Neal a woman cannot get into this ‘mess’ by herself. It’s basic biology.

Deborah, the last time that happened, the catholic church was invented!!

@Daisy Chainsaw:

This is so sad. Abortion covers up rape and sexual assault.

@Deborah Behan:

I fully agree with you Deborah. Men need to grow up and stop treating women as instrument’s for their satisfaction.

Rape and sexual assault are done by sick criminals. Nada to do with abortions

@NO 2 FF/FG/LAB:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-savile-told-teenager-raped-3772609

Abortion covered up Jimmy Saville’s tracks for years. So Sad.

So even using the pro abortion on demand astro turf organization women on web 64% the vast majority were dissatisfied with the procedure they are pushing in the paid for findings. Hardly a resounding endorsement. Abortions are carried out in Ireland every year in exceptional circumstances. Despite what the extreme opinions for or against think, the majority of people in Ireland time and again have indicated that abortion on demand is not popular.

@Mise Éire: Where are you getting the 64% from?

Article states that:
97% felt they made the right decision
94% said they were grateful they could access the pills online

@j scotus eriugena: “Abortion covered up Jimmy Saville’s tracks for years. So Sad.”

Targetting vulnerable children was the main tactic saville used to cover up his abuse (a common theme with predators, read any report done on paedophile priests)

Abortion prevented his victim from being forced to carry his seed. I won’t class that as ‘so sad’ if you don’t mind.

Just 34% were satisfied taken from a poll on a Dutch website which advocates taking dangerous abortion pills without medical supervision. At best this is irresponsible. I have almost given up hope of seeing a balanced discussion on this subject as the extreme abortion on demand people and the extreme no abortion ever people attack moderate opinions. It is some comfort to know if there is another plebiscite on abortion related matters it will be the sane moderate middle who will decide the outcome.

@Mise Éire: Again, where are you getting that figure from? Is it this study, or another? A link would be helpful if it’s not from this article.

@For Connolly: Saville would have been found out years ago if he didn’t have the option of forcing women to have abortions. Death Penalty for rapists instead of the babies. That would cut out a lot of crap.

So Scotus, are you saying these woman should have given birth to their abuser’s offspring?

@j scotus eriugena: “Saville would have been found out years ago if he didn’t have the option of forcing women to have abortions.”

Complete speculation, and also almost cetainly untrue.

You seem to be unusually obsessed with abusers being ‘found out’ for somebody so enamoured with the catholic church. How do you square that particular circle?

@For Connolly:

if it was up to the marxists paedophilia would be totally legal.

@j scotus eriugena:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-24/bradley-marxism-and-safe-schools/7272764

@j scotus eriugena: Can you post list of where all this ‘marxist paedophelia’ is happening please?

In the meantime, here’s a list of where major catholic church abuse scandals have happened…

Albany, NY, Altoona, PA, Anchorage, AK, Anchorage, KY, Baker, OR, Baltimore, MD, Billings, MT, Bridgeport, CT, Briscoe Memorial, WA, Brooklyn, NY, Burlington, VT, Camden, NJ, Cape Girardeau, MO, Charleston, SC, Chicago, IL, Cincinnati, OH, Cleveland, OH, Collegeville, MN, Conway Springs, KS, Covington, KY, Dallas, TX, Davenport, IA, Denver, CO, Detroit, MI, Dubuque, IA, East Greenwich, RI, El Paso, TX, Fairbanks, AK, Fall River, MA, Fargo, ND, Farmington, IA, Fort Worth, TX, Gallup, NM, Goshen, NY, Grand Mound, IA, Grand Rapids, MI, Greenbush, MN, Hannibal, CT, Helena, MT, Honolulu, HI, Indianapolis, IN, Jackson, MS, Joliet, IL, Kansas, City, KS, Kansas, City, MO, Lincoln, NE, Los Angeles, CA, Los Gatos, CA, Louisville, KY, Manchester, NH, Marietta, GA, Marty Indian School, SD, Memphis, TN, Mendham, NJ, Miami, FL, Milwaukee, WI, Mobile, AL, Monterey, CA, Nashville, TN, New Orleans, LA, New York, NY, Oakland, CA, Omaha, NE, Onamia, MN, Orange, CA, Palm Beach, FL, Peoria, IL, Philadelphia, PA, Phoenix, AZ, Pittsburgh, PA, Portland, OR, Providence, RI, Raleigh, NC, Richmond, VA, Rochester, NY, Rockville Centre, NY, Rosebud Reservation, SD, Sacramento, CA, San Antonio, TX, San Bernardino, CA, San Diego, CA, Santa Barbara, CA, Santa Fe, NM, Santa Rosa, CA, Savannah, GA, Scranton, PA, Seattle, WA, Spokane, WA, Springfield, MA, St. Francis, WI, St. Ignatius, MT, St. Louis, MO, St. Michael, AK, St. Paul/Minneapolis, MN, Stebbins, AK, Stockton, CA, Tucson, AZ, Wellesley, MA, Wilmington, DE, Worcester, MA, Yakima, WA, Yuma, AZ, Adelaide, Australia, Akute, Nigeria, Antigonish, Canada, Arapiraca, Brazil, Auckland, New Zealand, Ayacucho, Peru, Ballarat, Australia, Bass Hill, Australia, Bathurst, Australia, Berazategui, Argentina, Berlin, Germany, Bindoon, Australia, Bo, Sierra Leone, Bontoc, Philippines, Brits, South Africa, Bruges, Belgium, Buenos Aires, Argentia, Caen, France, Canberra, Australia, Cape Town, South Africa, Cebu City, Philippines, Chatham, Canada, Chimbote, Peru, Christchurch, New Zealand, Ciudad de México, México, Comillas, Spain, Cottolengo, Chile, Cuacnopalan, Mexico, Curracloe, Ireland, Dandenong, Australia, Dublin, Ireland, Edinburgh, Scotland, Feilding, New Zealand, Flawinne, Belgium, Franca, Brazil, Gortahork, Ireland, Goulbara, Australia, Grenada, Spain, Hamilton, New Zealand, Hobart, Australia, Hollabrunn, Austria, Igloolik, Canada, Kilnacrott, Ireland, Kircubbin, Northern Ireland, Latticefield, Australia, Letterfrack, Ireland, London, England, Lota, Ireland, Maipú, Chile, Manchester, England, Manila, Philippines, Mariana, Brazil, Masterton, New Zealand, Medellín, Colombia, Melbourne, Australia, Melipilla, Chile, Mérida, Venezuela, Middlesbrough, England, Mildura, Australia, Mittagong, Australia, Monageer, Ireland, Morisset, Australia, Morón, Argentina, Mount Isa, Australia, Munich, Germany, Nairobi, Kenya, Naval, Philippines, Neerkol, Australia, Newcastle, Australia, Ngong, Kenya, Ollur, India, Ottre, Belgium, Paraná, Argentina, Perth, Australia, Pilar, Argentina, Poznan, Poland, Preston, England, Quilicura, Chile, Quilmes, Argentina, Rab, Croatia, Reading, England, Frickhofen, Germany, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, Rufisque, Senegal, Saint-Jean-de-Maurienne, France, Salta, Argentina, San Luis Potosí, Mexico, Santiago, Chile, Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic, Sherbrooke, Canada, Silverstream, New Zealand, Soni, Tanzania, St. John’s, Canada, Sydney, Australia, Toowoomba, Australia, Trondheim, Norway, Tubay, Philippines, Wagga Wagga, Australia, Wexford, Ireland, Wilno, Canada, Wollongong, Australia

@Mise Éire: Any link to back up this 34% claim?

@For Connolly: several of these are listed twice…..you trying to distort things?

@For Connolly:

That is so sad and detestable. Any one who sexually abuses children should be put to death. Would you agree?

@Con O Sullivan: Explain the connection with Marxism for us all, con…..

Marion Murphy I presume

@Nick Drake: Maybe they’re twice because abuse took place more than once. the Journal comments probably doesn’t have enough space to list all the parishes where rapists were sent on to to cover up their crimes and given access to fresh meat.

An interesting aspect of the article is the ease and convenience, despite the secrecy, of abortion in the first 10 weeks.

If there must be an abortion, and there are many reasons why it is necessary, then ideally the sooner the abortion takes place the better.

Yes loads more Jimmy Saville s gene pool just what we need

@For Connolly: You do not know. Let me refresh your memory. Marxism is an atheist doctrine according to Comrade Lenin in his essay on religion, he states Atheism is a natural and inseparable part of Marxism. Th crime of the raping of about 1,000,000, German woman “between 8 and 80 were committed by your atheist Marxist brethren from the Soviet Union. If you want to contradict me about my evidence.It is a bit rich of you coming up with allegations about Catholic clergy , when your own atheist brethren raped millions of young girl and women.
http://www.mirror.co.uk › News › World news › World War 2
cloudmind.info/violence-against-women-the-rape-of-berlin-ww2/

@Con O Sullivan: Most ridiculous post of the day, well done.

Unless your contesting the child rapist priests are also atheists?

You may as well claim that Hitler and Stalin both having moustaches means that facial hair causes to dictatorial tendencies.

@For Connolly:

So seen as you ignored my question earlier maybe you could answer. What would you think of the death penalty for people who sexually abuse children?

@j scotus eriugena: Catholic Knight Jimmy Saville? Knighted by Patron Saint of Paedo Protectors, John Paul II himself?

@For Connolly:

Where do I start, the majority (98-99%) of sexual abuse is carried out by non-religious and also mainly by family members! But yet you and others continue to demonize the Christian churches on this matter! Why? Maybe instead we should demonize the general lay population for the sexual abuse perpetrated on children and not the churches? I was as a child in Ireland in the 50′s and 60′s involved with the Catholic church, as an altar boy and education in both primary and secondary. To be honest I had more contact with religious than I had with lay, yet except for 1 minor occurrence I never encountered nor experienced or knew of any abuse from that quarter. Whereas, in the lay world I had 5 serious personal encounters and knew of many others. People like you brand all of the religious as “pedophiles” just because some of their congregation committed and hid vile acts on children. Yet you at the same time attack people who blame all Muslims for the terror that is committed by some mis-guided Muslims! You cannot have your cake and eat! In all the countries you listed, those who experienced sexual abuse as children experienced that abuse not from those of religious orders but from members of their own families and congregations! Nowadays it is in vogue to criticize the church and many who do so have never ever experienced any sort of negativity from the church or its religious! Finally, I am not involved in any way with any church and probably could be classified as an atheist but I just do not like to see injustice done to people who in my life’s experience have been nothing but good human beings and have attempted to help and do good for others throughout their lives!

@Warthog:

doctors have a way higher abuse rate. Does that mean we should close all the hospitals?

Well that train was in 71 and condoms were readily available in 91 it only took 20 yrs (in between you needed a marriage certificate and a pharmacist who was Protestant)

@Kieran OKeeffe: These tablets are proof that ignorance kills:
http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/abortion-ireland-woman-tells-how-4527642

@Phil West: eh, I think you just made an excellent case for the abortion pill being legalised here so it can be taken under medical supervision.

If that was your intent then fair play!

@For Connolly:It is merely presenting evidence – what you choose to do with it is your business ;)

@Phil West: @Phil West: How many times did the woman have contact with http://www.womanonweb.org advising her and following up with her? They told her to go to her doctor. She did. They told her to go to the hospital. She did. The only danger she was in was being reported to the gardai for inducing an abortion and getting a 14 year sentence.

Ignorance does kill. You posting that link as some reason not to take these pills is the ignorance.

@West Cork Lad: Abortion is the decision to end someone else’s life Peace, Love and Let Live.

@MuckyMoo: Abortion is the decision to end a pregnancy :) “to end someone else’s life” -and what a “life” they lived :)

And actually, the study itself points out that the majority of women had gotten pregnant due to a failure in contraception. It’s just not in the article.

From the BBC report on the matter – “Contraceptive failure was the most common reason cited for pregnancy.”

@Dj you have no idea what protection was or was not used. Don’t be so quick to judge.

It didn’t say in the article,I was just giving an opinion. Is that not allowed anymore?

@Dj: Multiple studies (including this one) have noted that many people accessing abortion services were using contraception when they became pregnant. One from Marie Stopes, in 2014, notes that over half of women were using contraception. (https://mariestopes.org/media/research-reveals-more-half-young-women-who-have-abortions-were-using-contraception-when-they)

It’s not infallible. Lots of things can affect the protection that various methods use – the age of a condom and way it is stored, for example, can impact its effectiveness. And many things can impact the protection afforded by the contraceptive pill.

This information is easily found, it’s just lazy to assume that people were just too lazy to use contraception.

Unless you don’t have sex, I mean zero, no contraceptive is 100%, it’s stupid to say but then again the same argument is used when condemning Lone Parents.

DJ, HOW DARE YOU SUGGEST WE SHOULD TAKE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY – FASCIST!

Unless you wholeheartedly buy into the “Abortion: Anyone, Anywhere, Anytime” mantra you’re a bottom feeder like the rest of your woman-hating, God-fearing rosary-beads-wielding misogynistic Neanderthal friends.

Pig!

… You see, there’s no room for grey, for nuance or compromise from the Repealers, it’s all or… well… all. There’s no tolerance for a middle-ground, and certainly none for anyone who may have the slightest bit of compassion for the so-called “blob of cells” (aka baby).

I don’t know, DJ, if you’ve spent any time considering the points of view of those who would retain the 8th Amendment, but seeing as your so obviously not compliant enough Repealer, this may be an opportunity for you to examine what would happen if the 8th Amendment was removed, and, taking into account the experiences of countries such as the UK (whom the Repeal movement model their demands on), observe how abortion, initially legalised for very few, specific reasons, is now very “liberalised”, with very few conditions or restrictions.

@Dj: Fellatio works every time all the time… 100%

Brian

Repealing the 8th would not legalise abortion. Our laws still prevent it.
Repealing the 8th would mean that legislation could be passed that would allow abortion to happen in Ireland.
Your suggestion that “there’s no room for grey, for nuance or compromise from the Repealers” doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. In fact the only people I see demanding a black and white solution would be those demanding no change to the status quo.

You’re being disingenuous to suggest that there is no nuance on the “repealers” side.

There are many that would only like to see abortion available for FFA, rape and incest.

I would support a regime closer to that of the Scandinavian countries.

Others have different opinions.

But most recognise that nothing can be done without first repealing the 8th Amendment.

@For Connolly:

Chastity is 100% effective.

You didn’t give an opinion you gave an assumption which is obviously false. Suggesting 0 women who took part in the study used contraception is dumb and unfounded

@j scotus eriugena: “Chastity is 100% effective.”

Bishop Casey took a vow of chastity, didn’t he?

@For Connolly: Boom!

@For Connolly:

I wouldn’t think so. He probably took a vow of celibacy, we are all called to chastity, even those of us who are married. It is the practice of chastity which is effective, not a vow itself.
Chastity is such a beautiful virtue,it gives a man great dignity and confidence. It is a virtue much older and more widespread than the Catholic Church.

@For Connolly:

There is a tendency in post Catholic Ireland to reject everything that the Church thought but a lot of it is just common sense and inherited from previous cultures. I urge you to study the philosophies of Plato, Aristotle and Confucious.

@j scotus eriugena: I never got that call to chastity – lucky me!

@j scotus eriugena: Are you claiming that his vow of celibacy did not require him to be chaste?

@EvieXVI: Yep, me neither. Better stick my mobile on ‘call divert’ just in case(y)

@For Connolly:

Chastity is 100% effective. Being a responsible man and not using women for your own personal gratification is what we are called to do. Chastity means not conducting improper sexual acts. As humans beings we are all called to act responsibly and not hurt others whether you are a Catholic or a Born Again Jedi. I don’t see what Bishop Casey has to do with that argument.

@For Connolly: Our local priest in west donegal keeps going on about that chastity and celebacy a lot, but that didn’t stop him getting two young church workers and a mentally challenged housekeeper pregnant. A bit more education and those girls may have been able to get abortion pills, and those young girls could live normal lives – but no the hippocrates they are blindly ignore the fact : humans are sexual, women are independent beings, terminations do not make them less than human, oh – babies out of wedlock are not shameful or guilted (unless a hippocrate got her pregnant in the first place)

So the conclusion therefore is that abortion must be introduced as an added means of contraception or at least it will be a perfectly acceptable form of contraception. Well I guess that’s pretty much what we figured all along.

@j scotus eriugena: “Chastity is 100% effective”

And not even a Bishop can manage it. Thats what casey has to do with the argument.

“Being a responsible man and not using women for your own personal gratification is what we are called to do.”

Does having consentual sex with your wife count? What if she gets pregnant due to contraception failure?

And whats this ‘we’ business, and who’s doing the calling? I don’t recall employing you as my spokesperson.

@j scotus eriugena: Could you actually BE more patronising towards women?

Do you think women don’t gain gratification from sex?

Perhaps if you stopped making the incorrect assumption that women are delicate flowers that require your protection you might actually respect their right to determine their own autonomy to their body.

Your paternalistic comments are just horribly insulting!

@Alien8:

” Our local priest in west donegal keeps going on about that chastity and celebacy a lot, but that didn’t stop him getting two young church workers and a mentally challenged housekeeper pregnant. A bit more education and those girls may have been able to get abortion pills, and those young girls could live normal lives ”

If only those girls had abortion pills nobody would have found out the truth about the pervert in question. Babies out of wedlock are not shameful ( I am one and I have two) but it is not the ideal situation.

@For Connolly:

“And not even a Bishop can manage it. ”
I am glad you think that Bishop’s are somehow above the rest of us but they are not. 99% of them do manage it as it happens.

“Does having consentual sex with your wife count? What if she gets pregnant due to contraception failure?”

Sex should be reserved for the sacred act of procreation. It is a gift that we have been given that can be taken away from us if we abuse it. As you may know, Bill Gates and all his buddies are developing compulsory contraceptives to save the planet. I hope you all will be screaming “my body, my choice” when that happens. The reality is that we have a choice now so we shouldn’t abuse it.

@Tricia Golden:

“Do you think women don’t gain gratification from sex”

There is more to life than instant gratification. Abortion is an awful thing for women to go through.

http://womenhurt.ie/

My wife is a delicate little flower who needs my protection She is the happiest woman you could ever meet. She is happy to be a mother of four. So many women feel short changed when they are in their 40s with no kids thinking of all the men who they slept with who have now moved on and have kids with younger women.

@j scotus eriugena: “If only those girls had abortion pills nobody would have found out the truth about the pervert in question. ”

Why, does taking an abortion pill somehow magically prevent a woman from revealing who got them pregnant in the first place?

@j scotus eriugena: Firstly well done ignoring the statistics that clearly show women do not regret their abortions.

Secondly, your anecdotal evidence that your wife is “a delicate little flower who needs my protection” and your claim that she is “the happiest woman you could ever meet” is just that, anecdotal. Maybe you could let HER actually make those claims or would that be her overstepping her bounds in her position under you in the hierarchy of your marriage?

The very fact that you’re arrogant enough to make the claim that “So many women feel short changed when they are in their 40s with no kids thinking of all the men who they slept with who have now moved on and have kids with younger women.” which you cannot back of with an single scrap of (non-biased) evidence beyond your own unwavering opinion pretty much just confirms everything I originally stated.

You’re a relic and thankfully your patronising vile controlling attempts no longer are welcome here in the 21st century.

@For Connolly:

“Why, does taking an abortion pill somehow magically prevent a woman from revealing who got them pregnant in the first place?”

Fear?I can’t answer for them but that is what happens. Just look at the situation with Jimmy Saville and Bill Clinton, I guess if the women had the babies they would be forced to come clean on who the perpetrator was. Most rapes are not reported sadly. Probably because of light sentencing. A rapist should never see the light of day again.

@j scotus eriugena: “I can’t answer for them but that is what happens.”

So you ARE answering for them.

Good man

“I guess if the women had the babies they would be forced to come clean on who the perpetrator was.”

Forcing women now? Yep, showing them a lot of respect there, aren’t you.

@Tricia Golden:

“women do not regret their abortions.” Many do regret. Show me all the women who regret having children.

http://womenhurt.ie/

Regarding my beloved wife. My respect has been earned and not demanded. Yes it is true that the family is a hierarchy but my position of Father is not for my own benefit and comes with great responsibility. We all know women who are sorry that they never had children. That is not to say that we all need to have children to be happy.

If a woman like my wife wants to be a traditional housewife and mother why does it bother people so much? It is the worst type of misogyny. Just because she didn’t buy into materialism and a career.

“You’re a relic and thankfully your patronising vile controlling attempts no longer are welcome here in the 21st century.”

I know I am a relic here, there is a serious crisis in masculinity which is at the heart of this issue that will correct itself. Thanks be to God it is not your decision whether I am welcome here or not. I am only 30 years of age and four beautiful sons and counting. When all these liberals are contracepting away their futures, we will be there to pick up the pieces and the natural order will be restored.

@For Connolly:

I guess I am just one of those old fashioned people who thinks that killing is immoral.

@j scotus eriugena:
A few questions:

“Sex should be reserved for the sacred act of procreation”
1) According to whom?

“It is a gift that we have been given that can be taken away from us if we abuse it.’
2) How? And, again, by whom?

“As you may know, Bill Gates and all his buddies are developing compulsory contraceptives to save the planet.”
3) Are you for real??

And, finally, are you for real?

Ah lads leave Stephen off…. modern life is a struggle for him.

and BTW your wife’s decision to do what SHE WANTS TO DO is fully supported by me. Even if that includes having 4 children and being a housewife. The only person I see here trying to force people / women into behaving in a way dictated by anyone is you!

@j scotus eriugena: IThe 1800s just called.

@EvieXVI:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pvw21BLs24

if I showed you all the evidence in the world you would not believe me. You have to be looking for truth to find it.

@Tricia Golden:

Ha ha ha ha.

@Ever Loops:

I wish

@EvieXVI:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-24/bradley-marxism-and-safe-schools/7272764

J Scotus you’re right in that some men use women but this might not have occurred to you, most women want sex too.

@j scotus eriugena: it is not just your name which is medieval.

You are playing a real blinder for the pro-choice side. Thanks.

Exactly Brian…one person’s abortion is another’s miscarriage….consider that.

@Kelly Davis-Jordan:

Well I am making the point that one should be prepared to bring new life in to the world if you are willing to sleep with someone.

@Micheal OLainn:

Is medieval supposed to be an insult? Abortion is the most primitive act imaginable.

@j scotus eriugena: Edieval attitudes is capable of being take as an insult for someone with your icon.

Abortion is not primitive unless it is an illegal abortion performed in a primitive fashion.

Really J Scotus? Sounds like you want women punished for having sex for fun rather than procreation. Forced pregnancy and birth seems to be an appropriate punishment in your book.
Also what if a woman has a medical condition which would make pregnancy dangerous for her? Celibacy? Bearing in mind that no contraceptive is 100% effective.
Should women and girls who have been raped be forced to carry their rapists offspring?
You have no right to control or decide on what pregnant women do. You’re entitled to an opinion and that’s it.
Go away with your faux concern for women, it’s transparent.

@Kelly Davis-Jordan:

95% of all abortions are for contraceptive reasons. We are not free to do whatever we feel like. There is no medical situation where an abortion would save a woman’s life.
You have no right to control or decide on what pregnant women do.

Are you off your game? There are many situations where an abortion can save a woman’s life. Try not getting all your information from anti choice sources. Try some medical ones. Also, I’m pro choice and that means I support women who choose to end a pregnancy or choose to carry on. That’s how choice works. You want women to have no choice because of your morals which are not the same as everyone else’s, that’s arrogance.
Also if you’re going to say mad rubbish that ’95% of abortions are for contraceptive reasons’ then you would want to cite the unbiased, scientific study which draws that conclusion.
YOU don’t get to control women or make any decisions for us at all, that must drive you mad but you don’t.

I was replying to a deleted comment calling on a ban on alcohol, accusing “women like Briana” of getting pregnant because they have drunken sex.

Daisy .. when I scrolled down I saw Gerry O Donnell’s comment .. you are 100% correct !

Thanks.

Daisy I’m nearly sure I heard it’s backed in to me your honour, but why were your pants down to your ankles while you were standing behind the donkey, true story guys will used any excuse.

@Daisy Chainsaw:

I fully agree with you Daisy. Women are being used by men for personal gratification. It is desperate the pain that some have

Women want sex too! Stop being so patronising!

@Kelly Davis-Jordan:

I was responding to the first post above.

Daisy Chainsaw:
You are 100% right! Men need to stop drinking and forcing drunken sex on women.

Yes J Scotus men who take advantage of incapacitated women are rapists and I suppose you would expect the woman to be forced to give birth should she become pregnant from the rape?

@Kelly Davis-Jordan:

You want abortion as contraception

No, I want contraception as contraception and abortion as abortion. Learn the difference between them.
You want to control women but I’m afraid you don’t get to.

@Rosie Is Fabulous :):

She should get her money back so.

@j scotus eriugena: You believe that an embryo is a BAY-BEE :) You are adorable :)

Ellen
What would you know about anything?