Agreed. Why on earth is a nurse going to stay here and be treated like rubbish when they can go anywhere else and be respected for the wealth of knowledge they bring with them.

Success for who exactly? The patients that we are supposed to believe they all so dearly looooovvvveeee. Nonsense. They are like the rest of us, in it for the money, plain as.

Maybe they don’t all want to leave here James, I’m speaking from experience!

Joan, that as the case may be, nurses work for little as it is. I wouldn’t imagine too many will hang around if the best employment they can get is a temporary contract at 80% of the salary.
Not that I’d know Joan, considering that I’m not a nurse and I don’t see student nurses or new nurses every day of the week…! Oh wait…!

Joan is right James some nurses and midwives want or have to stay in Ireland so there may well be uptake on these jobs we need to be realistic. Not every nurse wants to or can leave Ireland I know you and I and many others did and do but emigration is not for everyone.

Cliodhna, I’d go further and say most want to stay. I never wanted to leave, and had I been able to get work here I wouldn’t have (most likely). As regards these jobs being taken, I agree, most likely they will be taken, and most likely it will be by people who feel they have no other choice but to stay for whatever reason.
I’d argue however that emigrating is most likely on the cards for most new nurses, and that will most likely be the case until the HSE treats them like they deserve, you know, like nurses.
I’d also argue that there is no harm in emigrating – I think it can be the making of someone, experiencing different cultures, different ways of doing things. Anyways, that’s neither here nor there I guess!

I don’t disagree with anything you are saying James in fact I agree 100%. However some will take up the jobs because it gives them and their families a secure weekly income for two years that is all I’m saying we need to be realistic.

Chris will you tell me where the jobs are for 43,000 starting off. I’m qualified 20 years, I don’t get that much as basic gross pay and I’m top of the scale with a long service increment and specialist qualification allowance.

Chris people have to be allowed to make up their own minds your starting to sound like a nit of a bully. Thay can’t their not listening. Its their choice. You or i don’t know what their personal cercumstances are. You have your own agenda .thats fine. But yiu are getting border line fir cyber bullying

They’re not turning down these jobs. They have jobs that pay the full rate and then some. Those that don’t have a job are leaving. By the bucket load.

It would be very interesting to find out how many are on the dole Jim! I don’t know of any, all that I know who qualified in the last couple of years are currently working in the HSE on short term contracts or as agency, bravely resisting those who are trying to bully them into taking this paycut. The HSE says these are new jobs and the contracts of 2012 graduates were terminated at the end of January because they were being replaced by the new intern students who will graduate in 2013 (my year), but strangely enough there contracts have been extended due to the 1000 “graduate initative” positions not yet being filled!

So here’s the hard facts that the HSE are not including in their press releases. Most of the nurses in question are currently working for the HSE on the correct wages, making this a PAY CUT. Many of the nurses being targeted in this campaign have 3.5 years experience working as a nurse and as such do not NEED an “internship”. They would have worked for 1.5 years on the wards as part of their honours degree, and a further two years as a Registered Nurse or Midwife. Now do you see why no one is taking these jobs?

Well Jim,with the grand total of 3 tweets to your name and they are connected to this post and the style of jibe is quite familiar…
Hmmmmm.

Your comment is a disgrace, these nurses and midwives are Professionals being treated in the most unprofessional manner. The HSE and Mr Reilly are degrading the nursing profession by offering these contracts and insulting all nurses and midwives in the process.

My comment above is in reply to jim foley.

getting 22k as a starting position and gaining valuable experience isnt that bad a deal most people who work in private industry are not getting any higher after a four year degree

Nurses and midwives are ESSENTIAL to the running of the health service. They work long unsociable hours, days, nights and weekends, they do not get bonuses and other corporate benefits of the private sector. There is NO comparison to the private sector. Therefore your point has NO baring whatsoever in this argument.

I accept they work the additional hours but are they paid for those additional hours unlike the pruvate sector do you beleive if u start as an under grad in a private company u work a 9- 5 job

I am not suggest slave labour it is a process to reduce cost in a department which is out of control do u beleive it is better to pay taxes to educate people to then be happy to watch them leave with no work experience I am not under valuing the work done by nurses etc entry point in uk is 17.6k to 21.3k with london allowance

Jim Foley
You are part of the problem . I wish you a long and healthy life where you will never need the training and expertise of these nurses. Well done sir ,you too have reached a new level.

Firstly, as I said, nursing is not comparable with any role in the private sector. Secondly, a band 5 in the UK is the same as a junior staff nurse and starting salary is a pittance of €24k, plus London waiting, source RCN. The nurses is the UK work even harder with a bigger nurse to patient ratio, they have their own issues with cuts to salaries and pensions. I would hate to see Ireland go they same way as the UK. Well done to the INMO for continuing the boycott.

God bless free speech

@ Jim
Nurses and midwives cannot claim the dole for some reason I know of nurses and midwives who have applied and been refused it.
But if your anxious to cut dole payments why not start with long term dole recipients who take home more every week than some people in full time employment.

See Chris’s comment below on why this does not represent new posts that weren’t there before. I also know this to be true as a friend who graduated two years ago and has worked in the same hospital on the same cancer ward since as an agency nurse has been told her contract is not being renewed – she is however eligible to apply for the ‘graduate’ nursing jobs where she would continue to do her job but on a much lower salary. The entire situation is ridiculous and people making uninformed comments does nothing to help.

Additionally did it ever cross your mind that those who take up these posts may do so out of desperation or because they do not have the ability to leave Ireland rather than that it suits them to work the same job for lower pay???

CABK, you should work for INMO. You’d do a far better job than the current outfit! Good on you!

Haha. I’m afraid that would never happen. My sister is a nurse and we both agree that I would probably last, at most, an hour in the job without throwing up/fainting/starting to cry! I think its for this reason I comment on these threads so much as alot of people are being derogatory towards nurses. I know I couldn’t do it, it definitely takes a special type of person to nurse and to be a good nurse. Which is what makes the pay cuts and these schemes even more unfair!

Rubbish talk Simon. Ill say no more because you hardly deserve a reply.

@ Seamus. Brilliantly argued. I must remember that trick next time I’m in a debate.

“Permanent pensionable work”. It is neither permanent nor pensionable.
“These people should be denied SW if they turn these jobs down”. “These people” are not turning down these jobs, they’re not applying for them because of “these people” are in employment with agencies. Also, “these people” cannot claim SW for some unknown daft reason.
The rest of your comment is just general ignorance so you can just sit there in you nurse hating ignorance Simon. Have a good weekend.