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Pro-life ‘robo-calls’ to Irish numbers came from United States

ComReg and the Data Protection Commissioner say because the calls came from abroad, they can take no action against them.

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IRELAND’S COMMUNICATIONS and data privacy regulators have determined the automated phone calls targeted at Irish phone numbers late last year actually came from the United States – meaning they are powerless to take action against them.

A joint investigation by the Data Protection Commissioner and ComReg has found that the calls, which were made to Irish numbers last November, originated in the United States where such robotic calls are permitted under law.

The calls appeared on caller ID systems to have originated from an 01 number, leading many to assume that the calls had been made from Dublin.

Now, however, it has emerged that the appearance of the 01 number was feigned from the United States – and that the calls actually came from the other side of the Atlantic Ocean.

This is despite the fact that the 01 number in question – which was disconnected a few days after the calls began – played the same recorded message as was used by the automated calls.

It is thought that the Irish number had been directly routed back to the United States, where the message – recorded by a man with an Irish accent – was originally based.

In emails written to Irish residents who had complained about the calls, the Data Protection Commissioner said it had liaised “with the appropriate law enforcement authorities in Washington on this matter,” and had “presented them with details of the campaign and the levels of complaints received”.

The emails state:

We have now been informed that the US law enforcement authorities are unable to assist our investigations. They have explained that the phone call campaign in question does not contravene US law and, for that reason, they have no basis on which to initiate investigations in the US in relation to the perpetrators of the campaign.

Regrettably, therefore, we are unable to pursue the matter any further. Had the calls been made from within Ireland there would have been scope to pursue prosecution proceedings in relation to calls made to landline phone numbers registered on the National Directory Database opt-out register.

However, as the calls were made from the USA, there is no scope for the law enforcement authorities in Ireland to take any action against the perpetrators.

The DPC had previously said it had received about 500 complaints over the calls, which would have carried fines of up to €5,000 for the perpetrators if the calls had been made from Ireland.

The automated message carried indirect quotes from Professor Eamon O’Dwyer, a veteran obstetrician from Galway, outlining that doctors were always obliged to intervene to save the life of an expectant mother even when doing so would lead to the death of a child.

“Ireland’s ban on abortion does not prevent doctors from acting to save women’s life,” the recording said. “Claims that doctors cannot intervene to safe mothers in dangers are untrue.”

The full message – which O’Dwyer said he had no involvement in – can be heard here.


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  • American christian fundamentalists interfering in our affairs.

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    • where exactly does the article talk about American christian fundamentalists interfering in our affairs ?

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    • It’s well known that the American Christian right give substantial funding to the Irish anti-choice movement.

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    • It’s common knowledge that the likes of Youth Defence are hugely funded from the US. Who do you think is donating if not Christian fundamentalists? Atheist liberals?

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    • youth defense have a very big support base in Ireland , many professional workers contribute substantially to their kitty , and so they should , there a great bunch of lads and girls doing wonderful work in this country.

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    • When you try to make a donation on the Youth Defence website it’s in US dollars via Truthtv.org, an American company, can’t ignore such facts when it suits

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    • If there is one thing American christian fundamentalists like, its interfering in the affairs of others. That and bombing people in the middle east. As long as your a fetus your grand.

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    • What good do they do?

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    • and it’s well known Chuck Feeney US billionaire funds Irish pro abortion outfits.

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    • Feeney is Irish-American, and it’s no secret where the funding comes from, he has invested over €600m in higher education in both Northern Ireland and the Republic, but as usual, anti-choice folk love to have a boogeyman, it’s like Chinese whispers. There is no evidence to suggest Feeney has provided any funding for pro-choice organisations, he has donated to the Irish Council for Civil Liberties, which encompasses all civil rights issues.

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    • ‘There (I assume you mean they’re?) a great bunch of lads doing wonderful work blah blah blah. You’ve shown yourself to be a troll so therefore no further communication necessary.

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    • Judging by the lack of printed signs, funded events, national advertising, buses to take people to rallies, sound systems, giant tv screens and online ad campaigns, if I were Feeney I’d be asking serious questions about where the millions in prochoice funding is going.

      I often wonder if Karl and the anti-choicers read back their obvious lies and realise how ridiculous they sound. I guess not.

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    • Owned by Gaius.

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    • Youth Defence are thugs. I witnessed them in Molesworth Street in 1983 get out of a van with Hurley sticks. They discredit the pro-life agenda and they are the incipience of a fascist movement in Ireland.

      Threatening your fellow citizens is anti-democratic.

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    • Peter, I’d be interested in hearing about your experiences that day. Please email, FB, Google, or Tweet me, if you’re happy to chat.

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    • peter richardson says ” they are the incipience of a fascist movement in Ireland”

      I think you’ll find peter that the only fascists at present monopolising the media (print and online) telling people what to do and how they should think are the pro abortionist / anti life brigade , sadly good people like youth defense are not allowed any coverage in the irish media , the same media which is supposed to be award winning for its openess but yet seeks to vilify anybody questioning the libertarian agenda or anybody questioning EU treaties at referendum times , these people are not allowed in the so called “new Ireland” media , however by keeping people down only serves to make them stronger as we’ve seen down through generations of Irish history.

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    • On the contrary, I think you’ll find that the ones acting like fascists are Youth Defence, who are demanding that the government ignore supreme court judgements, and who insist on telling women what to do with their bodies.

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  • Hardly a surprise

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  • Couldn’t the authorities order phone companies to block incoming calls from the number?
    Sure the number would change periodically but it might be a way to cut down on the annoyance and uphold some sort of law.

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  • Graham 14/02/13 #

    Wow I’m shocked lol. Who would of thought those calls came from America. I thought Pro Life only got their funding from there.

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  • Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t they need someone in Ireland to set up the Dublin landline through which the calls were routed? Can’t the Ireland-based accomplices be prosecuted? (if they exist)

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    • Setting a phone number to divert its calls elsewhere isn’t a crime. That’s all the Irish person would have needed to do.

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    • Well hopefully the regulations can be altered to include people who assist nuisance callers in the future. ARE YOU LISTENING COM REG?

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    • Maybe you could try diverting your message to them? What if they dont see it here?

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    • They’re ComReg. They see all on the internets.

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    • Change the regulations and then who decides what is classified as a “nuisance call”?

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    • Carl.
      As someone who worked in the industry and is familiar with communications regulation I should inform you of the regulations surrounding unsolicited calls.

      If you sign up to be on the DNC (Do Not Call) register, then no Irish company may contact you without prior permission (for example – if they are providing you a service they may contact you for specific issues, but they are not permitted to make sales calls to you). If they do, they face fines.

      The only reason that these calls are legal is because Comreg does not have jurisdiction outside of our borders. Automated diallers are also illegal here, but not in the US – as the calls originated in the US and the US condones their use, the case hits a stalemate.

      This was a very snide way to subvert Irish communications regulations rules on the matter. These rules were put in place due to companies ignoring people’s wishes not to be contacted and the level of complaints that it generated.

      Sneaky, dishonest and underhand.. Oh what a surprise..

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    • @Carl – Who decides what a nuisance call is? Well, all of the people who complain about getting them for a start. And I think what Shanti explained there has the definition pretty well covered.

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  • Ultimately I see this as a good news story for the Pro-Choice side. The more people know about where the pro-lifers get their funding, the better. Hopefully more people will see that the web videos, print ads and robo-calls are just re-packaged foreign propaganda masquerading as the views of a non-existent Irish majority.

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    • Agreed. Whoever runs their promotional arm should get their ass kicked. Between robo-calls, misleading poster ads they didn’t have image rights to, and spamming Facebook feeds they’re not exactly winning any friends which is brilliant frankly. Keep on keeping in YD.

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  • The Irish regulator should place every Irish phone number on the USA’s “Do Not Call” list.

    It’s free and would mean that the USA government would be able to legally pursue these thugs in the future.

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    • Wouldn’t these people be better off spending their time directing their energies towards campaigning to change the gun laws in the US

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    • They’re the ones who are most intend on keeping their guns, the right wing christian fundamentalists are the most pro gun faction in the US, think tea party types! The same numpties are also trying to interfere in the abortion debate over here hence the dirty tricks, groups like youth defence are being funded by these right wing religious zealots who see it as their right to shoot living people but at the same time protect foetuses! Crazy people!

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  • I received one of these calls and was not impressed My views and opinions are my own and I certainly dont need a bunch of idiots trying to “convert” me Cant understand how someone in the U.S. can get my phone number when I am ex directory ….so much for privacy!!

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    • Well said Anna Marie, That’s exactly what I’ve been wondering. I’m ex Directory too. I confirmed it with Vodafone this afternoon. That’s what needs investigating. How and who leaked our information to that group and what else did they get hold of, our direct debit details, our credit card numbers?

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    • I sincerely hope that they do not have your details, if it is any consolation automated diallers can be set in different ways, some are simply going to call all numbers within a certain range, some will be connected and others won’t.
      There are dialler systems which operate with specific details too, but I would imagine setting it to call all numbers from 100000-999999 with a specific prefix is much easier to program..

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  • Desperate times need desperate measures. The anti-abortion zealots know their time is coming to a close.

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  • Hardly surprising.. The vast majority of the funding and support for the anti choice campaign comes from the states, and due to their actions they have a reputation for disrespecting people’s privacy and using sneaky tactics to push their agenda..

    You just know that they did this in this specific manner knowing full well that there would be nothing anyone could do about it. Just like when they spam your Facebook news feed with their “sponsored” statuses and shoving their leaflets in your hand and telling rape victims that they were to blame for their attack..

    Such a highly moral group eh?

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    • Barry 14/02/13 #

      It seems the so called pro life crowd don’t like you stating facts about how they get their funding

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    • That’s fair enough, they’re entitled to not like it, it doesn’t change the facts.

      As Geoffshorts has proven through analysing the following of these groups – most of their support is indeed American.
      American Christian lobbyists have admitted that they contribute massively to the Irish anti choice campaign (and they do these call for them).
      And their representatives make rather insensitive comments to rape victims such as the following:
      https://m.facebook.com/notalwaysabetteroption/posts/570196166324049

      If they don’t like that – perhaps they should move to change the campaigns tactics rather than just having an issue with the truth..

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  • Well I’d love to know what Irish group are behind the Life Institute full page “pro-life” anti-legislation ads in the local media? Dungarvan Observer carried one today and I wonder if they’re in other papers too. These ads don’t come cheap.
    Three quotes from obstetricians/psychiatrists from the hearings – wonder if they appreciate being linked to this dubious outfit, and also if the quotes out of context are truly representational?

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  • Adoption arguments aside, I would consider this a legal loophole that should be closed up. If an identifying number accompanies a message (textual or voice), then the reciever should be entitled to consider that identifier as being true or accurate. This not being the case – where the identifier is apparently just supplied as a take-it-or-leave-it courtesy – leaves great room for misuse (think of phishing scams or stalking).

    Understandably, where mass-messaging is concerned (eg. school texting services, or commercial ‘update’ services) then considerations would have to be made, but the ultimate originator of the message should surely be located within the same legal jurisdiction, and therefore subject to the same communication laws that apply to everyone else.

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  • Whose phones are they targeting, is it random, or do they have confidential information which they are not entitled to use?? There’s the questions need answering.
    And if I ever get some interfering God-bothering bible-thumping knobend phoning me, I will tell them in no uncertain terms to “feck off” and mind their own business. That’s harassment and it isn’t right.

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    • Only it was a recording. Your F off would have literally landed on the same deaf ears as trying to reason with them in person..

      As I said above, hopefully they don’t have actual info and merely set the dialler to call a range eg (01)100000 – (01) 9999999. But as you say it is rather important that we find out what method was used to select numbers to ensure there has not been a breach of confidence with a database here.

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  • I just clicked off the receiver. I was not called again. Of course it is wrong that these robocalls are made but they are counterproductive.

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  • Good to know you can get around Irish law if you just commit the crime from another country where it is not illegal.

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  • Professor Eamon O’Dwyer is linked in a number of articles on Youth Defence website, including the following
    http://www.youthdefence.ie/latest-news/major-medical-symposium-in-dublin-concludes-that-abortion-is-not-medically-necessary-to-save-the-life-of-a-mother/
    The calls were traced to a company called Parenthood USA – a Pro Life campaign group. Interestingly in their news section they mention that Professor Eamon O’Dwyer was the lead spokesman at a Youth Defence-organised conference at which Professor Eamon O’Dwyer made the comments used in the phone message
    http://www.personhoodusa.com/news

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  • Drone attacks are legal too. Careful

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  • I dont see what the problem is , I got one and was more than happy to receive it unlike the FG/FF rubbish that comes in the letterbox

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  • Typical reaction from Irish nanny-staters something they don’t like and there has to be a government intervention or more rules and regulations. Ever hear of the concept of hanging up the phone? Not everything has to require some form of government intervention.

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    • Carl.
      These calls were received by people who had specifically requested no unsolicited calls, people who were ex directory and so their number should not have been available to unknown strangers, some people’s children answered the phone, some women who had had abortions for very personal and painful reasons were hit with these calls..

      Oh yeah, just hang up the phone.. It’s that simple, how about these over zealous anti choicers have a bit of respect for people’s rights to privacy?

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    • Barry 14/02/13 #

      Carl, you know your right.

      It’s a nanny state, we should allow abortions…. After all who is the state to tell us we can’t or to put rules in place?

      Free choice for all women, down with the nanny state

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    • Meh, can’t even take his “argument” remotely seriously: Carl’s a troll.

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    • Barry , what does free choice actually mean , am I free to go out and take someone elses life without being imprisoned ? no , therefore why should you want to make an exception for a woman to do just that

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  • But Sean , I thought you Libertarian people had the philosophy that everyone is entitled to exert their rights even if it offends others.

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