The road they march up is a main arterial route from a mainly Protestant area to another mainly Protestant area.

It’s also one that could be easily re-routed, the only reason they march there is to wind the locals up.

What is your alternative route?

maybe some kind of large vehicle with wheels should be used to transport through the ardoyne. A bus perhaps.
also it might be smart to keep the orange regalia off until they reach the marching area.
Again i know these ideas are very far fetched and almost in the realm of science fiction but it might decrease tension.

Well anytime a bus full of orange men pass through a nationalist area it gets bricked. And don’t forget, the residents group, GARC held a counter protest after the dozen or so orange men returned,the GARC march was a 2000 strong mob (as can be seen in the pictures) and the only thing it did was to raise tensions, to bring more people onto the street the result was a riot between nationalist and police and unionists and police and a lovely BMW that probably belonged to a local resident destroyed by their own neighbours.

@JJ Rossi, my alternative is that all sectarian parades should be banned full stop. Would the KKK be allowed to match through Harlem just cos it’s their most convenient way home?

I agree, would love to see them all banned, but thats not going to happen so a compromise has to be reached, but as yet no one has come up with one that works.

JJ Rossi.

If the Orange Order talked to the residents then a compromise might be possible but it really is shoving it up to the residents that the extremists in these lodges refuse to even talk to them. Wouldn’t even sit at the same table as them.

If the leaders of the Orange Order were pulled in one day and threatened with incitement to hatred, incitement to murder, promoting public disorder, and there is no shortage of evidence for all 3 charges, then they would change their attitude quickly.

The trouble was not after the Orange lodge march, it was after the counter march by GARC later, many of the people in that march were bussed in from other areas to take part as is usual. Its an excuse for dissidents to make trouble and attack police. You cant blame orange men because someone on the nationalist side fired 10 gun shots at police. Yes there was trouble on both sides but the majority was from nationalists, as was the trouble in Derry and the trouble in Broadway a few days ago and a few weeks prior to that where there was no parades.

To me it is all hypocritical. These marches on 12th July are all about violence, past and present. If they feel they want to hold on to these type of marches they should be done in their area and in a more democratic, peaceful and equal way. It’s just inciting violence again and again, to look at the young faces in those pictures is sad as it is the next generation. The next generation is important to Northern Ireland, it’s them and their children that will decide on the future of the 6 counties.

I still saw bigotry, hatred and arrogance in people voices and faces when interviewed yesterday by the Nth BBC. Very sad, some things have not changed and I doubt if they ever will.

Wow, 87 red thumbs because i stated a FACT! Look at a map, its the route from one area into the city centre. Sorry you guys don’t like facts.

JJ Rossi………….. BUS BUS BUS BUS BUS BUS

Well we celebrate VE day, the americans celebrate 4th July, irish celebrate the easter rising, Lots of people celebrate the birth of some chap in the middle east on 25th december, so 12th july is no more rediculios than those.

Are you really comparing the Battle of the Boyne to the birth of Jesus Christ or American independence?

Yes, I’m saying they are all daft.

To be fair, you don’t find Christians matching outside Jewish houses singing anti-semitic songs on Christmas day though

How are the houses Jewish? Only kidding.

The 12th is very much about the hear and now. It is about reminding the taigs who is in control, who their superiors are. This is all about the here and now.

Why else would the Order go out of their way to march in the only catholic stretch of this march route. They gave up 90% of it, just to be able to rub the papes noses in it.

The Orange Order marches always stop and and play outside of Churches and places where loyalist killings took place. They are one of the few groupings I have ever heard of that celebrate killings of random people. Other groups around the world may commemorate theirs that died but the OO celebrate the random brutality of killing the first Catholic they meet. As evil an organization as I ever heard of.

Sorry Rossi, I might be mistaken buit the Easter rising isnt something I see celebrated, maybe it should be but if anything I see any commemoration being frowned upon and its not like the relatives of the the people executed go to the front door of the kids of the english victims and start marching up and down theyre street.Point is its ridiculous to us that dont live there. Would it be cool for germans to march in jewish areas to commemorate the holocaust?

Any more ludicrous than celebrating a saint who lived 1500 years ago?

I don’t think the residents of Ardoyne cared, too busy throwing petrol bombs and shooting at the police and generally demonstrating how both sides as as bad as each other and we should just sink the entire place into the sea.

JJ we don’t get taught to respect facts during history at school it’s all us versus them and good luck changing any closed minds down here with nonsense like facts.

JJ we don’t get taught to respect facts during history at school it’s all us versus them and good luck changing any closed minds down here with nonsense like facts.

JJ we don’t get taught to respect facts during history at school it’s all us versus them and good luck changing any closed minds down here with nonsense like facts.

Well just stop this sectarian march going through an area where it causes offence & is therefore not wanted & there wouldn’t be any trouble in Ardoyne every July.

They’d still manage to find some way of wrecking the place

attack the post not the poster. The same rubbish happens every 12th July

If a nuclear bomb was dropped on Belfast you can be sure that if there was one orange man and one nationalist left alive, they would soon get back to thumping each other as soon as possible.

Nah, Strongbow.If Captain Planet has taught us anything it’s that if a nuke were dropped on Belfast the last remaining orange man and nationalist would open a bakery together.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQJrovKgrTw

Why do t the Catholics just wait for them to arrive and march ahead of them with their own flags and music and banter?

Not remember the last time they tried to march in Dublin?

Let them, no trouble with that, but there are no catholic streets there, so who is there to crap down on. For them to march in the Boyne valley, they would have to actually have to give a toss about the battle there, and that is not what the Order is about.

Martin, the rest of your surname wouldn’t happen to be Aleese would it?

Don’t worry, they burnt more than one, of course they weren’t Orange men’s cars but cars that belonged to local people as is the morn. They also burnt 5 in Derry, not near any parades, just for the craic.

That stephen is the most intelligent, well thought out comment I have ever heard. some people will come to the conclusion that you are simply a closed minded fascist, but not me.

I’m really sorry Stephen, I accidentally green thumbed your venomous tripe. My bad.

Sorry what I meant to say was the police should hand out balloons and free hugs to both sides. Show them love through interpretive dance and face painting. That will solve everyone’s problems. We should start fundraising to send them wooden pallets to burn and stones to throw. O’Carrolls gift shops could sponsor them all with free tricolours.

Ah the old carrot or stick approach. I believe your proposed “free hugs” approach might be the best to start with. If they start throwing the chocolate and puppies at each other we can then go with the stick approach.

Brilliant!

I’ll get Stormount on the line immediately.

Expect a knighthood young man!

Just wall the whole place off and leave them at it

Well you saw the size of the lens I was using

Injured, twenty total from all areas.

Toorkeel, whilst you are grateful not to have to endure this, you are coming across as quite smug. I have a lot of friends up North who have had to endure these marches and bullying all their lives, and it is no picnic. No need to be so smug about it.

So lets abandon the Nationalist majority once more is it toorkeel, rather than face up to the massive wrongs and intimidation that they faced.

That didn’t work out they way it was expected to in the late 60′s did it.

Is this actually a serious comment. So glad members of your family never had to suffer for being catholic and Irish through gerrymandering, collusion, internment or murder and then have to get this sectarian spectacle rubbed in your face every year to make sure that we Fenians know whose the boss. But yea hope your a proud Irish man enjoying the freedoms of your republic which would neither tolerate or accept such unreasonable and blatant inflammatory marches.

Firstly. I’m far from being smug. I’m being brutally honest. Secondly, I don’t agree with marchers choosing to travel through flashpoint areas just because they see it as being the Queens Highway and are entitled to it. A little common sense could avoid these situations. In the same breath, watching nationalist troublemakers fire petrol bombs at police and generally cause mayhem is equally irresponsible and disgraceful. Two wrongs don’t make a right. @Fagans. What are you on about, Nationalist majority, and abandoning who exactly? You are assuming every Catholic is a Nationalist, which is most definitely not the case. Even they were, they would not be in a majority in NI…..

toorkeel in Areas where the orange men have treated their neighbors like equals and negotiated a settlement there have been only minor problems, Take the apprentice boys of Derry (note they refer to themselves as the apprentice boys of Derry, not Londonderry!) as an example. When you act like a bigot form the Southern states of America and think you are better than your fellow citizens then you will have trouble. Jaw Jaw, not War War

Mark seriously you need to stay in North Belfast for a while. I moved down here to get away from it. Others cannot afford that luxury. The Marches are the pointy end of the sword, sectarianism is alive and well 365 days a year. Do you expect people to stay behind closed doors all year round. The Bigots would love that.

Mark you really have to experience an orange order march to see how intimidating they can be.
The orange order is by its very definition a sectarian group and some of the marches (not all) were just organized to intimidate the catholics/nationalists in the area.

It’s because of ignorant people like you that I would love them to go marching in the south… See how you like the sound of them singing songs about killing Irishmen and burning flags bearing the names of the innocent victims of the atrocities they celebrate

Yawn Zzzzzzzz nobody cares anymore about these mindless idiots. Hollywood stopped making movies years ago, move on and grow up, it’s getting boring at this stage. Zzzzz

For most of the last 200 years, the 12th week meant parades all day, and waking up to find drunk Orange Men had beaten or shot some poor randomer because he was Catholic the night before. Then his family would have to face taunts as the Order marched by, people from the March shouting at the house, if such and such is at home, knowing well he was beaten to death by Loyalists. That is the reality of the Orange Order, that is normal behaviour for the Order and was repeated again across the North for the last few days. People have to put up with these marches again and again from March to November.

They have nothing to do with Ulster Scots culture just an espousal of pure hatred and supremacy. You banned from marrying catholics upon joining. It like the nuremberg race laws, with these Orange Nazi’s.

15 old men walking down the street in ridiculous hats? Perhaps if one of them is Malcolm McDowell but otherwise hardly intimidating and not something I would get offended by