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24 staff at Bank of Ireland earning over €400k a year

Michael Noonan says he “shares the outrage of the public” on bankers pay, but there are “legal constraints” in tackling it.

Bank of Ireland's flagship branch on College Green: 24 staff at the bank are on salaries of over €400,000 a year, Michael Noonan has said.
Bank of Ireland's flagship branch on College Green: 24 staff at the bank are on salaries of over €400,000 a year, Michael Noonan has said.
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24 STAFF at Bank of Ireland – which has received €4.7 billion in State aid – are paid salaries of over €400,000 a year, the finance minister Michael Noonan has revealed.

Noonan told the Dáil this evening that 193 staff at the bank, in which the State owns a 15 per cent stake, were on salaries of over €150,000.

Of those, 109 are on over €200,000 a year – the pay cap for civil servants – while 43 are on over €300,000 a year.

The figures were supplied in response to a parliamentary question by Sinn Féin’s Padraig Mac Lochlainn. Noonan said the figures had been supplied by the bank itself, and were correct as of March 31, 2011.

“The government shares the outrage of the public concerning these levels of remuneration,” Noonan said.

“It must be acknowledged that without the assistance of citizens, such levels of remuneration at these institutions would only be aspirations.”

The minister pledged to “explore any avenues and options” to address the pay, but said he was subject to several legal constraints – including a constitutional clause guaranteeing property rights to individual citizens.

Sinn Féin’s finance spokesman Pearse Doherty challenged the minister on his plans, claiming that the government was only looking to cut wages of bankers after public outcry and not on its own initiative.

Noonan countered, however, acknowledging that the “level of salaries provided to certain bankers is outrageous”, and denied Doherty’s claims of a delayed reaction.

“For residual issues… our constitution has enshrined in it very strong property rights. The legal advice, and it has been tested in court, is that a pension is a property right – and taking somebody’s pension away, or taking a disproportionate amount of it away, would be the same as taking somebody’s land.”

Noonan also admitted it was “an obscenity” that some bankers who had “participated in the destruction of the economy” were insulated from the effects of that collapse simply because they had already retired.

Earlier, Noonan had said the auction of 4G mobile phone bandwidth – which raised over €855 million for the State, with €482 million to be paid upfront by Ireland’s four mobile operators – would mean higher-than-expected government income for 2012.

He said, however, that the Budget would still continue with the €3.5 billion of adjustments as previously planned.

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Comments (66 Comments)

  • I’m willing to bet the counter staff that have to deal with the customers and put up with complaints aren’t earning a fraction of it.

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  • Imagine, if what we have found out during the past week are the salary levels in hard times, if we return to prosperity again can you imagine what they will be once again!! This is Ireland…. The land where only the date and late late show host ever changes!

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  • The same old stuff! Every ordinary person knows that all the big blokes are taking the piss. I don’t think anyone really cares anymore though. The roots of all this corruption and outright theft are just way too deep. I lust hope the bastards are judged someday!

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  • Murphy’s Golden Rule: the man with the gold makes the rules. Yes this pay should be slashed. A bailed out bank, bailed out with state money and he’s powerless? Don’t give them the bloody money. Simple.

    Having said that, BoI are not paying 30k a month towards these people’s pensions like the state is for Noonan. So not sure what he has to be outraged about. You want to feel outraged Michael? Look in the effin mirror!!!!!!

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  • Shares the outrage!! They will be more “calls” on these bankers salaries, more consultants to talk about it, politicians getting more advisors on the subject, as they pretend they have absolutely no power over the situation, em I was under the impression the the government ruled this country and made the laws, silly me

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  • What a load of oul crap Noonan. Ye don’t care that their getting paid that much, you probably like it even. Just gotta turn it into a nice p.r. exercise, make it look like you give a t***. Go away out of that.

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  • Noonan said “The legal advice, and it has been tested in court, is that a pension is a property right – and taking somebody’s pension away, or taking a disproportionate amount of it away, would be the same as taking somebody’s land.”

    Odd that it wasn’t a problem for him to hit my pension fund. Seem to remember him saying something about everybody having to share the pain. The only obscene thing is that he has done nothing to cut those salaries and pensions. But then being part of the golden salary / pension brigade himself he would hardly do that would he……

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    • I agree Kerry ,
      They didn’t mind hitting my pension either . The sly effers .
      It the same old story .the rules are only for us . They can do
      and get away with what ever they like. I am sick and sore from it.

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  • No, Michael. There are no legal constraints. Without Government support, that bank and all others would be gone. You are the Government. It’s our money, make your own rules. This kind of stuff irks me. Although I’m looking forward to The Budget, I suppose we ALL have to take the pain…

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  • I like a good witch hunt as much as the next person, but who are these staff? What roles are they being paid for? What influence, if any, have these people had on the banking downfalls?

    I have no problem hunting down and kicking out the idiots who run these banks and had a huge part in screwing the country over, but of the 109 who make over 150k a year, I’m sure many have worked long and hard to get into that position, and have had literally nothing to do with any financial crisis..

    Maybe I’m wrong, but as long as these people are just faceless “make more money than average” folk, I see no reason for the outcry against them. There’s a line between hatred towards people who screwed this country over and hatred towards people who make more money than us. I’d rather not cross it.

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    • When theyre independent of state support good luck to them. Pay what u like. But don’t tell me all these people were hired post bailout. Surely not?

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    • Scrap, the point is we don’t know the answer to that question, or anything about them at all. I fully accept some of these guys could be somewhat responsible, but the idea that all 109 of them have had a part in the banking crisis or the downfall of our economy just seems a bit mad to me.

      I don’t like pulling numbers out of my ass to make a point, but I’d be surprised if even 10% of those had any influence how how things went down.

      But again, my point is that we simply don’t know. Trust me, if more info came out and all 109 turned out to be proven a-holes who saw this coming and kept going, I’ll be the first to retract my comment and call for their heads.

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    • Chuck u have a point, they’re not all responsible for what happened before now. But lots of businesses have failed and I don’t see the state rushing in to pay 24 of their staff 400k+ a year.

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  • This data was taken back in 2006 but the latest figures are even worse:
    According to a report by Tasc, an independent think tank concerned with economic inequality, of the EU-15, Ireland ranked first in terms of earning inequality in 2006. In a survey they conducted as part of their
    research they found that well over two-thirds (70%) of respondents felt that wealth is
    distributed unfairly in Ireland. OECD findings support this analysis of wealth distribution,
    citing Irish wealth distribution as among the most unequal in the developed world.
    Unfortunately the study of wealth distribution in Ireland has been quite limited so far.

    Reminds me of Paris before the guilotines were dusted down!

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  • Up higher dear. Ur gone down a bit far

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  • March on the 24 November and show your outrage .

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  • David 15/11/12 #

    Think it was around this time last year that Eric Cantona was encouraging people to withdraw money from French financial institutions en masse.

    He was probably on to something in his own enigmatic way.

    Anyone using this institution has no right to complain. Those salaries are immoral and customers should have no qualms about taking their business elsewhere. The best way to protest is to force them out of business. Govt won’t be able to justify pumping money into a bank with no customers.

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  • Take your savings from the bank, invest in an post prize bonds…that’s my lottery this year. Excitement of thinking that you might win, restful knowing I’m not helping to pay those ridiculous fatcat wages.

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  • If we told the a bank everyone on a petition will close their accounts on a set date they might back down on high pay it Would also put pressure on the government to tackle this
    people have power over banks they need our cash
    They did it in Netherlands

    http://in.mobile.reuters.com/article/idINL6E8HSCXY20120628?irpc=932

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  • Arbitrasure,I acknowledge that in other countries staff in similar roles earn much more,but why are any of those staff worthy of such wages? After a certain amount of time in a job a person is either competent at it or not. Their jobs may involve considerable stress and time to gain this competence but so do numerous jobs,many of which are much more important e.g a doctor or fireman saving lives daily.I think a belief that they are superior or worthy of such wages is absurd. Unless the work of these members of staff are making great strides to reduce their deficit their wages should should be no higher than yours or mine

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  • Money lenders were historically despised by society. Unfortunately the distribution of capital is a necessary thing in a progressive economy. However people should never forget that banking is parasitic. Bankers are not your friends, and they call the shots nationally and internationally

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  • The ”Fine Bank That Stood on its Own Two Feet” and didn’t need help from the taxpayer.

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  • There’s a mistake in the headline on this piece. Please substitute ‘getting’ for ‘earning’.

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  • Oh we deserve all we get, silly , stupid Paddies.

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  • M Bowe 16/11/12 #

    If property rights are enshrined in the constitution how does CAB. Manage to seize cash and property. And no ones income can possibly be covered by the constitution otherwise it be in constitutional to sack anyone.

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  • JakkiB 16/11/12 #

    So public sector pensions are dipped and private sector pensions are untouchable…hmmm sounds like another class conquer & divide, So does this “Law” only apply to banks?!?!? What about the workers in Guineys or other places that went bust and the workers lost their pension!!

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  • Holy fr%king s+it

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  • You all seem shocked!!!

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  • ….and they wonder why people are angry . This is just so ridiculous.

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  • ” We are where we are” ” the green jersey” you just got to love being Irish

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  • State only owns 15%. BOI is untouchable.

    If you want 400k per annum yourself, apply for the job if you are worth it. Or go start your own company and create some wealth if you are capable.

    400k is bottom rung if you are any good at what you do in banking/financial services on a global level.

    Let’s not diminish Ireland to the extent of establishing we are a pack of leprechauns that must accept 100k for a job you’d get paid 10 times more for in a proper financial capital. It will deter any talent from wanting to live and work here.

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    • Like the “talent” who used to run the banks? I get it now

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    • No, not like the talent who used to run the banks. That’s an oxymoron. And one, as a nation, we were always happy with. Let’s not get too smart with our 2020 hindsight here.

      I don’t think Boucher suffers fools. He is on a capitalist mission to justify Bank of Ireland internationally and will rip out any costs he doesn’t need in achieving that goal. He has real shareholders to answer to.

      Call a spade a spade.

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    • Would that be the same “talent” that got us into this mess?

      400k may be the “bottom rung if you are any good at what you do” but we’ve yet to see any signs of competence from these people.

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    • Arbitrasure, he doesn’t have “real shareholders to answer to”.
      He has shareholder block-votes from his fellow financial industries to answer to.
      Witness the recent Bank EGM’s where “real shareholders” who lost their life savings were refused answers and left powerless to effect board changes.

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    • His shareholders are as real as ever. Putting their money at risk in order to make a gain.

      It is a shame how people lost so much money in BOI shares in the past. But that’s shares for you. Your money is at risk. You make gains, you make losses. No such thing as a free lunch. Nobody can claim the promise of share ownership is any different.

      Blindly buying a share because your well-paid broker on a fat commission tells you it is “blue chip” is always an option, but decide for yourself. What criteria do you use when you buy a car?

      The real question right now is – do you buy BOI stock?

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    • OU812 15/11/12 #

      Then they should lose 15% of the salary. as they’re 15% state employees. Wholly owned company, I couldn’t give a toss what anyone earns, their money, their business, but when it’s state money, I think we should have a say in how it’s spent.

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    • Arbitrasure
      You say call a spade a spade …
      I prefer to call a tool a tool.
      This is daylight robbery , it is immoral and no one is worth that kind of salary , in this day and age . No one .
      We , the taxpayers bailed out the banks , and they are Not lookjhg after us .But they are well looking after themselves.

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    • As difficult as it mealy be to accept, this hombre speaks the truth. A high quality standard of employee is required and these wages are NOTHING compared to the real leakage in our economy. so all in perspective lets get back to the real issues.

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    • The real issue is the hoarding of wealth by greedy and immoral (and often incompetent) individuals while people are suffering for want basic of basic necessities.

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  • Can’t we all be friends? I’m certainly not going to get stressed by bankers or anybody elses salary. This is simply flavour of the month and when we all stop talking about it they will still be earning the same amount of money as before

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  • This sort of news makes me sick. Ireland has its head in the sand so deep it defies logic. Measures have to be taken by ordinary folk to express our will for change.
    Options are limited but as someone said perhaps if we used google translate and sent these messages in German to the troika we might have a better shot at success.
    The only group with more power them the “insiders” in the banks is Merkel and her lot. Lets direct our steam at her and you might see a result. Our Gov have known about these salaries for years and did nothing about it.
    Angela. Please examine the wages and salaries if the top 1000 bankers on Ireland.
    Angela. Bitte prüfen Sie die Löhne und Gehälter, wenn die Top-1000-Banker auf Irland

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  • ffs

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  • Can’t we all be friends? I’m certainly not going to get stressed by bankers or anybody elses salary. This is simply flavour of the month and when we all stop talking about it they will still be

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  • March on the 24th

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  • i dont agree with the privacy of good decent human beings being being evaded. what have we become as a nation that we care what those worthy of a decent salary get paid. Pay them what they like they’re in stressful jobs and we owe a lot of the success in recent months to these people. disgraceful.

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  • These people deserve it, they helped make this country what it is today!

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