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What should the government do about sick pay? Here’s three suggestions

The government has made it clear that it isn’t happy to keep footing the bill for employee sick pay – so we’ve asked Sinn Féin, TASC and IBEC what they think should be done about it.

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THE ISSUE OF who should cover the cost of employee sick pay is a thorny one.

Many people were surprised earlier this year when Minister for Social Protection Joan Burton first mentioned that the State pays for employee sick leave.

The Minister used two main facts when she began discussing the issue of sick pay: firstly, that the number of people claiming illness and disability payments has risen by 40 per cent in the past ten years – and secondly, the amount the State has to spend on sickness benefit has almost tripled to €876 million over the same period.

Since then, the Minister has made it clear that it’s one of the things that she wants to target in next week’s Budget, with reports suggesting that the government plans to make companies liable for the first two weeks of an employee’s sick leave, with the State picking up the tab for anything longer than that.

Needless to say, not everyone is happy with the suggestion – not least some other members of the government. But what are the alternatives? We’ve asked three people – Sinn Féin TD Aengus Ó Snódaigh, head of think-tank TASC Nat O’Connor, and Brendan McGinty, the head of IBEC. Here’s what they suggested.

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Brendan McGinty, Aengus Ó Snodaigh and Nat O’Connor

“This is a cutback dressed up to look like a positive development” – Aengus Ó Snodaigh, Sinn Féin.

Social Protection Minister Joan Burton’s statutory sick pay proposal is an €89 million cutback dressed up to look like a positive development for workers.

“The minister proposes to transfer an €89 million burden from her department onto employers without taking account of their ability to pay and ignoring the fact that employers and employees both pay into the social insurance fund with a reasonable expectation that it will pay out when needed.

We all know that many businesses are struggling to stay afloat. The live register figures tell us that many have failed. If the minister pushes ahead with her sick pay proposals many more will be pushed over the edge costing even more jobs.

“At a time when small and medium sized businesses are struggling for their very survival it is incomprehensible that the government would heap yet another financial burden on their shoulders without even the slightest concern for their ability to pay or for the jobs they are putting at risk.

“Sinn Féin has an alternative proposal that takes account of the employers’ ability to pay and of the economic consequences of getting this proposal wrong.

“We propose to raise the employers’ PRSI contribution made on pay exceeding €100,000 to 15.75%, which would raise €91.5 million.

It would target businesses which can afford to pay some workers €100,000 or sums in excess of that. At 10.5 per cent, the standard employer PRSI rate is very low by international standards.

“In Austria the rate is 21.6 per cent, in Belgium 34.5 per cent, Finland 23 per cent, Sweden 31.4 per cent, France 40 per cent on the first €100,000 and Italy 32 per cent on the first €90,000.

Many businesses are struggling but some are not. As with all taxes, it is those who can afford to pay more that should be asked to do so.

“I think any business that continues to pay wages in excess of €100,000 to individuals can hardly be described as struggling and can demonstrably afford to contribute a little more.”

“The norm in the rest of the EU is for employers to contribute – why should Ireland be different?” – Nat O’Connor, TASC

“The first thing to note is that the government’s proposal for employers to cover some sick pay costs is not an unreasonable demand at this time. The social insurance fund ran dry in 2010 and, as a result, we had to put around one and a half billion euro from tax revenue into the fund in 2011 and we will have to top it up again this year, which is a major problem.

Part of the reason why the fund is running low – and why welfare entitlements here in Ireland are generally low – is because we pay a low level of social insurance. Irish levels of social insurance are less than half the EU average – just 5.8 per cent of GDP compared to 12.7 per cent in 2010, according to Eurostat.

“In total, Ireland has the lowest social insurance rates in Europe. When you look at the specific contribution made by employees and employers, employees contributions were 83 per cent of the European average level of social insurance in 2010 – but employers’ contributions were incredibly low: just 3.2 per cent of GDP compared to an EU average of 7.3 per cent. That is, employers’ contributions in Ireland are around 44 per cent of the EU average. The norm in the rest of the EU is for employers to contribute a lot more towards social insurance than in Ireland.

Lower social insurance rates means that labour costs are lower as a result, but it also means that there’s less money in the social insurance fund – hence it’s not unreasonable for employers to pay more costs directly, like sick leave, rather than draw from the fund.

“For this budget, TASC has proposed increasing employers’ PRSI, but only on employee salaries over €100,000. A third band introduced at 15 per cent wouldn’t reduce people’s take home pay but could raise nearly 78 million per annum for the social insurance fund.

“TASC would like to see self-employed people brought into the loop so they would contribute more to the fund but also be entitled to receive full benefits, as everyone should have the basic safety net of the social insurance system. The lack of benefits right now can make people afraid to set up in business as self-employed.

We need a national debate on the future of social insurance. Too much emphasis in the current economic crisis is on balancing the state’s finances, but there’s not enough of a focus on the model of social insurance system we want to have at the end of the day.

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“This is the last thing the economy needs” – Brendan McGinty, IBEC

“The planned €3.5 billion adjustment in the budget is about right, given the gap between what the Government is spending and taking in, but it needs to be done in way least damaging to growth and job creation. The focus must be on cutting expenditure, not raising taxes.

“Any increase in labour costs, through the introduction of a statutory sick pay scheme, would make companies less likely to take on new staff and would push already struggling firms out of business. It would reduce Ireland’s attractiveness as an investment location and undermine hard won competitiveness gains of recent years.

OECD research suggests that an increase in taxes on labour of 1 per cent reduces an economy’s employment rate by about 0.4 per cent. Based on this calculation a statutory sick pay scheme would cost at least 3,500 jobs, both directly and indirectly, in the economy.

“A recent IBEC survey further highlights the very damaging consequences should the Government choose to proceed with the proposal. Almost half (49 per cent) of the 450 respondents with an occupational sick pay scheme said such a move would affect their company’s ability to recruit new employees; a similar number (47 per cent) said it would affect their ability to retain existing staff; and 42 per cent said it would affect the sustainability of their business in Ireland.

It should also be remembered that employees and employers already make obligatory PRSI contributions to support social welfare provision. Employers alone pay €5 billion a year into the Social Insurance Fund, which is 75 per cent of the total fund.

“Adding to employment costs at a time when many businesses are struggling is the last thing the economy needs.”

Poll: Should employers be liable for sick pay? >

Read: Statutory sick pay ‘could threaten 42 per cent of businesses’ – IBEC >

Read: Sinn Féin launches altnernative budget, say “Government still have choices” >

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Comments (30 Comments)

  • OU812 01/12/12 #

    Someone remind me what PRSI is for again?

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  • We pay PRSI for the eventually that we get dick and are unable to work ! And since when do the government pay sick pay ! Sick pay is paid from PRSI contributions , received from taxpayers of this country . The way Joan Burton is going on about it tit

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  • Pretty simple I would’ve thought. If you work you get paid. If you work a bit harder you get paid a bit better. If you don’t work you don’t get paid. If you cannot work the state looks after you.
    If as a country we all work together we all get paid. The common denominator here is work! Less sponging from the state i.e the tax payer and there will be more money to go the those that really need it.

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  • if you work and pay PRSI….then you deserve sickpay….the system is fine….if its open to abuse then the system is not at fault but the people running it are….

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  • @Martin The less the State has to pay out to people who’ve already contributed through their social insurance the more money the State will have to help the most vulnerable in society: the banks.

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    • I take your point Andrew. However it’s in most people’s nature to want to work. Sick leave is being abused in a big way and is seen as part of holidays. Genuine sick leave is a whole other story but expecting employers to carry the cost is not on. Bank employees are probably feeling the sickest of all.

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  • Sorry did not finish my point !
    The way Joan Burton goes out about it suggests the government is paying sick pay out of their own individual pockets ! They don’t . We pay PRSI ( insurance) to protect ourselves against times when we fall sick !
    So hands off it Joan !!

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  • I would have thought that seen as we work hard all year round paying plenty of tax, the least the government can do is give a little back when we are sick for gods sake..
    lower paid people who are better off on dole but work for pride and a possible opportunity will have to consider their position.

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  • i employ. 30 people in the catering trade . every week end 3or 4 call in sick . yes. its a great idea and a sure way for me to go. out of business . any other ideas to but more people on. the dole. are welcome

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  • No pay for the first 3 weeks ! Sick pay is totally abused . I was talking with an employee about holidays recently and he said ” well I have only 3 days holiday left but I still have my 5 sick days ” …. I rest my case ….

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    • So you want to tar everyone with the same brush, get real..

      There are procedures and mechanisms for dealing with repeat pattern offenders/chancers.
      Employers need a two tiered policy if anything, where if you exploit the system you get moved onto a more closely monitored stricter arrangement. (separating the few bad eggs).

      That way someone who is a good employee and genuinely ill does not get harassed needlessly.

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  • Gas when the EU is forcing Irish businesses to take responsibility for their staff and come a little in to line with the rest of the EU businesses freak out.

    People should look at all the countries that are bailing us out, just imagine the difference that a country like Holland with half our unemployment, a strong economy etc, and it gives fathers 26 weeks paternal leave a year, pays the mothers 100% of salary for 4 months.

    People and SME’s are being shafted royally in this country, always have been, and sadly due to low expectation always will be.

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  • And if some people abuse the privilege of sick payI would suggest that these people are in the minority . There are a lot of people in this country who have to take time off for genuine illness or accidents !

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  • How about a compromise? If your genuinely sick with a cert you get your pay to a limit of say 2/3 for a limited number of weeks in the year, unvouched sick pay (one or two days without cert) or limited enforced leave for family emergencies and the like could then be half pay. If people are genuinely sick or need time off they shouldn’t have to suffer so badly or be punished for it, if their taking the piss only getting half pay or no pay after a few days will get them back to work pretty fast.

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  • You don’t work, you don’t get paid!!

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  • Employers should definately pay, and it should for week 2 and 3. there should be no sick pay for the first week. If the employee was liable for the first week, and the employee for the next two weeks and the state takes it up thereafter, you would get proper monitoring of absenteism.

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  • Simple solution that should save 89 million a year . Fine doctors that give out sick certs to employees that are not sick.then the might be a little more cautious handing out sick notes like confetti which cost employers and tax payers a fortune.

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  • I have an idea!
    (a) cut sick pay to 75% of salary.
    (b) restrict sick pay to 6 months in a 5 year period and
    (c) share the burden by having the employer, the state and the employee equally contribute to an approved sick pay scheme.
    In the event of a longer illness? Let the state through PRSI contributions deal with same.

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