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Women and children first? Not anymore says shipwreck study

A study into shipwrecks over the years shows that when it comes to survival it is every man for himself.

Titanic was the exception to the study.
Titanic was the exception to the study.

IS CHIVALRY DEAD? At sea it is anyway.

According to a study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, ‘women and children first’ is a myth.

The shipwreck research, conducted by two Swedish economists, showed that with the exception of the Titanic, women and children were less likely to survive than the men.

The Los Angeles Times reports that the study, which did not include the Costa Concordia wreck off Italy this year, looked at data from some of history’s worst shipwrecks. It showed that the unwritten rule of the sea, that women and children should be evacuated from a sinking ship first, was dead and gone.

Examining 18 maritime disasters between 1852 and 2011, researcher Mikael Elinder and Oscar Erixson found that the captain’s policy determined whether women received preferential treatment, reports Lithgowmercury.com.

Of the 18 ship sinkings studied, just five had occurred with the captain issuing a ‘women and children first’ order.

Crew members had the highest odds of survival with 61 per cent. Captains no longer seem ‘to go down with the ship’ with a survival rate of 44 per cent. Male passengers have a 37 per cent survival rate with 27 per cent for women and 15 per cent for children.

The Titanic was the exception in the study reports the Los Angeles Times, stating that the officers on the Titanic made women and children’s safety a priority.

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Comments (17 Comments)

  • That’s what equality will do…..

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    • No mater how many times the truth escapes from the prison of the propagandists it will be rearrested and thrown back in jail by people educated by Walt Disney. It was not women and children first on the Titanic. It was first class women and children first!

      First Class Women: Deaths 4. Second & Third Class Women: Deaths 104.
      First Class Children: Deaths 1. Third Class Children Deaths: 55

      And just for comparison
      First Class Men: Deaths 105. Second & Third Class Men: Deaths 529.

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  • Was there not an article on the journal a couple a months about this same study? It might have been a few weeks or so after the italian cruise liner capsized.

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  • The power of statistics eh?
    They have deliberately taken 18 of the worst maritime disasters, and seem to be surprised that a high proportion of people who typically fall in the weaker or least experienced demographic end up dead. I would be of the belief that the lack of a proper coordinated evacuation would be primary cause of these incidents becoming huge disasters.
    They have only taken 18 sinkings into account too! More ships were sunk in 2011 than they have taken into consideration.
    As a result of this I assume that they have deliberately ignored sinkings where passengers and crew were evacuated safely and survived.
    Conclusion? Pure manipulation of statistics.

    I think Eriskon and Elinder are simply preying on naive people’s romantic notions about life at sea.
    Do people really expect the Captain, a man most likely with a wife and children etc, to commit suicide to satisfy this insatiable demand for melodramatic romanticism? Go down with the ship my arse
    Women and children first? Great idea. Confuse the issue of evacuating even further. I’d imagine it’s pretty confusing as it is. I’m not suggesting that there should be a free-for-all. A calm and orderly muster and evacuation of all passengers and crew is the only viable way of doing it. Unfortunately this doesn’t make blockbuster movies nor does it make good news.

    Biggest load of sh*te I’ve seen in a while. Perhaps this pair should stick to economics!

    It’ll be interesting to see the amount of thumbs-down for this!! haha

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  • Unless it was my own friend, child, mother, wife or sibling, id be probably fairly eager to just find the nearest lifeboat tbh. I’d help others but if I thought it was going to be certain death by doing so I’d just hop on a boat.

    Sorry ladies

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  • I read lately that the “women and children” policy is more of a hindrance in an emergency situation because families understandably don’t want to split up. It’s much quicker just evacuate all at once.

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  • As a ex-merchant navy crew member we were trained to evacuate as quickly as possible and where possible keep family groups together, but speed was the critical factor. Considering the risk of fire and listing prior to sinking that can render some evacuation routes and lifeboats unusable, which can happen at any moment during the evacuation, you need to get the next person in the line off the ship right now regardless of their sex or age. Families will generally stick together in an emergency anyway so it really is a case of next in line… If anyone freaks out you have to move them to one side and keep the flow going, there is no time to argue, the real disaster is if anyone is left behind because the evacuation was too slow… Just my personal experience!

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  • I think I read somewhere that “chivalry” in an emergency situation is dependent on the luxury of time. The more time to evacuate, the more chivalry comes to the fore. The less time, every man for himself rules.
    Still, I’m sure we can all agree that its great that men are outgrowing such old fashioned sexist ideas, eh?

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  • Humans acting out of self-interest.. Shocking

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  • Possibly as men are stronger and women were left to help the children when it comes to saving ones own skin? Chivalry falls to the side in the panic of possibly dying while a mother will never abandon her children.

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    • “A mother will never abandon her children” is a statement not supported by scientific or historical evidence. Check out the information about the thousands of children abandoned in Britain during and after WWII then seek information on the thousands of children abandoned by their mothers in Vietnam. Then go on to study Romanian orphanages ad inf.

      There never was any such thing as Chivalry. There was a kind of chivalric code but it only applied to first class women and not to plebs. They were still fair game for “chivalrous knights” to rape and murder. Ah but one will not learn that from a Walt Disney movie.

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  • seems the irish goverment is adopting this policy also

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  • Women and children never was a rule. What’s the issue?

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  • Did your mummy abandon you Charlie boy?

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