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"It's not a holiday for us ... it will actually cause more work"

Who’ll blink first in the junior cycle row? Not the teachers, by the sounds of it… TheJournal.ie stopped by one city centre picket this morning to take the temperature.

WRAPPED IN SCARVES and hats as they paced the pavement of Stephen’s Green this morning, the staff of Loreto College were quick to point out that today’s strike wasn’t a ‘day off’ for either teachers or students.

“We would have given our students work to do today — which we will all have to correct tomorrow. So it’s not a holiday for us … it will actually cause more work,” Irish and French teacher Jill Cunningham told TheJournal.ie. 

We won’t be slacking off.

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You have to feel sorry for Loreto on the Green sometimes.

The school’s location, bang in the centre of Dublin, means it’s often the first port of call for reporters, whenever teachers go on strike.

At least one photographer called by during the short time we were down there this morning — and we wouldn’t be surprised if at least some of the faces featured here pop up on this evening’s TV bulletins.

Not everyone was keen to talk or have their photo appear. Others — well used to the attention, no doubt — were happy to speak out in defence of the day-long action.

“We know it’s disruptive but for over two years we have been bringing this issue to the attention of the Department of Eduction,” business teacher Jane Kelly said.

Its only when we took drastic action and took strike action that anyone has started to listen to what our concerns are.

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There’s been criticism of the timing of today’s action from some parents’ and students’ groups. Ibec, meanwhile, has called on the Government not to row back on the planned reforms, and ISME — which represents small and medium businesses — even suggested teachers should be prevented legally from going on strike.

The Loreto teachers, however, were having none of it.

The move was “for the long term good of education,” Cunningham insisted.

It’s impossible to be objective when you’ve taught children for three years, and then be expected to mark their results. You cannot possibly look at an exam script and actually just leave what you know about the student to one side.

“The whole new junior cycle is very much actually in response to the likes of what Ibec are suggesting — so collaborative learning, [and] we’re putting maths and sciences to the forefront.

But actually, we’re not willing to put the holistic approach to education to the background.

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As to whether their students — some of whom are facing into State exams in a matter of months — would be kept busy all day today with their assigned work.

“That’s up to them, really.”

Passing drivers issued the occasional beep of support for the teachers, as the small group marched up and down (and up and down) in near freezing conditions.

Of the school’s 50-odd teaching staff, the vast majority are taking part in today’s picket — apart from “a small handful” of non-union members, one staff member said.

In line with what’s happening at actions up and down the country, the women are organising their day into shifts — with everyone expected to spend at least a few hours clutching centrally-issued union placards, and dealing with overtures from passing members of the Fourth Estate.

Read: Mock battle: Students’ last-minute plea to teachers as pickets begin

Read: There was a queue of people waiting to use Dublin’s new homeless café when it opened last night

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    Mute Kev
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    Jan 5th 2015, 7:41 AM

    They really need to pass these reductions on to all their customers..

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    Mute rory conway
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    Jan 5th 2015, 12:42 PM

    Kev , I agree. Its galling for existing customers who are “captive”.That causes deep resentment .However looking at theterm of the loansaffected , you might wonder how many will benefit. Two year and ten year terms are the main beneficiaries.

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    Mute Dermot Ryan
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    Jan 5th 2015, 1:40 PM

    PTSB are offering discounted to tracker mortgage holders while threatening eviction to those who have been hammered on the variable rate .
    This is illegal discrimination as the purchase of the bank by the State brings the bank under the irish Constitution and discrimination is illegal !
    Best of luck to those of you who get your 20 to 30% discount on your trackers – you are setting a precedent for all other mortgage holders !

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    Mute Dermot Ryan
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    Jan 5th 2015, 1:43 PM

    The average rate of a mortgage in Europe is 2.3 % if my memory serves me correctly.

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    Mute Liam Long
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    Jan 5th 2015, 6:17 PM

    A good time to buy me thinks… :-p

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    Mute Robin Tobin
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    Jan 5th 2015, 8:13 PM

    Why does Kenny the Pr**k not legislate for home owners on variable rate interest on their mortgage. He talks about taxing the hilt out of us and the banks do the same. Can wait to give him my good riddance vote .

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    Mute Catherine Mill
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    Jan 5th 2015, 11:56 PM

    Kenny obeys his master.

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    Mute Senator G Craughwell
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    Jan 5th 2015, 7:24 AM

    Great news but no letup on the variable rates they charge long standing customers they have been screwing ever since the collapse caused by their crazy tracker mortgages

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    Mute Niallers
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    Jan 5th 2015, 7:41 AM

    Was the collapse really caused by trackers?

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    Mute Dermot Ryan
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    Jan 5th 2015, 1:42 PM

    PTSB are also involved in the Bed and Breakfast loans to Anglo !

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    Mute Dermot Ryan
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    Jan 5th 2015, 3:57 PM

    It is quite worrying when a Senator starts a post on a discriminatory piece of business by a State owned institution with the words “Great News ” ……

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    Mute Robin Tobin
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    Jan 5th 2015, 8:16 PM

    Ecb lend bank money at -0.05% bank charges me 4.75% Apr are you senators and politicians a waste of my vote. Answer yes, you can bring in legislation this is an extortion interest rate given the banks cost for loans from
    Ecb.

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    Feb 16th 2015, 10:36 PM

    you need to think about what rate your lender borrows (“funds”) at and what collateral they need to provide. the reality is that funding costs have collapsed and the next shoe to drop will be mortgage costs. if the Irish banks don’t do it i will bet my bottom dollar new lenders will come into the market. having a central bank that makes people pay 20% deposit and 4% mortgage rates after prices have dropped 50% is a dream scenario/environment for a new lender. all they need now is clarity on the rules as to what happens if the person falls behind on their mortgage but they have a lot of cushion at the moment. i reckon mortgages will be 3.25% in Ireland within 12 months. buy a house.

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    Mute Kerry Blake
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    Jan 5th 2015, 11:57 AM

    So much for increasing customer loyalty. If your a current customer screw you….

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    Mute The Galloping Major
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    Jan 5th 2015, 6:15 PM

    Well take you’re mortgage elsewhere then.

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    Mute E
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    Jan 5th 2015, 11:05 AM

    PTSB reducing their interest rates???
    Is this the same bank that was charging it’s existing customers approx. 7% during the bust that they and their brethren created?
    Is this the same bank that scammed it’s customers out of their trackers?

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    Mute Neal Ireland Hello
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    Jan 5th 2015, 11:44 AM

    No, that was a different PTSB.

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    Mute E
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    Jan 5th 2015, 6:40 PM

    “Great”
    “Another new competitor in Irish banking”

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    Mute Terry McMahon
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    Jan 5th 2015, 12:26 PM

    Shocking to think that these banks are allowed con new customers in under these new rates but punish those that are long time customers. Those customers that were dragged into the housing trap during the last decade by both these “reckless” lenders.
    The Govt are acting like a toothless tiger… Roaring about protecting people but not putting pressure on the banks to pass on the phenomenal low rates from the ECB.

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    Jan 5th 2015, 12:49 PM

    Terry , you are right. The borrower should ask ” can I afford these repayments “. The lender should be stict in questioning ” can the borrower afford these repayments”. If the answer is “no” to the questions , then it is both reckless borrowing and reckless lending. The balance of responsibilty , in my opinion lies with the lender.

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    Mute Terry McMahon
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    Jan 5th 2015, 1:02 PM

    My idea of reckless lending was offering 100%+ mortgages… Getting people to throw their car loans into the mortgage pot etc… This was not only reckless but wholly unethical. How they get away with not passing on the low interest rates on borrowings while doing so with savings???

    As I said this Govt are toothless and in all probability scared of upsetting the cosy banking cartels, by not forcing them to pass on the low rates. After all these organisations would have been blown out of the water if it wasn’t for the public purse that rescued them. Now as the banks return to profitability they continue to impose crippling interest rates on these people while at the same time we continue to suffer the effects of austerity brought about by these organisations…

    Simply put now… bye bye Enda, Joan & Co… Ye are in the death throws of your p1ss poor Govt…

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    Jan 5th 2015, 2:13 PM

    “dragged into the housing trap”?

    Who dragged them into it? Nobody put a gun to anyone’s head and forced them into signing up for mortgages they couldn’t afford

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    Mute Reg
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    Jan 5th 2015, 2:37 PM

    Whilst I agree that the interest rate reductions should be passsed on to all customers if you think 4% is classed as crippling interest rates Terry then you haven’t been around for very long!

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    Mute Terry McMahon
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    Jan 5th 2015, 3:58 PM

    Ah I’ve been around long enough to know that house prices back then were far lower not in the multiples of the hundreds of thousands they are now… Oh and what happens when interest rates start to climb???

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    Jan 5th 2015, 1:09 PM

    i will stick with my 0.8 tracker rate

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    Jan 5th 2015, 1:23 PM

    I think you’re right. If it wasn’t for my tracker, I’d be homeless.

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    Jan 5th 2015, 2:12 PM

    Or, you know, renting…

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    Jan 5th 2015, 3:26 PM

    Really? Homeless?

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    Mute Diarmuid O'Connor
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    Jan 5th 2015, 6:14 PM

    The difference between a tracker and a variable with PTSB can be €400 a month for an average sized mortgage, so homeless is not an exaggeration.

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    Jan 5th 2015, 6:16 PM

    I’d be selling my body on the streets… turning tricks for 5 euros…

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    Mute Eddie Grady Grady
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    Jan 5th 2015, 2:56 PM

    What about customers like me who took out a mortgage in the boom, this should be given to all of its customers not just new we were the ones who over paid and are left in the dark.

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    Jan 5th 2015, 5:19 PM

    If they remain within the T&C’s that you voluntarily signed up to then I don’t think you have grounds for complaint

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    Jan 5th 2015, 7:11 AM

    Excellent news.

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    Mute Dermot Ryan
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    Jan 5th 2015, 3:15 PM

    For Bondholders

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    Mute Diarmuid O'Connor
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    Jan 5th 2015, 6:12 PM

    Excellent for who ?

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    Jan 5th 2015, 6:21 PM

    Mr smithers..

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    Mute E
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    Jan 5th 2015, 6:59 PM

    Lure in that Fresh Virgin Meat.
    The Pigs are hungry.
    Oink Oink Oink!!!

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    Mute Fergus Fring
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    Jan 5th 2015, 11:30 PM

    It’s good news for FTBers. They have to get a mortgage from some institution and there aren’t that many providers.

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    Mute John Donagher
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    Jan 5th 2015, 12:04 PM

    O only 4.2% that’s still shit !!

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    Mute Reg
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    Jan 5th 2015, 3:35 PM

    A useful reminder for people who think 4% is shite!

    http://www.moneyguideireland.com/history-of-mortgage-rates-in-ireland.html

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    Mute Terry McMahon
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    Jan 5th 2015, 3:54 PM

    Reg my reasoning here is that when these low ECB rates start to rise so too will the existing 4% +. will the banks keep rates at 4% odd when the ECB starts to throw on a 1/2 % here or there??? Simple answer is NO… Then we’ll be heading for the high rates of the 70′s and 80′s… These banks will do all they can to screw you for as much as they can during good times and bad… Don’t forget these same banks along with FF sleep walked us into a disaster that we and the generations after us will be paying for years to come.
    While at the same time these banks are paying huge bonuses even pay rises to its senior staff…

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    Jan 5th 2015, 12:39 PM

    Wan*ers.

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    Jan 5th 2015, 2:53 PM

    Bank of Ireland will pay your stamp duty too ! Wonder where this is all heading ,good job the central bank is keeping an eye on things.

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    Jan 5th 2015, 3:25 PM

    New buyers get suckered in then they jack the rates up… The fact that the rate remains the same for current mortgages should be a warning to anyone considering ptsb or boi for a mortgage.. They have no loyalty

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    Jan 5th 2015, 3:40 PM

    The cheek of them greedy shower of bully’s . Existing customers are garnishing the bonuses of them nits while they put families out on the street. I seen how #boi treat their loyal customers from the inside it would make your skin crawl. Lesson here for new customers thinking of going near bank of ireland is don’t. Should you experience difficulties (such is life) they will rape you even after the vultures have picked the corpse. For small steps, for big steps, for life. A life sentence is what you get with bankruptcy your only defence.

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    Jan 5th 2015, 3:42 PM

    Lesson here is anyone who bought into their previous spin is paying for it now. These so called new customers will soon become existing customers and will also suffer the same faith.

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    Mute Shane Mac An TSionnaigh
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    Jan 5th 2015, 3:02 PM

    You need 20% of the value of the house to get this!! I don’t know many people able to save that amount

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    Jan 5th 2015, 4:08 PM

    The rich can afford it. So the folks who need it can not avail of it. So those with the least will be chastised with the higher rate. Happy bonuses for bank of ireland , Richie Boucher and the blood sucking bond holders

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    Jan 5th 2015, 6:11 PM

    So permanent TSB have announced a cut in their Variable interest rate for bleedin’ new customers, after years of increasing rates for existing variable rate holders during a period of record low interest rates across Europe. go figure.

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    Mute Paul Shannon
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    Jan 5th 2015, 10:08 PM

    Another ploy to get new customers in an emerging competitive market. Once they have a certain amount of new customers on their loan books then watch the rates increase again and everyone is stuck with the higher rates.

    It’s a no win situation when your borrowing from financial institutions – you will get caught every way.

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    Mute Catherine Mill
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    Jan 6th 2015, 12:00 AM

    “THE GREATEST EVIL PERPETRATED ON MAN, THE COMPOUND INTEREST RATE,”
    Our banks are still owned by the same colonial slave merchant families”
    There is NO DEBT !!! There is no shortage !!! It’s all imaginary, just like the game of Monopoly!
    Today’s money is merely IOU’s and is backed by nothing;
    https://giftoftruth.wordpress.com/

    Zero poverty: poverty is man-made and can be undone;
    Zero un-employment: there is enough for everyone;
    Zero evictions: there are legal remedies to settle all debts;
    Zero evictions: the land belongs to we, the people;
    Zero foreclosures: Legal remedies exist which the courts refuse;
    Zero School Education fees and Zero Tertiary Education fees;”

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