If u ask me it’s more a social class thing. Rich prods and Catholics seem to get on just fine

Couldn’t agree more with with the social class argument. They are two sides of the lazy class and nothing else.

“the lazy class” lol

what about the robbing class that keeps this “lazy class” in deprivation? nothing to do with them no?

take your classism and Imperialism back to your Tory circle-jerk in the House of Lords you cretin

I think that’s incorrect the report I read says there are 4k a year only a handful are contenscous but don’t let facts open your mind

Fagan

I have left photo links further up the page, one of them is for a photo of the Bloody Sunday victims bonfire. I was absolutely disgusted when I saw it. These people are the lowest of the low and beyond contempt and I’m surprised the Journal didnt post some photos showing just how nasty, evil and biggoted the OO is. I can only hope that no one loses their life tonight.

I had a look at some of those photos and I didn’t find them all that disturbing. On the other hand pictures of youths in Celtic jerseys throwing petrol bombs on the street is something I find disturbing.

You’re not a very nice person.

Have another look. Desecrating the memory of a murdered child, is to my mind disturbing, to say the least.

Hollis Brown = obvious troll.

The orange order don’t organise bonfires they are created by kids again don’t let facts get in the way of your bile

Brian- the orange other don’t recognise bonfires?! Really? Even the ones they build on the 11th?? I have to say that statement takes a fair matching, as the saying goes. So u believe the most sectarian organisation in western Europe is something other than it
Is? Wowza ;)

by “ordinary” I’m assuming you mean middle-class?

Ordinary as in the non bigoted/racist/sectarian/idiot type really

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Protesters-burn-British-flag-as-Queen-carries-on-with-historic-visit–VIDEO-122142434.html?mob-ua=Y

The PSNI don’t decide what parades happen its the parades commission (which has republican membership) and the OO in this instance complied with the parades commission. But still there were riots, so yet again feel free to ignore the facts and please don’t let facts open your closed minds

Why is the parade so big then if most leave are they coming from Scotland?

Harmless banter and you were afraid to open your mouth for fear somebody would notice your Southern accent? Thanks for the laugh. Can’t wait for the KKK meeting, such lovely chaps.

Yes it was harmless banter when they assumed I was there to celebrate with them but they may have taken exception if I had commented. Of course they might have been fine but I was aware that there was a lot of drink on board with some folk so I was interested to just observe and experience the more pleasant celebrations on the 12th. I was also conscious of all the young children there too. I did hear some Scottish and English accents also.

I agree with you Eimear. The police should enforce a policy of no tolerance to hate incitement and the removal of offensive material from the bonfires. Surely if a neighbourhood doesn’t want a march down their road their rights for peace should be respected. By allowing these marches to proceed is it not the equivalent of burning crosses outside the homes of African Americans. Civilised people condemn that sort of behaviour. If everyone purposely went about their normal day and ignored them, remove their power. With no one to extract their entertainment from they may get bored and slither back under their rocks. I feel so sorry for the people trying to raise their families and live their lives in peace up there (on both sides) Belfast and the North of Ireland is such a beautiful place with lovely people, it’s such a pity that it’s scars are not allowed to heal.

You’d want to read up on your history there, buddy. The battle of the Boyne was two foreign belligerents.

James you should know as you’re apparently named after the one the Irish fought for.

It was Irish policemen using the water cannon. Would you refer to go back to rubber bullets?

Actually Cameron gave the okay for water cannon during the riots last year but all the water cannons they had were in NI. Also they work good in situations like this where you are preventing people from getting into another area but widespread citywide rioting not so much.

Ben did it ever occur to you that Ardoyne is in Ireland?

They actually did use plastic bullets Ben

@TDF, but that is my point Thomas , Irish police turning water cannon on Irish rioters.

@Conor, even so water cannon is a non lethal option in these situations.

No it’s just these idiots using this as an excuse……. a vessel for violence

Michael. Who are the idiots?

Both side I think!

sides

For more photos from the other side

http://twitpic.com/a6je3t Note that this is beside a childrens playground

This once includes a Polish born SDLP candidate http://twitpic.com/a6iysc

And last but not least, however it is particularly vile given the use of the names of the 14 inocent victims of bloody Sunday.

As long as tribalism remains the accepted norm in the six counties, bigoted hatred will continue to be fed to future generations. The British and Irish governments need to put an end to this once and for all.

Sorry forgot to include the last link

http://t.co/vdSrcknJ

Another one Ann, this time from Ballymena, where the Order, had on their bonfire a tri-colour with “F,,, you Mickey Bo”. Mickey was a 15 yr old who was beaten to death by a dozen loyalist men.

Naturally, same as every year, this kind of carry on will not be condemned by the Orange Order. Why would they, it is what they are about.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_tNOyBkfRZwU/SkibuB-lGpI/AAAAAAAAALw/d_Z1yoDIdWs/s200/bon3.jpg

God love that poor childs parents seeing that. Words fail me.

I think the ‘idiots’ are the inflammatory amoebas who build bomfires with pictures of the pope, irish soccer jerseys, the irish tricolour etc. stacked high ready to burn. The same people who insist on marching down streets/through estates which have an overwhelming nationalist majority in the full knowledge of how it inevitably leads to tension & violence, given how unwelcome they are

Ann we don’t want them leeches they started it in the first place with their shit called religion.I wouldn’t want that lot having influence again as they have done enough damage.

They’d probably be shot off it by the PSNI. I’m a great backer of the peace process etc but the North has a bit to go yet b4 I could imagine nationalists employing Loyalist tactics and getting away with it.

Martin. Their cars would simply be rammed of the roads by the RUC. People try sit down peaceful protests and are simply battened and beaten off the roads. The RUC will gladly help clear any obstruction from the roads for these bigots.

A few hundred nuns, priests, deacons and vicars,in full habbits roseary beads in hand on their knees praying on the Ardoyne Road – the world press would have a field day with that one and would show the world once and for all just how bigoted the OO are. Why have the religious orders in the six counties not done this?

Off with you so, and dont forget to do a placard reading “down with this sort of thing”. And eh make sure you dont wear anything either green or orange, you dont want to offend anyone or make matters worse than they already are!!!

So up there isn’t the UK? Maybe buy an atlas the red line you see will be an internationally recognised border, if you do it up there you will need sterling by the way

Those photos show a not particularly nice area in north Belfast… That’s hardly a fair representation of activities throughout the north today

Not if their traditions are disrespecting our dead, burning the tricolour and spreading hate and intimidation. I was disgusted to see that Leo Varadkar went up to his Loyalist buddies to take part in the celebrations. He ought to be ashamed of himself. Fine Gael really are a disgrace to our country.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/varadkar-in-north-for-twelfth-visit-558806.html

We know Paul. Yes, we know only too well what Fianna Failed stands for.

*British Rule

your link is not working.

The 12th of July is a holiday in the North

On the Dole most of them can you not see the way they dress.

If the likes of you hadn’t turned your back on the North for decades, when half the populace was a low in status as a black in 50′s Alabama then we wouldn’t have had all the trouble of last few decades. Yere chant 40 years ago was they can shove their one man, one vote, where the sun don’t shine. It doesn’t affect us here in Dublin. That didn’t work out too well, now did it.

The days of hiding your head in the sand are long over Johnny. Time to face reality, its a small Island and we all have to live on it together.

John
I am proud to be Irish . However I am NOT proud of the violent bigoted idiots who terrorrise people in their homes or on their doorsteps , I am not proud of any group who parade their colours in a triumphalist manner through neighbourhoods knowing that the people there do not support their beliefs. I am not proud of the people who throw effigies or the names of murdered individuals onto the massive bonfires where they also burn the green white and orange flag.These people are not nice or decent when they get into their vicious little marauding packs.
But by god I am proud to be Irish . These people do not represent us Irish , they represent nothing only show themselves up to be the narrow minded bigoted violent sad cases they always were . So much for the Peace Process !!!

I supposed your great grandfather was a lunatic back in 1916-22 as well? How easily you think that your conscience is clear just because your forefather did the dirty work for you so you could regard yourself as a free irishman….god…the ignorance.ll

Well john it was the south and Britain made a pact to set up this sectarian state! The republic forsaken all it’s citizens in these six counties to hands of armed British soldiers and blood thirsty loyalist paramilitaries , so john as one Irish man to another , you don’t have a clue what it is like to live here!

John you are not getting the point one side does not want to be Irish that’s the problem and would be insulted if you called them such,so don’t be ashamed.

To those who red thumbed or responded negatively to my comment… Would one of you please tell me what place does yesterday’s scenes of violence, triumphalism , republicanism and extreme loyalism have in modern Ireland. And yes my grandfather fought for Irish freedom, and yes my other grandfather fought in the First World War. Am I not then to be considered a true Irishman?

Well said John O Neill , Both side are acting appalling . Its clear that the marches are inflamatory and are a device of aggitation rather than celebaration but so too is the reaction to the nationalists. Yes they are being provoked , yes some of the photos with irish flags to be burnt are disgusting . but move on, be bigger . The world has moved on . Millions of people are worried about their jobs , putting food on the table and not about fools on boths sides burning cars . The truth is that both sides have far more in common than not , neither are religious in the true sense, both communities are effected with the same socials issues and they channel their angst at each other through what is now illogical hatred . There is no doubt that catholics were treated as second class citizens and humans right was a massive issue,but by and large those issues are thankfully in the past . The orange order are an anoachornism , they are a joke outsdie of the north , time for all to get on with it now and we dont ahave to condone our stupid and pointless violence form either side to assert our irishness.

Tensing, I think you’re missing the point. These photos, and also comments such as yours and John O’Neill’s comment above about people from Northern Ireland show that this is not in the past.

They are all the same up there but people down here are too blinkered and excuse nationalists while making wild generalisations about the oo/unionists/Protestants

Instead of recognise I presume you mean organise?

The Only official bonfire is the lundy day one done by the apprentice boys, most bonfires are run and organised by kids though there will be Orangemen at them the order has nothing to do with where they are set up or what gets put on them

Really? Are you really going to show yourself as being so ignorant? Idiot.

A real union jack comment…

A real orange comment…

Ok then, spray them with lemonade canons. Send hem home wet & sticky. No one likes to be sticky.

lol, great idea! or a honey and feather cannon.

Why spray them with lemonade cannons? Fizzy orange would disperse them quicker….

It infuriates me when I see the Irish language being used to bully and stand for reason to fight, it’s not 1916, those words are meaningless now. Grow up.

These are the words of an armchair republican.

As an Irish patriot you should learn how to spell.

Pierce2020

you are a very sad person correcting my spelling. Also I did spell properly fyi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unYlBWWZtDA

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Yeh down here is full of Junkies and drunkards.

Salad nice Irish name

Deborah – couldn’t agree more. If we could excise it, and let it drift aimlessly towards the North Pole, it would be great. They’ve had the benefit of English treasury money for years, and Irish Republican money. They’ve had it really good, for far too long for this crap to be still going on.

Yes, we wouldn’t want anything to burst our middle class bubbles.

Heritage that’s built on hatred of a specific group should be respected? Looking through our heritage and history, I’d be very glad if most of it was left behind/banned and forgotten. Why is it that schools are still segregated by religion both North and South?

Not entirely true. In NI there are quite a few Integrated schools and in the South there are increasing numbers of Educate Together. Parental demands dictates numbers in schools.