branch and the branch staff are lovely but seriously we all have busy lives with a lot going on and to call this an ‘inconvenience’ is laughable at this stage.

    Rant over….

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    • Hit the nail on the head Clare. its the little things..like come down to the branch and withdraw money..I need to get a bus to my branch..will they refund my bus fare I had to pay? I needed to buy stuff online but could not because my account was not showing the correct amount so I had to go into a shop and buy it costing me 10-20% more..is that going to be compensated? These are the things that the central bank ect is forgetting.

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  • They should be compensated considerably for the inconvenience caused. Not just covering fees. They wouldn’t be long about charging their customers if they ran their accounts like them! I don’t have an account with them but I have been affected by the whole debacle. It’s amazing to see how one disfunctional bank can hold the whole monetary system to ransom.

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  • I can’t even access my childbenefit. I paid my visa bill last week online, if they charge me late fees and interest I’ll cancel my card straight away. It’s gone on far too long at this stage, I’ve lost a lot of trust with the bank and if they introduce charges for transactions, I’m moving banks.

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  • lol compensation to people impacted..wtf does that mean? everyone that is a UB customer has been impacted in some way and that’s not even taking into account people that are not customers of UB. I can see people having to jump through hoops to try prove they were actually impacted. This is another prime example of the goverment not having the balls to stand up to banks in this country, they will put all the burden of proof upon joe public to actually show they were impacted.

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  • Well said Clare! Interesting point about the health insurance Foto guy. It really makes you think about how reliant and tied to the banking system we are. My employers insist that I be paid directly into my bank – who unfortunately is UB. I always appreciated the fact that their fees were cheaper than AIB and BofI but this is both incredible and unacceptable! It will be even more sickening if the chiefs get bonuses!

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  • Greedy fat cats, outsourcing IT to India to cut costs and maximise bonuses

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  • No, their IT in India made a mess of what was supposed to be a simple patch update. serious questions need to be asked about their back up system?

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    • Exactly. Putting this down to a “technical problem” is nonsense. You can guarantee there will be technical problems, the only question is what systems were in place to recover from them.

      This is an administration and planning problem.

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    • Think this system update is bull, you wouldn’t make a system update unless you knew everything was good to go an you would defo have a stop button if it did go wrong, this was a Hack they just don’t want to admit it as it will f*** them big time as they will have breached data protection as well as central bank reg

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    • Jesus wept. If that’s true then yes I would agree, serious questions need to be asked about their back ups.

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    • Fagan's 04/07/12 #

      I think it is obvious that it was a case of cheap outsourcing ending up with someone applying a patch to the top of a cardboard box with a man in it and saying “Tomorrow i’m the computer”.

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  • It’s a joke, I had to go to the bank today for the first tie in I’d say 3-4 years. I do everything online, have never need to go in, and I was polite and patient, and the person at the counter was rude and made so much mistakes.

    I know it’s not their fault and I’m not blaming them, but the way that UB are handling this is appalling!

    Was going to take out all of my money today and move banks, but they don’t know how much I have in it…

    Joke!

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  • Edel m 04/07/12 #

    To right they should be compensated

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  • Just back from an Ulster Bank branch where I was told an overdraft I had applied for weeks ago had not yet been even looked at and that it and wouldn’t be until at least the middle of next week. If they are this backlogged I can not see anyway in which they can be back to normal by the 16th.

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  • Were UB hacked?

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  • absolutely appaling service it must be said

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  • Are UB gaining interest from the World Bank on the funds “resting in their account” ????? Nice little earner !

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  • Absolute disgrace the response from UB. I am missing €300 of a payment I made to my credit card electronically. Rang UB twice from abroad and they said they admitted the payment is missing and would ring me back and never did. When next back on home turf I will be closing my accounts with them.

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  • Companies I have worked for in the past were always good with my pay. If ever I needed I could have gone to paymaster ask them to cancel the pay to my bank and give me a check or cash if I needed it. An Idea that might work for some.

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  • As of one minute ago my online account was last updated ( including credit card) on the 26th of June.

    ULSTER BANK – this is serving you notice that you are liable for the interest (and inconvenience) I will be charged

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  • Friend of mine is living on jobbridge money as it is and had to bring in payslip to get at some of their money. 50 euro. How sad is that.

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  • i’m joining UB before they fix this mess, most of my colleagues have been double paid by another UB mistake today! yay!

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  • I think we’ll only be compensated by bringing the matter before a court. Moral damage has been done and a lot of families have been suffering due to their lies and uncertainties. We should all group up as an association and bring the matter before a court of law in the republic of Ireland. We need reparation for all the damage caused by those incompetent management.

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  • And now to add insult to injury they have processed my monthly pay TWICE – so now I think I have loads of wanga in a/c & have to work out my own balance in case I overdraw when it all gets fixed. If they process the planned fees on my account that they wrote to me about before this fiasco there will be trouble (previously had no fees for styling in credit) Anyone else not going to pay fees ?

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  • eastsmer 05/07/12 #

    Ulster Bank – part of Royal bank of Scotland who own Nat West,
    They are interested in getting Nat West sorted out first.
    UB is down their list of priorities.

    Try a bank that is at least based in Ireland.

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  • Emmie 04/07/12 #

    L

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    • Emmie 04/07/12 #

      Fingers are too fat.

      So what about non UB bankers who have been charged fees for bounced direct debits because of this fiasco? I’ve been charged 60e in fees because I could not get my tenant’s rent as he hadn’t been paid? Do we get compensated?

      No. It’s an absolute joke.

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  • nice on Derek

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